[the macimum]

This is in my opinion, but the iPod was made for music, sure there are perks, like pictures or videos but those arent what the iPod was originally designed for. My sister just got the video iPod, 30 gig, it was shiny, that is nice, but I gotta tell you, she has a library of about 2 gigs of music, and 38 Gigs of videos of her and her friends and photos. This is why i think the new ipods are so cheap. People think that when you are updating music, USB isn't much slower than F400, sure, when its music, but it took friggen' 7.5 hours to fill that thing up with pics. My Brother got his nano, thats nice, its shiney too, but if you drop it once, its dead. He's the type that has taken it back so many times he's gone back to his 1st gen , F400 and for the most part, can handle shock!!

But my friends, thats not why I am here, I own a 4 gig mini, the applecare protection plan expired a while ago ( way more than 2 years old)...I am using F800 wit the Dr. Bott cable!! Sure, its not shiny, and its capacity is on the weak side. But here is where I think it doesnt matter. I went to a track meet, I sit on the top seat of the bleachers, probably 20 feet off the ground. I put the iPod down, while it was still playing, and someone pushed my bag into it, knocking it off the edge! I ran down to retrive it, surely thinking it was dead, it was off. There was probably a .5 inch dent in the corner, I turned it on, I saw the apple symbol, it remembered the exact moment of the exact song I was listening to. I have no problems with it now. Thats my point of how crappy the new iPods are getting, you try that with the nano, if it isn't in little pieces on the ground..

[mdc]

I wonder what would happen if you put the mini through the laundry.

Personally, I was never crazy about the look of the mini, and I never had any issues with my nano.

[mduell]

30GB in 7.5 hours is about 9Mbps... sounds like you're using USB1 instead of USB2.

The nano should be more shock resistant than the mini since it has no moving parts, while the mini has a spinning hard drive with delicate little read arms.

[apattee]

I have a 4gig mini with 2 years left on Applecare and a 1gig nano with 3 years left, and i'd take the nano over the mini anyday.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by the macimum

My sister just got the video iPod, 30 gig, it was shiny, that is nice, but I gotta tell you, she has a library of about 2 gigs of music, and 38 Gigs of videos of her and her friends and photos. This is why i think the new ipods are so cheap.

What?

People think that when you are updating music, USB isn't much slower than F400, sure, when its music, but it took friggen' 7.5 hours to fill that thing up with pics.

As stated above, this is only possible if you're using USB1. USB2 is about as fast as firewire.

My Brother got his nano, thats nice, its shiney too, but if you drop it once, its dead. He's the type that has taken it back so many times he's gone back to his 1st gen , F400 and for the most part, can handle shock!!

I think you'll find that the nano is surprisingly sturdy.

[the macimum]

Originall Posted by mduell: The nano should be more shock resistant than the mini since it has no moving parts, while the mini has a spinning hard drive with delicate little read arms.


What? Are you sure? I always thought the Nano had a HD!

[the macimum]

Originally Posted by: icruise

As stated above, this is only possible if you're using USB1. USB2 is about as fast as firewire.

http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-vs-usb.htm: That doesnt seem about the same to me..

[the macimum]

Sorry screwd up the link... http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-vs-usb.htm

[the macimum]

Originally Posted by : icruise

I think you'll find that the nano is surprisingly sturdy.


Really? beause in that same link, you will find this:

To simulate everyday accidents that could result in a broken iPod, we came up with a few situations that we felt would ultimately leave the nano lifeless:

Sitting on the iPod nano
Dropping it while jogging (4-6mph),
Dropping at various speeds: 8-10mph (slow bicycle), 15-20mph (fast bicycle), 30mph (slow car), and 50mph (fast car)
Dropping the nano from various heights.

[chabig]

Originally Posted by the macimum

What? Are you sure? I always thought the Nano had a HD!

Surely you jest! The Nano is 100% solid state--no moving parts.

Chris

[icruise]

Originally Posted by the macimum

Originally Posted by : icruise

I think you'll find that the nano is surprisingly sturdy.


Really? beause in that same link, you will find this:

To simulate everyday accidents that could result in a broken iPod, we came up with a few situations that we felt would ultimately leave the nano lifeless:

Sitting on the iPod nano
Dropping it while jogging (4-6mph),
Dropping at various speeds: 8-10mph (slow bicycle), 15-20mph (fast bicycle), 30mph (slow car), and 50mph (fast car)
Dropping the nano from various heights.

So... Did you actually read the article? The point is that the nano stood up to all of those things! It wasn't until they threw it 40 feet into the air onto concrete that it finally died completely.

And yes, USB 2 is about the same as firewire for the purposes of the iPod. I've done tests myself. Firewire is a bit faster, but it's hardly the hours and hours you made it out to be. And a hard drive in a nano? I'm sorry, it's hard to take you seriously after that.

[eevyl]

Originally Posted by the macimum

This is in my opinion, but the iPod was made for music, sure there are perks, like pictures or videos but those arent what the iPod was originally designed for. My sister just got the video iPod, 30 gig, it was shiny, that is nice, but I gotta tell you, she has a library of about 2 gigs of music, and 38 Gigs of videos of her and her friends and photos.

I think you have mistaken the nano for the iPod video, there is no iPod nano of 30GB ...

iPod nano has not a hardrive, it's flash based.

[the macimum]

I only research things that I feel are worth it.

[the macimum]

And icruise, i'm not talking about firewire 400 and USB, I use my mini with 800. Dont believe me its fine, have you even owned a Mini? http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/dock800/

[volcano]

Originally Posted by Icruise

I think you'll find that the nano is surprisingly sturdy.

I was about to link to the same article.

"Surely, we thought, it could never withstand the crushing power of German automotive engineering."

Oh, but it did!

Originally Posted by the macimum

Really? beause in that same link, you will find this:

To simulate everyday accidents that could result in a broken iPod, we came up with a few situations that we felt would ultimately leave the nano lifeless:

Sitting on the iPod nano
Dropping it while jogging (4-6mph),
Dropping at various speeds: 8-10mph (slow bicycle), 15-20mph (fast bicycle), 30mph (slow car), and 50mph (fast car)
Dropping the nano from various heights.

Originally Posted by the macimum

I only research things that I feel are worth it.

So you didn't read the article because you didn't feel it was "worth" researching - after you presented an argument against the Nano to begin with? If you weren't looking for a rebuttal, then you shouldn't have presented this argument in the first place.

[UNTeMac]

Give him a break...he's only 14.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by the macimum

And icruise, i'm not talking about firewire 400 and USB, I use my mini with 800. Dont believe me its fine, have you even owned a Mini? http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/dock800/

The mini is not compatible with firewire 800. This means that while you can use a cable to connect your mini to a firewire 800 port, you do not get firewire 800 speeds by doing so. Note that the product page says nothing about increased speed -- just that you can use your firewire 800 port because firewire 400 ports are "at a premium."

[icruise]

Look, no one here is going to argue that the mini is bad. It's a great little music player and it does have some advantages over the nano. It's just that you haven't really mentioned them yet. For example, the matte aluminum casing is far more resistant to scratching than the nano's shiny metal and plastic surface. It comes in higher capacities than the nano and comes in more colors as well. And yes, I would say that being compatible with firewire is an advantage as well, not so much because firewire is markedly faster than USB 2 (because it isn't really that much faster in practice) but because firewire is a better technology in my opinion, and it's included on far more Macs than USB2. It also allows you to boot off of the iPod, which the nano and subsequent iPods can't do (to my knowledge).

[the macimum]

I respect you and your argument, I am sorry for not reading the article fully, I am sure it would have been a lot easier for you to explain the problem as well as how much my side of the argument actually made sense. I have read the article fully, and now, understand the advantages and disadvantages of the mini and nano. And now understand that they do, I apologize for my foolish behavior before, i'm just really upset about my G5, lol. However, I am very sure the Mini is compatable with firewire 800.

[the macimum]

P.S. ,I just thought it was cool that the mini still worked after the fall

[analogika]

Of course the mini is compatible with FW 800 - the reason being that, technically, it's actually FW 800 that is DOWNwards-compatible with the FW 400 used on the mini.

You are NOT getting FW 800 speeds. Data transfer would be EXACTLY the same speed if you just hooked it up to a Firewire 400 port.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by the macimum

I only research things that I feel are worth it.

Please apply the same criteria to your posting habits.

Thank you.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by analogika

Of course the mini is compatible with FW 800 - the reason being that, technically, it's actually FW 800 that is DOWNwards-compatible with the FW 400 used on the mini.

You are NOT getting FW 800 speeds. Data transfer would be EXACTLY the same speed if you just hooked it up to a Firewire 400 port.

Which is exactly what I am saying. Perhaps "compatible" is the wrong word, but the point is that using firewire 800 gives you no speed bonus versus firewire 400. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the microdrive used inside the mini was the main thing limiting transfer speeds, not the way it is connected.

[analogika]

I know that's what you were saying.

I was rephrasing it, as he didn't appear to get it the first time.

[the macimum]

Damnit!! I paid 20 bucks for that stupid 800 cable!

[analogika]

Sorry about that.

Worth researching, though.

[production_coordinator]

Originally Posted by the macimum

I only research things that I feel are worth it.

Originally Posted by the macimum

Damnit!! I paid 20 bucks for that stupid 800 cable!

Your research would have been worth $20

[lenox]

*reads thread*

So, the macimum...i'll sell you my fw1600 cable for $35...that's a pretty sweet deal!

[i<3myiBookg4]

I have a 4 GB pink iPod mini and use it in my car with the cigarette lighter adapter, I only have a radio in my car and I love it.

I was thinking of getting a Nano, but wasn't sure, I haven't even seen one in person yet (I only saw one other Mini besides mine, it was blue)... but I don't really need the Nano. I have an iPod Shuffle too, I gave it to my mom, got it free from the bank... but I am really pleased with the Mini.

I got it last year in March, and it's been through a lot of dropping, has some scratches and that's it... I thought for sure it would stop working in my care, but it's wonderful! I got it from the Easter Bunny last year along with my iBook.

[the macimum]

Originally Posted by UNTeMac

Give him a break...he's only 14.

Uhm, lets keep that down please...

[genericlusters]

Yeah my own mini survived a couple of hard falls. However, it didn't quite survive the last one ...it was a hard earned gift too...I spent like half a year trying to work toward it...

I'm now stuck with this 512mb shuffle I got for free off some site

[the macimum]

I like the shuffle, it's small, and unlike the nano, you can actually forget your wearing it. (Because of the weight)