[Eug]

It would seem turtle777's sarcasmatron is a little more sensitive.

[osiris]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Guys, it seems your sarcasm detectors aren't working very well. Or perhaps my sarcasm emissions were too low to detect...
P.S. Osiris, I generally don't like torturing small furry animals. Just MacNN members.

[g.c.]

... damnit I was too excited to see the sarcasm....

[freudling]

Hey turtle777, how did you know I hexxed Eug's account! Ha!

[veggieburger]

Thnx frdmfghtr for the info......as a neophyte, I waded into this hypertech forum with trepidation! Perhaps I was not clear.....as I am aware of the 4 freqs......but my personal use includes using ATT @ home and SIMS from foreign providers while traveling. ATT tech 'speculated' I'd be able to do this with by out-of-the-box iphone. Apple tech said 'no way'. I do not believe either. I've always had to unlock any Cingular-locked phone B4 being able to accomplish this. I'm assuming I can eventually unlock my iphone. I get confirmation from this thread. I may not be able to access some features while traveling.....but.......

[MacTheKnife]

Forgive me if this was posted already, but I went through the whole thread but couldn't find anything. What do you think of this outfit:

Unlock Your Apple iPhone - iPhoneUnlocking

What do you folks think? I heard it worked for someone who tried it.

[MacTheKnife]

Never mind!

[LeeG]

The IMEI number is printed on the back of the phone.

L

[g.c.]

Originally Posted by MacTheKnife 

Forgive me if this was posted already, but I went through the whole thread but couldn't find anything. What do you think of this outfit:

Unlock Your Apple iPhone - iPhoneUnlocking

What do you folks think? I heard it worked for someone who tried it.

It's been posted a couple of times. I gave them my email Friday night and still have recieved nothing. Also their "iPhones Unlocked" counter is gone from their site. Something tells me that it's not the real deal, even though someone on eBay claiming to have an unlocked iPhone told me to go to that site to get my iPhone unlocked. I'm waiting until I see proof.

As for the IMEI #, it is on the back of the phone, the back of the box, and under the little "i" prior to activation.

[freudling]

I think this is more legit:

iphoneunlocked

They don't claim to be able to unlock it yet.

[MacTheKnife]

Thanks for the tip. And I'm sorry I ddin't see that URL before. Will not do that again.

And I realized after posting that the IMEI is engraved on the back, DOH!

[mau001]

Here's what I found on the Iphone:- After registration with their sim card you can remove the sim, use the device, on wireless mode to access all the functions, viz. internet, wigets all work and email pop and smtp.
No harm putting in different sim cards, local (USA) and overseas sims...the phone has the same message re wrong sim card....tapping "dismiss" gets you straight to the "wiget interface and as long as you have wireless connections, which can be DHCP or Static, your choice, no problems. Like I said everything, bar the phone, works.
I know nothing about the technical aspect of unlocking etc, however, the "settings" wiget has a phone tab which refers to the sim card "lock" With the overseas sim this screen part is locked, whereas with the AT&T sim, you can access this feature.
For what its worth I hope this info sheds some further light and direction on the "unlocking" and general "usage" of an expensive PDA, if not a phone!

[g.c.]

I think it i will be cracked within the week. There are teams in Europe and North America working hard on it. Something new comes out everyday.

[Eug]

I agree that it will likely be cracked sooner rather than later. However, what worries me is how long the crack will last. The iTunes factor adds a whole new level of complexity to the crack. While, not the same thing, it reminds me of the DRM for iTunes songs. It is periodically cracked, and then the crack is rendered useless when iTunes is updated. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[g.c.]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Ya I think the same thing might happen. The good news it though you don't have to update the phone or iTunes if you don't want to.

Exactly what I was thinking. You just don't update iTunes until the next iTunes crack comes out. I'm fine with that!

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I agree that it will likely be cracked sooner rather than later. However, what worries me is how long the crack will last. The iTunes factor adds a whole new level of complexity to the crack. While, not the same thing, it reminds me of the DRM for iTunes songs. It is periodically cracked, and then the crack is rendered useless when iTunes is updated. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Ya I think the same thing might happen. The good news it though you don't have to update the phone or iTunes if you don't want to.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Ya I think the same thing might happen. The good news it though you don't have to update the phone or iTunes if you don't want to.

Well, it depends. Sometimes when you don't update iTunes, you can't buy anything off the store IIRC. I presume these mandatory updates are when there is a required DRM update.

I don't buy much from the store, but I do occasionally.

As for the phone, it's a pain early on not being able to update the phone. I suspect the iPhone won't be really mature until several months from now, and even then, updates will still be desirable for specific fixes, or specific feature upgrades. Cell phones are often very buggy when they are first released, and judging by the reports, the iPhone is no exception.

[shabbasuraj]

I predict anywhere between 2-3 weeks.. before REAL unlocked iPhones with video proof start showing up.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Eug 

As for the phone, it's a pain early on not being able to update the phone. I suspect the iPhone won't be really mature until several months from now, and even then, updates will still be desirable for specific fixes, or specific feature upgrades. Cell phones are often very buggy when they are first released, and judging by the reports, the iPhone is no exception.

Really from what I have been reading the iPhone is remarkable for a 1.0 product with only a few software bugs. They will probably be fixed in 2 weeks.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Really from what I have been reading the iPhone is remarkable for a 1.0 product with only a few software bugs. They will probably be fixed in 2 weeks.

If you consider crashing iPod playback and crashing Safari "only a few software bugs", then OK.

Also, rumours have it that the iPhone will gain some features about the time Leopard rolls around. If true, that would mean that even October might be early in terms of maturity.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Eug 

If you consider crashing iPod playback and crashing Safari "only a few software bugs", then OK.
.

Well you always call every product that comes out "Unusable" until 3 versions later. I wouldn't call safari crashing in some situations "very buggy". I have used Sony smart phones that are beyond "very buggy" and that is coming from a 5 year old OS and a cell manufacturer that has been doing this for over 10 years. You can admit your SE phones roms have been absurdly buggy which is ridiculous considering it isn't a smart phone and 2 experienced companies make them.

"The iPhone is remarkably stable for being the 1.0 release of both the platform and all of its applications."

"it seems is that it is actually missing very little in terms of expected features, which is both odd and somewhat suspicious for a first generation product that not only blazes a trail into a previously uncharted territory of mobile devices, but which is also being delivered by a company with no prior experience in building mobile phones"

"One of the ideas associated with first generation products--and for some reason, particularly those from Apple--is that the first run is always plagued with irritating bugs and sloppily rough edges, so it's always better to wait around for the product to get fixed after a minor revision or two. ..........it doesn't seem to be the case with the iPhone."

AppleInsider | Apple's iPhone: an initial (but in-depth) review [Page 4]

"But let there be no doubt: this first iPhone is an impressively polished product, with none of the haphazardness that we’ve come to associate with anything 1.0."

Macworld: Review: Apple iPhone

[CIA]

I agree it's a very stable product. I've had a few minor Safari crashes with it, and even those are painless, relaunching Safari takes 2 seconds, and it starts to load the page again. No error message, just (as a reviewer put it) "Back to Buisness".


Anyway, back to the thread topic. Now that the unlock wiki was dugg to death, where's the best place to follow the unlocking effort online?

[freudling]

I know the people connected with iphoneunlocked and hackint0sh.org are the ones working away on unlocking it. The iPhone Dev Wiki is another good place to keep checking.

[icruise]

I'd say it's generally pretty stable, but Safari quitting isn't an unusual occurrence either. Still, it handles the crashes very well -- it doesn't affect the phone in general, and if you start up Safari again you're brought back to what you were doing earlier in most cases. I don't want to just give Apple a pass on this issue, since it does crash more often than I would like or would have expected, but it certainly doesn't adversely affect my use of the device.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by freudling 

My source says 3-4 days. They are currently hexxing the firmware.

Ha! Good luck to your sources. The iPhone's OS is not remotely in the same league as the OS's for other smart phones. Whoever believes that they can hack the iPhone in 3-4 days is deluding themselves. If they currently have no idea how the firmware even works, they're months away.

Currently hexing the firmware and they're 3-4 days away. Yeah. Right.

[matty-uk]

I have started a new thread but thought I should add it here. iPod and Wifi work but no functionality yet.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by matty-uk 

I have started a new thread but thought I should add it here. iPod and Wifi work but no functionality yet.

Yeah, even DVD Jon can't get the phone functionality to work yet, which of course, is the main point of the iPhone.

For iPod functionality, I'd rather just pay less and just wait for a widescreen iPod.

Originally Posted by freudling 

Someone is able to do it right now. I just spoke to another guy here and he is getting the unlock codes on Tuesday.

Hmmm...

[Andy8]

Sorry, posted the above link before actually reading the other posts above.

[g.c.]

Isn't DVD Jon's program only for PC's? How about a mac alternative without needing a "known token"? I just want to play with my iPhone even if I can't use the phone features yet.

[digitalgravy]

Right listen up there is one thing you all seem to be forgetting!

the iPhone is built on MAC OSX Technology!

your crummy GSM apps WILL NOT WORK. someone needs to build something in the AppleSource code to have ANY chance of 'unlocking' it.

But then IF and I mean IF they can 'unlock' it then as A LOT of people have said you will loose most of the decent features.
That USB sniffer you were talking about wont actually tell you anything about it will it? I presume you were probably on a Windows XP machine? news flash - Mac OSX is built using a DIFFERENT file format to a windows machine!

My reconing is that the OS of the phone will be built in HSF with a partition for iTunes to add music to will be FAT since Mac cannot write to NTFS.

So good luck trying to 'hack' this one

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by digitalgravy 

R
But then IF and I mean IF they can 'unlock' it then as A LOT of people have said you will loose most of the decent features.

Other than visual voice mail I don't see what else one would lose.

[digitalgravy]

ok fair play i mean i'm just going by what others have said - i'm in the uk i cannot play with one and will have to wait till a reported november date before even seing one in the plasticky flesh.
The whole thing with the protected disk images? surely that just suggests multiple partitions? the closest you're gonna get is to bribe one of the coding architects who worked on it and my guessing is that they will be to proud to even suggest explaining it to anyone else.
why not just wait till it goes elsewhere? i mean you're in the US you have it better than us - you can go with AT&T ok so they may be a bit crappy but then arent all of the mobile networks? When it comes out over here in November there is no mention of a particular company holding the rights to it and there is no AT&T company family member operating in the UK.

So... the longest you'll have to wait will be November.

One last thing.. about the freudling guy who said:

My source says 3-4 days. They are currently hexxing the firmware. I personally never claimed that I actually thought for certain that those guys unlocked the iPhone. But I do not doubt it as much as you. I think they had a early iPhone model leaked from Apple, back in late 2006 and have been working on hacking it for the past 8 months.

1. 3-4 days till what exactly? they look at one? they break it with a hammer? seriously anyone who can reverse engineer something that has taken 3+ years to develop in 3-4 days is a modern day oracle and should be placed under armed guard.
2. hexxing? is that some american term for hacking? only over here it means that they are 'confusing' the firmware. This makes little to no sense.
3. an EARLY IPHONE MODEL? oh was this when you were king of the world? who are you trying to kid? you seriously have no idea
4. back in late 2006? pray tell how exactly did they 'get one'? this is a bit of a long shot here but i'm guessing that the firmware & software and probably even the hardware wasnt actually ready until February or March of THIS year. Secondly to this point, how would they get one IF there was one available? they just sauntered on into Apple Dev workshops had a tour and left with a working iPhone? hmmm...

ps. sacasm radar alert. oooh the irony.

[skitchthg]

Originally Posted by freudling 

Eug:

What are you talking about?

THROUGH THE APPLICATION ON YOUR COMPUTER YOU TAKE CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE PHONE, and can unlock it from there. Any big city will have several cell phone stores who will unlock your phone. I know of one place just down the street that does it for 15 bucks a phone. I saw people lined up in front of the kiosk there the other day.

I have personally got a handful of cell phones unlocked. The application most people use looks like DOS, and a few commands are entered which resets your phone and unlocks it. The last time I did it, the phone was connected to the computer via usb, the firmware data was showing on the screen on the computer that person had in front of them, and he entered 1 command, and then pushed the hard reset button on the phone. The phone was then unlocked. I can use any SIM I want in it.

The point is you can't just unlock the phone yourself, unless you have the software to do it.

As for syncing, I have no idea if that will work after you unlock, although the basics should. Getting contracts with unlocked phones? I have done it before. I have an unlocked Motorola Razr and am using it just fine.

Will you people please stop posting that is SOOOOOO easy to unlock a phone! I't SOOOOO easy to unlock any car too, with a hammer and a screwdriver.

Clumsy ******

[Eug]

OK, we're at the last day of July now and still no hack. The guys don't seem to be very close to one either.

It seems we may be in for quite a wait...

[Visnaut]

Doesn't seem like a full unlock is even the main interest of the dev team anymore. All energy seems to be focused on stabilizing the toolchain and developing native apps. Really cool that they have done so, of course, but it's a shame there isn't at least some progress on unlocking it.

[Eug]

iPhone Reverse Engineering Opens New Door to Total Unlock

Here is how this works: the iPhone's radio communications are handled by the Infineon S-Gold2, an ARM-based chip which also controls the JesusPhone's multimedia abilities. Its low-level functions are handled by the Nucleus Real Time Operating System which, according to iPhone Dev rebel forces, is one of the fronts that could give them a chance to try to "access or disable the lock from within the system." By reverse engineering and documenting Nucleus, hackers have reached another milestone towards freeing the phone from the AT&T network. From here, one of their objectives is to be able to manipulate the baseband's memory, so they can also change communication parameters.

Unlocking the iPhone is still not going to be an easy task, however. This work also shows that the iPhone has two layers now that need to be explored to achieve the total unlocking. First, the one running in the main CPU, the main operating system (Mac OS X). Second, Nucleus running on a secondary chip controlling the access to the baseband's memory. In other words: two doors, two locks, but also one more front to crack this Pandora's Box open.

I'm not optimistic for a crack soon.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by freudling on july 1st 

Someone is able to do it right now. I just spoke to another guy here and he is getting the unlock codes on Tuesday.

So how'd this turn out then?

Originally Posted by freudling on july 1st 

Graymalkin, do you even know what you are talking about?

Indeed.

[freudling]

Super Sim Method? - Page 8 - Hackint0sh

[freudling]

From Hackint0sh (use at your own risk):

Tutorial: "Unlock" your iPhone with SuperSim
Let's start....


U will need::

1. iPhone
2. SIM Reader/Writer (Infinity USB Unlimited, Dynamite Programer(I used this) ,etc...)
3. SilverCard
4. V1 SIM card (U must be able to get Ki number)
5. Download - http://simemu.gsmhosting.net/SIM_EMU_6.01_CFG_v2.1.zip
- http://www.kinforce.com/down/kinforc...rsim/ws109.zip



:reparing your iPhone::

:Jailbreak:

Step 1
MAC - http://www.hacktheiphone.com/iphone_...dding_mac.html
WIN - http://www.hacktheiphone.com/iphone_...g_windows.html

Step 2
For already "fake activated" iPhones ,u need to have the AT&T SIM that it came with iPhone in it to get deactivation to work.

MAC - http://www.hacktheiphone.com/iphone_...intel_mac.html
WIN - http://www.hacktheiphone.com/iphone_...r_windows.html

After this steps U will have an "SuperSim compatible iPhone".


::Getting IMSI,ICCID & Ki number from your SIMs::

Step 1 - Your SIM

1. Put YOUR SIM card in programer
2. Run Woronscan
3. Click on "Tasks" then on "IMSI select" u will get a IMSI number, write it down.
4. Click on "Tasks" then on "Ki search", in pop-up window just click "Search", and wait,Ki extraction has began.(I was waiting for mine 40 min ) When u get it, write it down.

Step 2 - Getting IMSI,ICCID from AT&T SIM card which came with an iPhone

1. Put your AT&T SIM card in programer
2. Click on "Tasks" then on "IMSI select" u will get a IMSI number, write it down.
3. Click on "Tasks" then on "ICC select" u will get a ICCID number, write it down.
4. Close Woronscan
5. Remove SIM from programer

Now U have all "data" to make SuperSim.


::Making SuperSim::

1. Download & extract
http://www.rapi****re.com/files/4693....01_iPhone.rar
1.a Put your Silvercard in programer
2. Run Sim-Emu 6.01 Configurator v2.1
3. Click on Configure tab
4. Click "Read from disk" button
5. Browse to your downloaded Flash&EEPROM files, first double click on SIM_EMU_6.01_iphone.HEX and then double click on SIM_EMU_6.01_iphone_EP.HEX, now they are loaded,positions 0 and 9 are red colored,thats fine.

6. In position 0 , type in YOUR SIM IMSI and Ki, then a AT&T ICCID, for ADN/SMS/FDN# type 161, 15, 4, for SMS Centre type in your carrier SMS center number.

7. Now select position 9, here type only IMSI from AT&T SIM card, NOTHING ELSE!
8. In "Config mode" check "Card" circle button
9. Click on "Write to card" button,when its done, remove card from programer
10. Cutting down a large sim card
11. Power OFF your iPhone
12. Put your SuperSim in iPhone
13. Power ON iPhone, enjoy!
__________________
..::SuperSim Working iPhone in Croatia::..

[analogika]

Freudling, it looks like I owe you an apology.

Sorry man.

If you ever hit Hamburg, I'll buy you a beer.

[freudling]

analogika:

Ok, no problem I guess. There were some guys a few weeks ago doing this super sim thing, but the instructions were not posted, so nobody besides a few techs could really understand it. For me, I am just going to wait it out for the unlock. The Dev team yesterday reached another milestone, one more big step to unlocking. So lets cross our fingers that it comes sooner rather than later.

Latest Progress Report - The iPhone Dev Wiki

[analogika]

Thanks for taking it lightly.

Word to the wise: Don't post with a bad toothache. Grumpiness turns skepticism into ankle-biting.

[wallinbl]

Screw unlocking, just provide push support for Exchange. Not just email, but contacts and calendar as well.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I have a turbosim with 1.0.2 installed and I just updated to 1.1.1.

it was pretty damn easy and didn't require any terminal or anything, just a couple button presses and restarts of the iphone.

[iomatic]

So, apologies if this has been asked, but can AT&T unlock an iPhone (like they've been able to send me the unlock code based on my IMEI for my Treos)?

At all?

Thx

[Cold Warrior]

Originally Posted by iomatic 

So, apologies if this has been asked, but can AT&T unlock an iPhone (like they've been able to send me the unlock code based on my IMEI for my Treos)?

At all?

Thx

No.

[iomatic]

OK, I'll stop polluting the iPod/iPhone threads and get back to my crappy Treo.

[iomatic]

Oh, and can the iPhone be used for DUN?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by iomatic 

Oh, and can the iPhone be used for DUN?

For what?

[mduell]

Tethering... but that would violate AT&T's TOS, so I guess we can't discuss it here (per MacNN forum rules).