[Koralatov]

It looks like the genie is out of the bottle. I was on a forum I frequent, and I saw a link an iPhone application bundle:

Applications directly off the iPhone

(To be used with your new iPod Touch)

Enjoy!

Includes:

Maps App
Calendar App
Mail App
Notes App
Weather App

It's reportedly 100% working on the touch, for now at least. I suspect these apps may suddenly 'break' when the firmware is updated on the touch. However, for the time being, it fixes the iPod touch's two biggest flaws for a lot of people, in that you can now have a fully-functional Calendat.app and also Mail.app.

Question is: when Apple realises that a (probably quite large) chunk of the touch's user-base have got Mail and the non-crippled Calendar on their phoneless iPhone, will they accept that they've probably made a mistake and start offering them legally, or will they simply 'update' the firmware and stop everyone from using them. To be honest, they'd probably be more sensible doing the former; all they'll end up doing is starting an arms-race with hackers if they try and lock-down the touch. It'll end up like the PSP: new firmware, cracked, new firmware, cracked.

Note: Please don't ask me where I found this post, or for a link to the files/post itself. I will not qive you either. You're big enough to find it for yourself, if you so choose. I will not help you pirate software. Also, I am not posting this to encourage others to do so, I am merely posting it to stimulate discussion.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by Koralatov 

It looks like the genie is out of the bottle. I was on a forum I frequent, and I saw a link an iPhone application bundle:

While it's quite likely that the iPod Touch and iPhone use the same binaries (Engadget claims a source inside Apple told them "they use the same d*** binaries"), the problem is there currently exists no way to get applications onto them. Disk mode is not available, so the old trick of mounting the iPod, enabling viewing of hidden files, and then digging around doesn't work - It doesn't show up in /Volumes when syncing. People who have tried using techniques for jailbreaking the iPhone on the iPod Touch have not yet found success - so no one has really been able to confirm or deny in any convincing manner whether iPhone apps really do work on the iPod Touch.

[Koralatov]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

While it's quite likely that the iPod Touch and iPhone use the same binaries (Engadget claims a source inside Apple told them "they use the same d*** binaries"), the problem is there currently exists no way to get applications onto them. Disk mode is not available, so the old trick of mounting the iPod, enabling viewing of hidden files, and then digging around doesn't work - It doesn't show up in /Volumes when syncing. People who have tried using techniques for jailbreaking the iPhone on the iPod Touch have not yet found success - so no one has really been able to confirm or deny in any convincing manner whether iPhone apps really do work on the iPod Touch.

I thought that had been fixed? Wired seems to think it has. Granted, it won't have been tested on the touch, but if it works for the iPhone, and they're as similar as Engadget seems to think...

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by Koralatov 

I thought that had been fixed? Wired seems to think it has. Granted, it won't have been tested on the touch, but if it works for the iPhone, and they're as similar as Engadget seems to think...

Um, what I'm saying is that no one has been able to do this on the iPod Touch yet. It's not exactly the same as the iPhone, in terms of hardware or software. What you linked to is an iPhone installer. No one has been able to hack an iPod Touch using iPhone tools. Engadget is merely speculating like everybody else is.

That being said, once the iPhone Dev Team gets their hands on a touch, it'll only be a matter of time before it happens.

[Koralatov]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

Um, what I'm saying is that no one has been able to do this on the iPod Touch yet. It's not exactly the same as the iPhone, in terms of hardware or software. What you linked to is an iPhone installer. No one has been able to hack an iPod Touch using iPhone tools. Engadget is merely speculating like everybody else is.

That being said, once the iPhone Dev Team gets their hands on a touch, it'll only be a matter of time before it happens.

Sorry. I misread your post and got a tad confused. I didn't realise that you couldn't use the iPhone installer to pop things onto your iPod touch. Thanks for clarifying that, though.

As you say, though, it is only a matter of time...