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rogersmiff497 · Jul 17, 2006, 11:36 PM

I want to run XP. I have a G4 Ibook @ 1.33Ghz, 1.25 gig ram, plaeantly of disk space. Do any of you think this is possible via emulation(VPC etc...)? Has anyone tried it with an ibook that has similar specs?

jokell82 · Jul 17, 2006, 11:49 PM

You can run it in VPC, but it is quite slow (think 500mhz p3, maybe even slower).

uicandrew · Jul 17, 2006, 11:49 PM

you can run xp, but not using boot camp or parallels. there is a piece of software called "Virtual PC" made by Microsoft. (this is not the same virtual pc that has advertised as being free in recent days)

virtual pc can run xp, but it is much slower. you have to buy virtual pc, as well as a copy of windows xp. it can be home or professional edition. it doesn't matter. i've used it on a powerbook with 1.25 ghz and 1gb ram. and it worked ok.

and in the future, having a more specific thread title would be more helpful. instead of "urgent question" you could phrase it as "questions about xp on ibook"

good luck

f1000 · Jul 18, 2006, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by rogersmiff497

I want to run XP. I have a G4 Ibook @ 1.33Ghz, 1.25 gig ram, plaeantly of disk space. Do any of you think this is possible via emulation(VPC etc...)? Has anyone tried it with an ibook that has similar specs?

It'll run on VPC, but you'll want to turn off all the eye candy.

gooser · Jul 18, 2006, 12:53 AM

smiff, yer lucky you didn't say you NEEDED to run xp. hope not for games by jove.

TheoCryst · Jul 18, 2006, 01:03 AM

Yeah, games are a 100% no-go on VPC. It'll run certain apps, like Internet Explorer and MS Office, but poorly. If you need anything more than bare-bones features from the OS, you're better off buying a bargain-bin PC.

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 01:07 AM

yes i suppose I should have been more specific, in regards to my title, and in the futuer I will be. Sorry. I am just dying to know how good or bad xp will run on my mac, I just bought it a little while ago and I am dissapointed that I couldn;t afford a mac book pro and have been looking to wreap the advantages of mac pro on my ibook g4 1.33GHZ...LOL... I know it will run a little slow, but when u say slow do u mean slllllloooooowwwwwww, how good or bad can i anticipate the performace of xp on my mac to be. So again if anyone has tried running xp on an ibook with similar specs please let me know how good or bad the performance was. (obviously I dont want to play games, I can hardly play games with the 32 m video card that comes standard in this model of ibook- no more hope u don;t want to play games posts please)

Thanks guys.

gooser · Jul 18, 2006, 01:17 AM

smiff--------you still didn't say what you wanted to run on xp.

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 02:20 AM

so I can have the best of both worlds, why else? I like mac(love tiger) but I also like xp & vista. I also require a lot of weird softeare that is meant for xp, statistical, math, productions ops ..... so that is why. SO any advice or comments one the functionality of xo on this particular g4 1.33Ghz 1 gig ram ????????

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 02:24 AM

my ibook is in perfect shape and purchased not that long ago with 779 days of apple care left on it. I may just sell it on ebay and use the proceeds to buy a macbook. I think I can get almost enough cash from the sale of my ibook, as well as a nano 4 gig to purchase a macbook(an take advantage of the free ipod mac is offering now). This is my only other alternative, other than of course running an inferior version of windows. Any advice?

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 02:26 AM

it is funny how obsolescence can, so quickly, change your perceptions of your dream machine. hahahahahhahahahhahaah.......

analogika · Jul 18, 2006, 07:00 AM

Um. The very first reply to this thread mentioned the figure "500 mhz P3, maybe even slower", so that should give you *some* idea of what to expect.

Consider that Virtual PC costs extra money, add that to what you'd realistically get for your iBook on eBay or elsewhere, and see if the difference between that sum and the price of a new MacBook is small enough to be worth the ability to run Windows in full-tilt native speed on a 1.8 GHz Core Duo (which will scream for anything but games).

harrisjamieh · Jul 18, 2006, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by f1000

eye candy.

bokeyxms · Jul 18, 2006, 08:11 AM

IMHO, you should of just gone w/ what you wanted originally ya know? Just make sure you do your research before diving into it. If you post your ibook at the right time, you can easily get $650 easily.

ORRRRRR.... you can get a cheap pc, or build one cheap.

If I understand you correctly...you love you mac, but need the pc to run certain apps? Are these apps for work, fun?

Dr. DDS · Jul 18, 2006, 10:50 AM

I have an Ibook 1,42Ghz with 1,5Gb RAM running VPC with WinXP.
Yes, it's slow, but you can work with MSOffice (if you have a PC version and don't want to buy a Mac version). Word takes about 10 secs to start here, and after that it's ok. But the installation was painfully slow.
I run a software only avaiable for Windows called Dentalslice to see and work with Tomographies and surprisingly it runs faster than in my previous PC (athlon 2.2, 512 RAM, 32Mb Ram onboard). I adjusted the settings in VPC to use 512Mb of RAM.
If you want more specs tell me and i can run some tests for you.
Regards

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 12:54 PM

Wow thanks doctor dos. I got to say I am a little dissapointed, and I am now considering a macbook. Well I guess the speed is good as far as emulation is concerned.

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 01:00 PM

Dr. Dos, when running something like win 2000, are the results very different?

ghporter · Jul 18, 2006, 07:21 PM

#1: Horrible title for a thread-and we have a rule requiring thread titles to be informative

#2: We also have a whole forum for NON-MAC OS on Mac questions. It's called the Alternative Operating Systems forum.

#3: Welcome! But we do try to keep things orderly so people can find stuff instead of just stumbling over it. I'm moving this from the iBook/MacBook forum to where it should be.

f1000 · Jul 18, 2006, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by rogersmiff497

Dr. Dos, when running something like win 2000, are the results very different?

Some versions of Windows do run faster than others, but we're still talking distastefully slow. Forget about running Windows under VPC and just get a MacBook.

Originally Posted by ghporter

#1: Horrible title for a thread-and we have a rule requiring thread titles to be informative

You have to admit, though, that he made us look.

rogersmiff497 · Jul 18, 2006, 10:06 PM

again I appologize for the lack of thought put into my title, This is twice now that I have appologized. Please no more posts about the title. I am new to this forum and I am just, now, learning the acceptable posting behavior. But, please continue to post your experiences and findings as they relate the the topic outlined.

Dr. DDS · Jul 19, 2006, 02:38 PM

Rogersmiff, i read that older versions of windows (98 / 2000) can run a little faster, but i really don't think how much it will run faster. The WinXP start-up takes about 70 secs. As i said before it will depend on what programs you will need to run. For me it's doing the job (a little slow i admit, but not worthless).
As other people said, if you need run XP in full speed, go for a Macbook with bootcamp.
I will upgrade later, i bought my ibook last october and for now i think i will keep it for a wile because it works good for my needs and i will wait to see the problems on this new intel macs be fixed.
As I said before if you want some speed tests be my guest. I have only MSOffice installed in XP and another program that i use for my work.

rogersmiff497 · Jul 19, 2006, 09:55 PM

thanks dr dos, you have helped me out a great deal. I am not sure what to do, I think I think I am going to stick my ibook on ebay,kjiji etc. and see if i can get some good money for it, and than I can upgrade to the macbook. It is kind of hard to sell this little 12" g4, I like it so much; and I am uncertain about the quality of the new macbook (as several notable prblems exist). It is a hard decision, if I had more money it would be easier. hahahaaahahah, I think I am still going to give vpc a shot just for fun.

Dr. DDS · Jul 20, 2006, 09:18 AM

Rogersmiff, I have the same "money problem", and my ibook for now is fine to me. I will save some money to buy maybe next year a macbook maybe without today's problems.
Try VPC, i think you will not be completly disappointed if you don't require lots of power.
regards

kahuna · Jul 23, 2006, 03:59 PM

remember that when/if you get a macbook you will need either bootcap= (free), something like parallels = ($$$), and a full legal version of windows xp (again = $$$) so it depends on how much of an investment you can muster to run windows on a mac. also you are not immune to the security issues that plague the microsoft side. the faults are in the OS, not the hardware. i would say you should determine how much TIME you want to spend using windows vs. mac before turning around your ibook into a new system. also, you need to be a student/teacher to use the ipod rebate.

Bobby · Jul 25, 2006, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by rogersmiff497

I want to run XP. I have a G4 Ibook @ 1.33Ghz, 1.25 gig ram, plaeantly of disk space. Do any of you think this is possible via emulation(VPC etc...)? Has anyone tried it with an ibook that has similar specs?

I ran XP on my iBook G3 800MHz... It's painfully slow, but it works. You will likely get at least twice the speed I did using a G4, so it's usable, but don't plan on running any games or anything...

rogersmiff497 · Jul 25, 2006, 09:41 PM

yes gaming is completely out of the question, it is only a few finance related pieces of software that i need to run, that are only available for windows. If they run to slowly it can severely impede my ability to get work done. In any event I the amount of support on this forum, thanks guys. BTW how bad was xp on that 800. It is also possible that I run somejthing like win 2000 just so that I can use the software; given that it doesn;t function painfully slow as XP. Anyone who has completed this experiment please post some of your results. thanks guys.

Velocity211 · Jul 25, 2006, 09:48 PM

I have WinXP on virtual pc for my 1.67 PB. System Properties reports it as 133MHz. Can I make it faster somehow? This sucks!!

Bobby · Jul 26, 2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by rogersmiff497

yes gaming is completely out of the question, it is only a few finance related pieces of software that i need to run, that are only available for windows. If they run to slowly it can severely impede my ability to get work done. In any event I the amount of support on this forum, thanks guys. BTW how bad was xp on that 800. It is also possible that I run somejthing like win 2000 just so that I can use the software; given that it doesn;t function painfully slow as XP. Anyone who has completed this experiment please post some of your results. thanks guys.

To be honest, I primarily used VPC to run IE to see how web stuff I did looked on windows. It worked okay for that, but then that may simply have been my perspective at the time. I had a relatively slow machine & it was better than nothing...

I would guess your financial programs would run OK, as most of thoes kinds of things are not very processor intensive anyway... Again, it's still ususally better than nothing...

The most painful thing I remember was that XP would occasionally pause for seemingly no reason (the system wasn't doing much at the time). Thoes pauses could last a few minutes. But they normally only occured durring initial tasks, like trying to browse to a file or to browse to an application...

rogersmiff497 · Jul 26, 2006, 06:38 PM

those pauses are common to XP , emulated or not. So far I not faced these problems with my mac, though it doesnt seem as fast as it once was when purchased a year ago.

ghporter · Jul 26, 2006, 09:16 PM

XP will sometimes page out "important stuff" that it needs, so it takes a while to get it back... Not the brightest way to do things, but they like it in Redmond.