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I think VMware coming to OSX is going to hurt Parallels a lot. VMware is already established in the industry, and their products that most end users will want/need are free.
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I used VMWare to put WinXP on my Ubuntu box. I really liked playing with it and am looking forward to a Mac version.
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This belongs in Alternative Operating Systems, not Applications. Really-it's about running something other than just OS X, so that's where it goes.
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Originally Posted by mduell
I think VMware coming to OSX is going to hurt Parallels a lot. VMware is already established in the industry, and their products that most end users will want/need are free.
If they ever get off their rumps and release something.
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Existing Parallels users may be reluctant to switch unless there's truly something compelling about VMware, especially if it means dealing with Windows activation issues again.
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I haven't purchased Parallels simply because of the possibility that VMware would come to Mac OS X; now I have confirmation that it will, and I can't be happier. VMware Workstation is so much better than Parallels Desktop, especially when it comes to the alternative operating systems. VMware is simply a crapload better with their support for Linux and Solaris. And now I can really ditch my Windows computer, which I only used to create Virtual Machines for my VMware Server, and for ESX Servers at my work  . Finally, finally, I can ditch Windows completely. Can't be happier.
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Well, if VMWare puts out a free base product, then the existing Parallel users may have to switch if said company starts to lose marketshare and goes out of business...
Originally Posted by Macola
Existing Parallels users may be reluctant to switch unless there's truly something compelling about VMware, especially if it means dealing with Windows activation issues again.
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Originally Posted by legacyb4
Well, if VMWare puts out a free base product, then the existing Parallel users may have to switch if said company starts to lose marketshare and goes out of business...
Yes, that's the scenario I mentioned in another thread...unless Apple buys Parallels, which is probably not too likely.
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What is the speed like when using VMware? I tried out Parallels a little on a MacBook and was very impressed with it...
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Originally Posted by chefpastry
What is the speed like when using VMware? I tried out Parallels a little on a MacBook and was very impressed with it...
I saw Parallels running on a couple new black MacBooks and was alo impressed with the speed. I think it booted faster than many physical Windoze boxes! ;-)
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Yes, agreed. That is why I am wondering how VMware runs since some forum members here believe that it may hurt sales of Parallels...
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Originally Posted by chefpastry
Yes, agreed. That is why I am wondering how VMware runs since some forum members here believe that it may hurt sales of Parallels...
Since it's not out for OS X as yet, there's no way to compare it directly to Parallels.
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Originally Posted by chefpastry
What is the speed like when using VMware? I tried out Parallels a little on a MacBook and was very impressed with it...
Originally Posted by chefpastry
Yes, agreed. That is why I am wondering how VMware runs since some forum members here believe that it may hurt sales of Parallels...
VMware has been doing the virtualization thing for years.
With the guest OS utilities installed, it runs at nearly native performance and responsiveness.
I'm excited but not optimistic about the "3D acceleration" that the Parallels folks have been dropping hints about.
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During a weeklong trial I had with a MBP, I installed and used Parallels to run Windows XP. The MBP I was using had 2 GB of memory (HIGHLY recommended if you intend to run VMs on OS X or any other OS for that matter). Windows XP inside a Parallels VM ran extremely well and it appeared to outperform XP running on my 1.6 GHz Centrino notebook which has 1 GB of memory. It was extremely slick to integrate Parallels with Virtue Desktop to get the quick OS switching effect on the MBP.
I think VMWare joining the OS X VM game is a good thing. I have run VMWare Workstation on top of Windows to run Windows and Linux VMs and it is very stable, functional and the VM performance is generally very good. Having two companies to compete for the VM software market on OS X will only make both work harder to build a better VM solution of Mac users.
Parallels does have some distinct advantages:
1. They were first to market with a OS X solution and their 1.0 product is doing well in the marketplace.
2. If VMWare for OS X is priced similarly to VMWare Workstation for Windows, then Parallels is going to have a significant price advantage. VMWare costs nearly $200.00. Parallels is $80.00.
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Originally Posted by jkwuc89
During a weeklong trial I had with a MBP, I installed and used Parallels to run Windows XP. The MBP I was using had 2 GB of memory (HIGHLY recommended if you intend to run VMs on OS X or any other OS for that matter). Windows XP inside a Parallels VM ran extremely well and it appeared to outperform XP running on my 1.6 GHz Centrino notebook which has 1 GB of memory. It was extremely slick to integrate Parallels with Virtue Desktop to get the quick OS switching effect on the MBP.
I think VMWare joining the OS X VM game is a good thing. I have run VMWare Workstation on top of Windows to run Windows and Linux VMs and it is very stable, functional and the VM performance is generally very good. Having two companies to compete for the VM software market on OS X will only make both work harder to build a better VM solution of Mac users.
Parallels does have some distinct advantages:
1. They were first to market with a OS X solution and their 1.0 product is doing well in the marketplace.
2. If VMWare for OS X is priced similarly to VMWare Workstation for Windows, then Parallels is going to have a significant price advantage. VMWare costs nearly $200.00. Parallels is $80.00.
The VMWare Player is free though, and the Workstation has a 60 day trial. Game over, can't really compete with free very well.
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If the free player software is part of the OS X solution from VMWare, then yes, one could have a free VM solution on OS X assuming that one is willing to create the VM on another system where either VMWare Workstation is running or where VMWare Server is running. The free player software can run VMs but cannot create or edit them.
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Originally Posted by jkwuc89
If the free player software is part of the OS X solution from VMWare, then yes, one could conceiveably have a free VM solution of OS X assuming that one is willing to create the VM on another system where either VMWare Workstation is running or where VMWare Server is running. The free player software can run VMs but cannot create or edit them.
Which VMWare products are being ported to OS X? I thought Workstation and Player were both in the works?
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Im going to try Parallels in the next few days, just out of interest.
I work with VMware Workstation every day under XP running from bootcamp on my Macbook.
I need XP for work, as its the corporate standard.
The ideal end point for me would be:
- Run OS X as the host
- Run XP set up on the work network etc in a guest
- Run other VMs I use for work as a guest.
Since my existing VMs are created in Workstation, for me perosnally, Parallels has lost already, which is a shame.
They may need to do things such as create the capability to import VMs created in VMware Workstation to give them as much chance as they can in a market that will be very difficult for them to survive in.
One interesting point is that some of the apple pages that endorsed bootcamp as the way to run Win XP. Now the same pages endorse Parallels:
http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html
An apple buyout would certainly be an interesting development !
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I don't think Apple will buy Parallels. I believe that this style of virtualization would only be a stop-gap measure. The ideal is full virtualization utilizing Intel's VT technology such as Xen.
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Yes, most definitely the way forward...
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Disclaimer: Uses both VMware Server and Parallels.
First of all, VMware player is just that - a player. It does not allow you to create any new VM machines.
As for workstation, as noted, it is not free, so Parallels have that advantage over it (80 dollars > 200 dollars).
It's a different story if they designed and released VMWare Server (formerly GSX) for free. At this point, there is no point to getting Parallels at all, since you can run VMWare Server on your laptop.
However, I don't see that happening. VMware's biggest strength is migrating and hosting legacy systems (Microsoft Windows 2000 and below, in particulary) within an enterprise enviroment (I understand that VMware ESX kicks the living stuffing out of Microsoft's Virtualization's offerings). As such, it makes sense to give away Vmware Server for free on Windows and Linux so that you can entice to move to ESX later on.
Being that Apple does not have deep penetration into enterprise, it may be unlikely that Vmware will give away VMWare for free. At best, they would probably release a workstation version of Vmware with the ability to manage remote servers. Once Apple gains more acceptance in enterprise, it may be a different story.
Keep in mind that that any product released by Vmware for the Mac will be a 1.0 product, so expect bugs. By the time they corrected those bugs, Parallels would already come up an enhanced 1.x or 2.0 product.
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Like I said, VMWare Workstation has a free trial. You can create your new VM during this trial, and continue to use this disk image with the free player.
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