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angelmb · Sep 8, 2006, 04:16 AM

Mac is a single G4 MDD 1,25 GHz, 1,25 GB RAM, and so far it is not going to run any CPU intensive app, just to get an USB gizmo working under Windows, which VPC could be better between v.6 or v7 ?

I guess if this Mac was a G5 then VPC 7 would make more sense… but it isn't, and my main concern is to get the USB port(s) working fine, one port is enough.

I have heard about certain Windows flavors having issues under VPC to get the USB working fine, so which combo (VPC - Windows) would you get?

Better safe than sorry… I haven't dealt with Windows since hum… NT4

seanc · Sep 8, 2006, 06:41 AM

Depends on what version of Windows your USB gizmo requires. I'd say 2000 at least, I'd also go for VPC 6 as it might be better optimized for the G4.

angelmb · Sep 8, 2006, 10:02 AM

It seems VPC 7 could benefit from the Radeon 9000 inside my MDD… if only that helps to get a better windows redrawn. Could be?

angelmb · Sep 8, 2006, 04:34 PM

HA !

my first try failed miserably…

firstly, I got this…

followed by this…

and then this…

Not asking for help really, I have downgraded to VPC6 and it seems to be working… painfully slow but working… just wanted to share those state of the art BSOD

jamil5454 · Sep 8, 2006, 05:32 PM

Hah, I tried installing BootCamp and XP on my Intel iMac to play a few games and was getting crashes everytime Windows tried to load. To hell with it... I'll stick with Mac-only games and consoles.

seanc · Sep 8, 2006, 05:41 PM

Lol, was that 95 or 98 or ME?

angelmb · Sep 8, 2006, 11:03 PM

It was 98… I am going to try to install a newer windows since USB support seems too flaky under win98… so here we go XP… it better be good, if win98 is that slow, XP is going to hurt…

angelmb · Sep 9, 2006, 02:28 AM

newer windows, same sh!t, rundll32.exe… what more could I ask for?

kick52 · Sep 9, 2006, 02:51 AM

how fast do you think VPC will work on my G4 (sig)? which version would work the best?

angelmb · Sep 9, 2006, 04:44 AM

Well, I am kinda surprised about reading here and there that VPC works "fast enough"… so far I don't use any big app, I just need to deal with a small piece of software which of course is windows only… and I find everything slow.

I have done a small test with that small app which eats as much CPU as it can get, I ran the same process under a Pismo 500 MHz 512 MB RAM and a MDD 1,25 GHz 1,25 GB RAM, the Pismo needed 12:45 minutes to complete it while the MDD did need 2:45 minutes; same VPC 6, same windows 98.

I'll try it later with XP Pro under the MDD… if that MIA dll lets me do it.

ghporter · Sep 9, 2006, 08:15 AM

Angelmb, if you hadn't had similar problems with two different OSs, I'd have said that your install disc was dirty or damaged (there have been a lot of people posting similar problems that come down to bad discs). But with BOTH your trys causing similar problems, I'd say maybe you have a dirty drive...

Either way, I'd make sure everything is really, REALLY clean before starting your next attempt.

qnxde · Sep 9, 2006, 08:50 AM

VPC 7 and NT 4 is what i would use.

angelmb · Sep 9, 2006, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by ghporter

Angelmb, if you hadn't had similar problems with two different OSs, I'd have said that your install disc was dirty or damaged (there have been a lot of people posting similar problems that come down to bad discs). But with BOTH your trys causing similar problems, I'd say maybe you have a dirty drive...

Either way, I'd make sure everything is really, REALLY clean before starting your next attempt.

Thanks for paying attention.

Well, VPC6 seems OK right now, I got the BSOD with VPC7 and windows 98, and truth be told it was the first time I had run VPC7, so I can not say it happened before… I don't think windows 98 is too old to run under VPC 7, right?

As for XP's missing dll… well, no clue being honest, only that I had to do a restart ctrl-alt+supr once the installation was stalled at 'please wait…', then it brought me the log-in screen almost instantly, oh well, that is a clue though… but being honest, it took me something like three hours to install XP and if windows 98 does the job…

So far running VPC 6 exclusively now. I'll try this app under XP asap to check it out and compare how speedier it is LOL

Sorry about the confusion.

BTW a friend of me, gave it a try and got a 1:40 with a 1.8 GHz CUBE. Whoa.

seanc · Sep 9, 2006, 10:40 AM

Windows 98 is not too old for VPC 7, I had 95 running on there just fine.

angelmb · Sep 9, 2006, 11:57 AM

how fast do you think VPC will work on my G4 (sig)? which version would work the best?

It is anybody surprise… but running the same test under VPC6 and Mac OS 9 is way faster than under Mac OS X and VPC6, with the PowerBook it was 02:10 for Mac OS X… it took only 00:55 sec under Mac OS 9.

So kick52, as your Sawtooth can run it under Mac OS 9, I would give it a try there as opposed to the sluggish performance under Mac OS X.

angelmb · Sep 10, 2006, 04:45 AM

I have found an issue with the XP install process, once the black screen with the XP logo reads 'Espere…' spanish for 'Wait…', it keeps stalled there, I gave it more than one hour to get the 'Wait…' window done, but nothing happened… so I had to reboot it.

Could this issue be the mother of the MIA dll issue?

seanc · Sep 10, 2006, 06:08 AM

I don't remember mine having that problem. Are you sure your CDs/drives are fine?

angelmb · Sep 10, 2006, 10:07 AM

Don't know… the CD seems to be okay -visual test-. I am trying it with a different disc right now. I haven't had a single issue with the optical drives, one is the Combo came from factory -2003- not that old and the second one is a new Pioneer DVD-111D. I don't smoke, so that can not be either

I'll report about it later.

angelmb · Sep 10, 2006, 12:34 PM

Well, so far this seems to be a better attempt… and XP is running here -albeit damn slow of course-…

Let me ask one thing, under Windows I can read my C: unit is this big:

but I can not find such a huge file on my Mac, the VPC Document inside Documents --> Virtual PC List is 1,44 GB, and neither WhatSize (the Mac OS X freeware app) was able to show me any document that big, 14,9 GB !! No way I need that space to run XP Home Edition…

BTW, how can I uninstall the multimedia, internet, games… apps that I am not going to use ever… the utility to (de)install software is as confusing as it was ten years ago… I would like to have a 'light' image to save on my FireWire disk so I can just drag&drop it if I ever need it again so I can avoid all the install process… the smaller the image, the better of course.

Thanks.

ghporter · Sep 10, 2006, 03:01 PM

Uninstalling an app is as simple as going to the Control Panel's "Add or Remove Programs" applet, selecting the app you don't want, and clicking the "uninstall" button. Really. From that same applet you can uninstall Windows features you won't use either. That's under "Add/Remove Windows Components," accessed from the button on the left side of the applet's window.

angelmb · Sep 11, 2006, 04:54 PM

Hum, I can not remember if VPC is able to access certain hardware inside the Mac. I have installed a Belkin Hi-Speed USB 2.0 5 port PCI card, so far I have installed the proper drivers to each Windows version (98 & XP Home), when I plug the USB thingy to the Belkin PCI card, only XP can see it, albeit the transfer speed is slow, like using an old USB 1.1 port. Windows says the USB thingy -a USB 2.0 card reader/writer- is attached to a low speed USB port. So I guess something went wrong even having installing the Belkin drivers…

In a nutshell…
- Windows XP can use the Belkin PCI card since the it does mount the SD card plugged there but the transfer speed isn't USB 2.0

- any reason for Windows 98 not being able to see the device?

- to make it even more silly, this windows only app seems to run OK under windows 98 but not that great under XP Home… so I would like to know how to share the data provided by the app under windows 98 for it being available under XP Home… the issue is that windows 98 runs under VPC6 and windows xp does it under VPC7, hence I can not have both VPC apps running at one LOL@me, so far I can only think about the shared folder but I don't like that idea that much since I fear the Mac OS could 'corrupt' the PC generated files,could it be or I am being paranoid?

BTW and to provide some input, I find XP Home under VPC7 faster than Windows98 under VPC6, weird, huh?

angelmb · Sep 12, 2006, 07:31 AM

Update:

It seems the software is running with no issues under XP, so even when the USB transfer speed is not what I would like, it seems I could delete the Windows 98 image disc and hence, VPC6.