[judd]

Hi

Just wondering if Apple will be coming out with a 19" LCD before Christmas time. I am going to get myself a new powermac with an LCD but don't know if I should go for the 17" or wait in case they introduce the 19".

Thanks

[GORDYmac]

You're basing a significant amount of money on rumor. MacOSRumors has been speculating on a 19" LCD for over a year now. If you need an LCD, buy it, if you don need it, wait. Apple has never stated that such an LCD was in the pipeline.

[Mr. Blur]

i am still holding out hope for some new lcd's to be released soon...it's been way too long...and i want to buy myself a christmas present - 17" widescreen or 19" widescreen. i certainly wouldn't put off the purchase of a system if i really needed one just because of the monitor though....

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by judd:
Hi

Just wondering if Apple will be coming out with a 19" LCD before Christmas time. I am going to get myself a new powermac with an LCD but don't know if I should go for the 17" or wait in case they introduce the 19".

Thanks

There are very, very, few people who know the answer to that question, and they aren't telling us!

[JayTi]

You can say that again! Sorry, I'm in a sinister mood.

[hook]

Seems like waiting a week or two wouldn't be a bad idea. Apple making another anouncement in these next two weeks (before Thanksgiving), might add to the already hefty momentum they achieved this week with the 'books. Would be a good ploy to keep Apple in the spotlight going into the holidays. Of course they might announce something other than 19" lcds. Who knows.

[hook]

Originally posted by JayTi:
You can say that again! Sorry, I'm in a sinister mood.

What's going on here? Not a peep? Nothing? If it comes out this year, is there any chance that the 19" flat panel will be included in the power couple deal? I'm assuming it won't. How about discounts on the 22" display when it is finally discontinued?

I don't really expect answers to any of these questions, but any info would be nice. Anybody?

[Justin W. Williams]

Originally posted by Mr. Blur:
it's been way too long...and i want to buy myself a christmas present - 17" widescreen or 19" widescreen. i certainly wouldn't put off the purchase of a system if i really needed one just because of the monitor though....

The LCDs out now are still the best on the market. They just need to lower the prices a bit I think.

[Mr. Blur]

Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:
The LCDs out now are still the best on the market. They just need to lower the prices a bit I think.

maybe they are the best, but that doesn't mean they should stand still and not make them better. for instance, i can get a 17" widescreen on an imac, but i can't buy one on its own? the resolution of the 22" should be put into a 19" or 20" to better compete with the new formac model....

[Eug]

Originally posted by Justin W. Williams:


The LCDs out now are still the best on the market. They just need to lower the prices a bit I think.

Are they? I've heard they are among the best, but that many others are direct competitors and may best the Apple ones for a bit less money. Some would argue that Apple displays are the best looking though.

I'm going to hold off mainly because I don't want an ADC connector monitor. I'd rather have one with DVI and VGA inputs (+/- composite/S-video). I have some extra CRTs I can use with my TiBook in the meantime.

[Justin W. Williams]

Originally posted by Eug:

Are they? I've heard they are among the best, but that many others are direct competitors and may best the Apple ones for a bit less money. Some would argue that Apple displays are the best looking though.

I made that statement based on brightness + aesthetics + resolution.

[hart]

I agonized for months over my purchase of a new system and looked at every possible variable and finally got a Samsung Syncmaster 191t to go with my new Powermac and not the apple 17" (or a 22" refurb either altho i considered it).

You know, people keep saying "the Apple displays are the best" as though just saying it makes it so but I ended up not agreeing. In terms of pure specs:

resolution is the same but size is bigger on the samsung for the same price. This doesn't mean more windows on the screen but it does mean movies are bigger.

viewing angle is better (170 on the samsung vs 160 on the apple)

samsung brightness is better (250 vs 200). I have to keep my display set at 50% brightness because anything more was hurting my eyes!

contrast ratio is better (500 vs 350)

samsung's DVI interface meant I just plugged it in and turned it on, like the apple (of course, it has a power cord though).

Warranty is 3 years for samsung vs 1 yr for apple.

In theory the Samsung can be rotated to portrait view but I haven't taken the time to find out if this works with a mac.

Anyway, I also was very concerned with how the displays look. Neither one "matches" the mirrored door Powermac in looks. I actually don't like that huge stripy white surface surrounding the Apple display. Very distracting. My samsung has a very narrow silver bezel (also comes in black) which I find visually better and an unobtrusive black base that fades into the background.

Last but not least ergonomics was a major concern for me. The apple loses hands down on this one for me. It sits at one height, has an enormous desk footprint for an LCD (4" of its total width is just frame) and it's tilt-ability is pathetic. I wanted a screen that has different heights for different users and which will tilt to at least vertical so I can lounge in an arm chair while watching movies. Also, altho the syncmaster doesn't rotate, moving the base side to side is much less aggravating than moving those humongous legs on the Apple. i was also worried the single tiny back support on the apple would plunge off the back of my desk. Just what i need, $1000 display falling off my desk.

OK, I got carried away here but I just keep reading "apple displays are best, apple displays are best" like it was a law. The specs just don't support this claim.

And now back to something productive!

J

[Eug]

Thanks for the info, hart.

One of the units I was specifically thinking about was the Samsung 172T, which is the little brother to the one you purchased.

[Eug]

Apple Studio Display 17"
Luminance: 200 cd/m2
Contrast: 350:1
Viewing Angle: 160 degrees.

Samsung 171P or 172T
Luminance: 250 cd/m2
Contrast: 500:1
Viewing Angle: 170 degrees.

http://pcworld.shopping.yahoo.com/ya...,106166,00.asp

The Apple would be CAD$1740 incl. DVI adapter, but then I'd get a $600 rebate.
The Samsung would be CAD$950ish with built-in DVI and VGA.

This would be for use with a PowerBook primarily.

The Samsung has better on-paper specs, but the reviews I've seen put them in the same ballpark in real-life usage. I'm inclined to get the Samsung because of more connector flexibility, especially for connecting to a PC. I have no intention of buying an ADC-endowed PowerMac.

[Eug]

"I have seen a lot of LCD monitors, but non that match the uniqueness, performance, and sleekness this monitor has. Even the Apple Cinema screen doe's not outperform this monitor."

http://www.modfactor.com/reviews/mon...msung172t.html

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rid=51611

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=55839

[Leia Shoots Like a Girl]

I am sure as hell positive you will NOT see a performance difference. None at all, the only way you will even know is by reading the specs sheet. You going to mount it on the wall? Nope.

I guess you like it but to me it just looks like cheap PC plastic. ADC is wicked as the picture starts as pure digital and remains that way once it gets to the monitor. Other monitors go Digital then analog. Eewwww analog!

[Eug]

Samsung 172T - CAD$909 (US$580) or 172-S Silver model $979 (US$625).

Sounds like a good deal to me.

None at all, the only way you will even know is by reading the specs sheet.

Well, if you're gonna believe the specs sheets, then the Samsung blows away the Apple one in specs. See earlier in thread. I'm not one to believe too much in paper specs though.

ADC is wicked as the picture starts as pure digital and remains that way once it gets to the monitor. Other monitors go Digital then analog. Eewwww analog!

I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Samsung 171P and 172T are both DVI-D (ie. pure digital), with a separate cable option for analog VGA.

Basically all ADC is, is digital DVI + USB + power. For image quality ADC is exactly the same as DVI.

The lower end Samsungs are analogue, but not these ones.

By the way, I have been told that LG-Philips makes the 17" Apple Studio Display, which is interesting, since Apple invested 100 million in Samsung for their LCD screens.

Anyways, I have already decided not to buy the Apple display.

[MichiganRich]

hey guys I just had to chime in about this-

I bought the Dell UltraSharp 1900FP, which is a rebadged Samsung 191T. The price (Dell on-line 20% off sale) for this 19", 1280x1024, DVI & VGA input LCD was U.S. $719, which is more like a 17" price when you go out to the computer stores looking for DVI input displays. It has a very slim 3/4" silver bezel, a rotating turntable base, tilts easily, great on-screen controls, and I can't find a single fault with it. The picture is truly stunning, and very easy on the eyes for extended viewing (and we all know about that don't we... ) Apple's displays are rated very highly, but the $280 premium for the smaller Apple 17", especially when you are limited to ADC connection, just doesn't seem like a good value. It's also inexcusable that Apple makes the iMac G4 with such a wonderfully graceful gooseneck, yet their very expensive LCD offerings are locked-down like an easel in an art museum, off-limits to the touch.

I've seen the Dell site offering the same 20% off sale since I purchased mine, so I hardly think it was a one-time deal. I highly recommend this display.

Anyone got ideas on how to scratch this Dell logo off? *grins*... Dude?

[Eug]

Is the Dell Dell UltraSharp 1702FP the same thing as the Samsung 172T?

P.S. The Dell is US$641 locally. The Samsung 172T is US$555 locally. That latter price is very enticing, considering that buying TWO of the Samsung 172T screen would be less than one 17" Apple Studio Display with DVI adapter.

[schalliol]

Screw it, I'm just going to buy two of the 1900FPs...so no issues on using it with an ADC -> DVI adapter and resolutions, right?