[auxarq]

What's all the fuss about??? Honestly, 2nd generation / 3rd generation - what e v e r - looks like a serious case of inbreading to me! (Closer than 1st cousins!) And not much inovation . . . um, is this 2003 - A.D.?

WAY overdue with a color screen! WAY overdue with being able to view QT movies (and plug the thing into you NTSC/PAL tv) and fotografs!

Now THAT would REALLY be a POD you could take to Grandma's!!!

But alas, Archos has a 20GB device with all of the above plus for the competitive price of a "new" iPod (if you're interested: http://www.archos.com/). Oeps! It's from Europe! Oh, well, America will (pretend that they) invent(ed) it and conquer the world! My Hero! Aaaaaa!

(cue theme from "Gone With the Wind" and fade)

[I Bent My Wookiee]

That arcos thing is retarded and so are you for thinking they are the same thing.

Hold an iPod in your palm and then a Arcos with both arms and you will see why people like iPods.

[CheesePuff]

Oh god yes, my music player is WAYY overdue for a color screen!

[AssassyN]

Nice first post.

LoL, the iPod is a "music player" and it does so much more. Games, Contacts, Playlists, and it's a fully-useable FireWire Hard Drive on top of that. I don't want prices to increase for some color screen, plus, I like my long battery life.

[ryanbrown345]

I believe a music player doesn't need a color screen? Why do we need a color screen for music. Then battery life would go down. And also I believe apple is thinking just a player for music not a combo. yes eventually they will but right know I believe it's just for music. But the color screen one that is out is a brick! who would ever call that portable?

[auxarq]

Originally posted by I Bent My Wookiee:
That arcos thing is retarded and so are you for thinking they are the same thing.

Hold an iPod in your palm and then a Arcos with both arms and you will see why people like iPods.

Gee, I don't recall making a personal judgement about you and besides - if you could read, I didn't say they ARE the same thing (besides, you misspelled "Archos") - I inferred (is that too big a word for ya) that the "new" iPod isn't all that inovative! Who's retarded here?

Aw, you're just jealous! BTW -- how LONG do you hold your iPod in YOUR hand???? I don't really prefer to hold my iPod all the time in my hand(s) - separation is good sometimes. And just maybe - they COULD be made a little smaller and lighter for such tender folk as you.

Ya big ape! ;-)

[I Bent My Wookiee]

Ha ha, you are such a baby

I actually hold my iPod the whole time or have it in my pocket, I would love to see that other thing in my pocket.

You want to point out any more spelling mistakes to make you sound smarter and more informed?

[auxarq]

Originally posted by AssassyN:
Nice first post.

LoL, the iPod is a "music player" and it does so much more. Games, Contacts, Playlists, and it's a fully-useable FireWire Hard Drive on top of that. I don't want prices to increase for some color screen, plus, I like my long battery life.

Well, actually - - - it's my second post!

I think games, contacts, playlists is quite limited for such an expensive thing with such IMENSE storage capacity (look what you can do with a Newton!!!!). And as far as a price comparison of the Jukebox Multimedia 120 with 20GB (and all of the other functionalities) @ $399.95 - - - compared to the iPod with "games, contacts, playlists" (yawn) and a meer 15GB @ $399 - - - I'm wondering what price increase your calculator is showing?!?!?! I see and extra 5GB, color screen, multimedia, recording music, recording multimedia, for a meer 95 cents!

You really drive a hard bargan! May you always be blessed with a long battery life (though the other posts around aren't so optimistic) - I guess you have an old iPod. Enjoy!

[I Bent My Wookiee]

The question is, why the hell do you care? You want us to feel guilty for buying a pod and you are soooo much smarter for figuring out that the "Archos" is a zillion times better and ahead of it's time.

Why do i get the feeling that you can't afford either

[auxarq]

Originally posted by I Bent My Wookiee:
Ha ha, you are such a baby

I actually hold my iPod the whole time or have it in my pocket, I would love to see that other thing in my pocket.

You want to point out any more spelling mistakes to make you sound smarter and more informed?

Aw, who's the baby now? Have a problem with separation???

Is that an iPod in your pocket or are you just happy to see me????????????????? I'll BET you'd like to see that "other thing" in your pocket - already got Pod envy?

You're so sensitive - I can understand why you don't shave. I learn from my mistakes and thankful for those who point them out to me. I don't have to be smarter or more informed to be observant and if you have anything else to take up with me - you can do it offline and spare the rest of the readers of this thread!

[itai195]

Archos Jukebox:
Height: 4.3 in
Width: 3.1 in
Depth: 1.1 in
Volume: 14.663 cu in
Weight: 10.23 oz

iPod:
Height: 4.1 in
Width: 2.4 in
Depth: 0.62 in
Volume: 6.1008 cu in
Weight: 5.6 oz

Need I say more?

What's so innovative about a color screen on an mp3 player, anyway?

[auxarq]

Originally posted by itai195:
Archos Jukebox:
Height: 4.3 in
Width: 3.1 in
Depth: 1.1 in
Volume: 14.663 cu in
Weight: 10.23 oz

iPod:
Height: 4.1 in
Width: 2.4 in
Depth: 0.62 in
Volume: 6.1008 cu in
Weight: 5.6 oz

Need I say more?

What's so innovative about a color screen on an mp3 player, anyway?

Well, keep reading, honey, it's NOT just an mp3 player - you can record tv shows, you can use it (with non-vibrating attachments) to take pictures (sorry it's not 20 zillion mega pixels) but it sure is a hell of a lot lighter than carting around a VCR don't ya think???

Plus, everything gets smaller - remember that the original iPods were bigger than the new ones??? Do you think it might work to put a smaller disk maybe in the "brick" thing? Is size all that matters?

[off/lang]

Originally posted by auxarq:
...(besides, you misspelled "Archos") - I inferred (is that too big a word for ya) that the "new" iPod isn't all that inovative! Who's retarded here?

Making fun of somebody for misspelling, and then doing it yourself...ah irony (or possibly hypocrisy?)


"innovative"

Honestly, what is the big deal? I just purchased my second iPod, and I love it. I like the tight integration between the iPod and my Mac*


*The PC version of the iPod isn't as nice as the mac version, the integration just isn't there to the to the same degree.
Also, chances are the same type of person who would go to a mac forum and dis the iPod wouldn't understand the "just works"-ness of the iPod and Apple products in general.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

auxarq you should take what little money you have and not buy an MP3 player but try to get a date. You seem so lonely and insecure.

[swsteckly]

A color screen? Are you kidding me?

Color screens require a full-tim full-coverage flourscent backlight. You know how much the battery life goes down with the backlight on? That's a measly 3 LEDs. A color screen would draw 4-5 times the amount of power. Why would you need this? A 'cool factor'?

[auxarq]

Originally posted by ryanbrown345:
I believe a music player doesn't need a color screen? Why do we need a color screen for music. Then battery life would go down. And also I believe apple is thinking just a player for music not a combo. yes eventually they will but right know I believe it's just for music. But the color screen one that is out is a brick! who would ever call that portable?

Well, you don't NEED a color screen for music. If all you want is music then that's great!

But if you wanna watch yesterday's "Oprah" while you're commuting on the train to work (if you had a train) or for the spoiled brat kids that have everything that are sitting in the back of the SUV bored to death and they can watch QuickTime music videos they've downloaded from Apple Music Television - then for the same price and 5GB extra - it's not so crazy to have a color screen! Or is it?

[itai195]

It's not just an mp3 player, great. But all I want is an mp3 player that I can comfortably carry with me... These new iPods are smaller than the original, but even the original 5GB iPod was a lot smaller than the Archos Jukebox (and had longer battery life).

I'll leave video to other devices that are more suitable for the task, rather than buy one "jack of all trades" device that doesn't do anything well. Digital photos under 4MP are useless to me, and my digital camera can already connect to a TV for viewing photos (a feature I never use anyway). BTW, you have to buy an optional $99 attachment to be able to take 1.3MP photos with the jukebox...

The real problem with this device is that it competes in a space already occupied by PDAs. Sure, it offers a lot of storage. But I don't think many people care to have 20GB of video and pictures on a device with such a tiny screen (and those who do can purchase CF mini hard drives anyway). PDAs have larger screens, smaller form factors, and numerous features that the Archos Jukebox doesn't have. And in a similar fashion I'm sure, though I can only vouch for PDAs, they are also poor digital cameras and poor mp3 players.

EDIT: BTW, almost all PDAs also beat the resolution on this thing's display, a measly 237x234.

[auxarq]

Originally posted by I Bent My Wookiee:
auxarq you should take what little money you have and not buy an MP3 player but try to get a date. You seem so lonely and insecure.

You're lookin' in a mirror honey!

Like I said - take it up off line or drop it -

be a good ape!

[off/lang]

My issue in general with an MP3 player (the iPod) versus a Media player (the Archos Jukebox) is that you can get a really great MP3 player by putting a hard-drive, and small screen, and a large battery together, you get a compact, usable device that is truly useful, but with a media player (at least currently) you have to make sacrifices. In order for it to have the connectors to the tv it needs to be a little larger, in order for it to view pics the screen needs higher definition color. In order to do all of those things you sacrifice battery life, and you sacrifice size/weight.

Honestly, I think the archos doesn't have the right set of tradeoffs. The media player has a lot of potential, but the archos doesn't live up, and until a media player comes out that does, I'm going to stick with my iPod for music and laptop for video/pics.

[x user]

Well, your an idiot. I don't know who, I just wanted to say it. And the iPod is a MP3 player, not a quicktime player. If I wanted that, just get a portible DVD player.

[dettociao]

Agreed. This man is a troll of the highest caliber. Or lowest. Whatever.