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SoCal_BigFoot · Oct 16, 2003, 04:47 PM

Well it seams like any hopes for ver 2 software for older iPods,
and now any hopes for media reader for older iPods will stay that... just hopes.
Thank you Apple for taking care of your loyal customers

Peter · Oct 16, 2003, 05:03 PM

No surprises here then

Dace · Oct 16, 2003, 05:07 PM

Welcome to the-way-it-goes.

[SARCASM] Damn you Apple for not letting me run OS X on my Mac SE

[/SARCASM]

hardcat1970 · Oct 16, 2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
Well it seams like any hopes for ver 2 software for older iPods,
and now any hopes for media reader for older iPods will stay that... just hopes.
Thank you Apple for taking care of your loyal customers

when apple designed the first ipod, they never thought of the impact would such huge. It was only a music player. But since then, it has turned out to be a digital media thing, As you can see, these accessories depends on the new connector, it just isn't possible to use on the old ipod firewire connector.

you can just sell your old ipod on the ebay and get a new one. Just get over it.

SoCal_BigFoot · Oct 16, 2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by hardcat1970:
when apple designed the first ipod, they never thought of the impact would such huge. It was only a music player.

This is not exactly true. I met some of original iPod designers when it was just introduced.
They showed me some "hidden" options like ability to record voice.
They also said it was just a question of software update to enable them. So it's not a hardware limitation to make
playlist on the go or record voice. They just don't care because they want us go and buy new iPods. That's that simple.
And running OS X on your Newton or Lisa is quite a different situation...

icruise · Oct 16, 2003, 05:41 PM

I think you're mostly right about the old iPods being able to run the latest software without much of a problem (although the new accessories like the voice recorder wouldn't work because of the new connectors on the new iPods). But I guess I can't totally fault Apple for wanting people to buy the new models.

Ron Goodman · Oct 16, 2003, 06:15 PM

I'm confused--has your old iPod quit working or something? My 5G is doing just what it always did. I will be looking at a new one if I get a digital SLR. Using it to download Compact Flash cards seems like a Good Thing.

thePurpleGiant · Oct 16, 2003, 06:20 PM

My original 5GB iPod still works great and does everything that it was advertised to do!

If I get some bonus updates and features out of it, then I wont complain. But if I recieve no updates I also wont complain - I got what I paid for.

As someone said, sell it on eBay, but a new one - don't feel like you are being "screwed" by Apple just because you don't get updates for years to come on a *music player*.

Hint: Put some good photos and a nice description on eBay and they go for *very* decent prices.

tooki · Oct 16, 2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Icruise:
I think you're mostly right about the old iPods being able to run the latest software without much of a problem (although the new accessories like the voice recorder wouldn't work because of the new connectors on the new iPods). But I guess I can't totally fault Apple for wanting people to buy the new models.

Well, AFAIK, the 1 and 2G iPods don't have audio-in circuitry.

That said, the Voice Recorder mike does NOT use the dock connector. The audio in occurs through the headphone jack (as confirmed early on in the test menu of the 3G iPod).

tooki

-Q- · Oct 16, 2003, 06:50 PM

Wow, what drama. I'd recommend a career in theatre.

And unless I misintepreted the presentation, I still have a working iPod. Now, if Apple tried to give us some new features in an update the then destroyed the original iPods forever, then I'd say we were screwed.

RooneyX · Oct 16, 2003, 06:58 PM

I have the very first iPod and will never feel screwed. The new designs might be slim but I hate the touch sensitive controls. My old solid buttons and dial are awesome!

SoCal_BigFoot · Oct 16, 2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by -Q-:
Wow, what drama. I'd recommend a career in theatre.

Geeze, if asking for playlist on the go (which can be achieved easily by software update) plus voice in is such a drama,
you should really stick to daytime television.

SoCal_BigFoot · Oct 16, 2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
I have the very first iPod and will never feel screwed. The new designs might be slim but I hate the touch sensitive controls. My old solid buttons and dial are awesome!

That's my point exactly. I love the original design, but it's sad we can not benefit of new features, mostly because of politics.
And it's sad too, that so many Apple users act like catholic pope supporters, you are not allowed to say anything against Apple!

icruise · Oct 16, 2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
Well, AFAIK, the 1 and 2G iPods don't have audio-in circuitry.

That said, the Voice Recorder mike does NOT use the dock connector. The audio in occurs through the headphone jack (as confirmed early on in the test menu of the 3G iPod).

tooki

It doesn't use the dock connector, but it does use the new headphone connector, so it's the same thing, really.

-Q- · Oct 16, 2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
Geeze, if asking for playlist on the go (which can be achieved easily by software update) plus voice in is such a drama,
you should really stick to daytime television.

But you weren't asking for those things. According to you, you were "screwed for ever [sic]" b/c your iPod can't use the new features. Oh please. Get over it and either sell your old iPod and get a new one or deal.

RooneyX · Oct 16, 2003, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
That's my point exactly. I love the original design, but it's sad we can not benefit of new features, mostly because of politics.
And it's sad too, that so many Apple users act like catholic pope supporters, you are not allowed to say anything against Apple!

Personally I have no need for the add ons. They just add bulk. Built in would be another thing. I would like to see a color screen that brings up the album covers and think that is the only natural evolution that will occur that will make me upgrade.

DeathMan · Oct 16, 2003, 09:03 PM

my response

Stradlater · Oct 16, 2003, 11:39 PM

"Old Macintosh Plus users screwed for ever!"

OMG I CAN'T RUN OS X ON MY OLD COMPUTER WHY NOT WHY NOT SHIT!

israces · Oct 17, 2003, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by DeathMan:
my response

Well. that's a tad harsh. Remember, when the iPod was first released, Apple just made computers, computers that they constantly released functionality updates for in the form of software improvements. As far as I can tell, updates have always been part of the deal when you bought processor-based hardware from Apple. (See System 7-OSX, etc.). I think when I got my first gen. iPOD it was marketed as "more than just an MP3 player" hence the name. As such, I expected some sort of update from time to time. I think that this is pretty reasonable and apparently so did Apple. (See previous iPod software updaters).

I acknowledge that being upset about not being able to run Panther on an Apple II (or whatever overly dramatic hardware/software incompatability you want to use to make a point) is insane, but I think that this one is a lot closer-call. I don't think that playlists on the fly is such a hardware taxing function that it cannot be included as an update for first gen. iPods. This is an accounting decision only and the funny thing is that sales are already beyond anyone's wildest dreams, so artificial demand through intentional obsolescence isn't needed here.
Engineering finally made a product that was too good for Accounting.

This, to me, is more like releasing Panther that only works for the G5, even though we all know that it would work fine on all the G4s now in use. Just my take on it.

benb · Oct 17, 2003, 12:31 AM

When you buy an iPod, why would you think you are entitled to new functionality?

Look at the specs. See that? That is what you are getting. Anything more than that is just a bonus. Want new features? Get the new model. Such is the life of a consumer in a developed country.

benb · Oct 17, 2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by DeathMan:
my response

Haha. Thumbs are funny.

Luca Rescigno · Oct 17, 2003, 12:44 AM

Okay, so maybe old iPods shouldn't be able to use all the cool accessories because of hardware limitations. But why shouldn't they be able to use some of the new software features, like on-the-go playlists and ratings? There's no technical reason why they shouldn't be able to.

As an analogy: I'm not asking Apple to support 10.3 on a Plus. However, I do expect them to support a late-model CRT iMac on 10.3. The CRT iMac was discontinued sometime last year or maybe earlier this year (I don't remember). Should they be unsupported under 10.3 because they're not made anymore? No, that wouldn't make much sense.

Wet Jimmy · Oct 17, 2003, 01:33 AM

Anyone that knows the way these things work, and who actually cares about having the lastest gear, has eBay'd their old iPod months ago.

For example - As soon as the new iPod design (v3) was announced, I whacked my old 10GB on eBay, sold it, and for only $50.00 more I got myself a shiny new v3. Anyone with a lick of sense would have done the same thing.

Otherwise, as plenty of people have stated, the original iPod still does what it was meant to do - it is still a kick-ass portable MP3 player - and if you remember how happy you were when you first bought it it shouldn't bother you.

That said, if you haven't figured out that newer and bettter technology than anything you currently own will be always be just around the corner, you're an ignoramus.

DVD Plaza · Oct 17, 2003, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by SoCal_BigFoot:
I met some of original iPod designers when it was just introduced.
They showed me some "hidden" options like ability to record voice.

This doesn't make sense - when the 3G iPods came out a short while ago people disassembled them and discovered recording circuity had been added.

If the recording circuitry was ADDED with the 3Gs, how did the originals have it?

Freeflyer · Oct 17, 2003, 09:43 AM

I have a 2G 10Gb ipod and the recordiing test works on mine. Can't remember the option, but I tried it when the hack was published and it works. The ability is there, I don't see why we shouldn't get the software upgrade.

I understand that they want us to buy more products, but it would cost them nothing to make the software available to us, and give us the goodies.

Personally I don't need voice recording, but I'vee wished for the card reader since I bought my digital camera. I took an ipod and an xdrive on month long himalayan trek, and it would have been more convenient to take just the ipod.

Give it a few weeks and we'll see more hardware vendors with their options, perhaps demand will drive the supply of an upgrade to the old ipod software.

J.

israces · Oct 17, 2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Freeflyer:

I understand that they want us to buy more products, but it would cost them nothing to make the software available to us, and give us the goodies.

No, I think it would cost them a potential sale of a product that they make an insane profit on.

Angus_D · Oct 18, 2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by DVD Plaza:
If the recording circuitry was ADDED with the 3Gs, how did the originals have it?

It was there, it was just invisible and took up no space! Apple actually downgraded it in the 3G iPods to save money, the fsckers!

mishap · Oct 18, 2003, 08:12 AM

Some features in the 2.0 software would not work at all on older ipods (such as on the go playlists where you need to *hold* the center button).

plus didnt apple re-do all the software for the new ipods ...making it nothing like the old software which was based on someone else's code?

slider · Oct 18, 2003, 08:39 AM

Question, does the iPod do what you bought it to do? Seriously, if you want these new features sell you old iPod and get a new one. I remember people wanting voice recording and photo storage, now you can get it, but no, that is not enough you want to do it on your original 5GB iPod. I don't get it. I have a second gen iPod, and I love it. It does what I bought it to do, plays music. I don't feel screwed in anyway what so ever. Maybe you could push thrid party developers to come up with an option to increase the functionality of you old iPod so they can make a profit off their investment.

Luca Rescigno · Oct 18, 2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by mishap:
Some features in the 2.0 software would not work at all on older ipods (such as on the go playlists where you need to *hold* the center button).

plus didnt apple re-do all the software for the new ipods ...making it nothing like the old software which was based on someone else's code?

Why can't you hold the center button on the old ones? It knows when you've held various buttons - the menu button (to turn on the backlight), the pause/play button (to sleep the iPod), and the forward and back buttons (to fast forward or rewind).

I think it's just Apple trying to make more money from the iPods. There are a lot of so-called "unfair" things that I don't see as being that bad, but this one seems fairly stupid. Unlike a computer, which you're expected to upgrade every couple years, iPods are consumer electronics, which should last longer.

icruise · Oct 18, 2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:

I think it's just Apple trying to make more money from the iPods. There are a lot of so-called "unfair" things that I don't see as being that bad, but this one seems fairly stupid. Unlike a computer, which you're expected to upgrade every couple years, iPods are consumer electronics, which should last longer.

Of course Apple is trying to make more money from the iPods. That is the main reason behind this.

However, I have to take issue with the idea that consumer electronics are supposed to "last longer" (by which you apparently mean "stay current longer"). Most consumer electronics have a static feature set. You're not going to see Sony releasing a "patch" to give their old MD players or CD players the features of the new models, even if such a thing were possible. In the world of consumer electronics, things are obsolete a month or two after you buy them, and the only way you can get the new features is to buy the new models.

Compared to most other devices, iPod users have been well taken care of. The software we have now for the first and second generation iPods is not only better performing than the original software, but it has a bunch of extra features that were never there when we bought the device in the first place. I'd say that's pretty good. It's only because the iPod has an OS that is so easily changeable that these kinds of upgrades are possible at all.

So the point is, iPod users are not screwed. We are blessed, compared to any other music device out there.

Stogieman · Oct 18, 2003, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
I have the very first iPod and will never feel screwed. The new designs might be slim but I hate the touch sensitive controls. My old solid buttons and dial are awesome!

I feel the same way about my 5gig iPod. If anyone got screwed it's the 3G owners with those crappy touch sensitive buttons and shorter battery life. Bring back the old style button layout Apple!