[Macfreak7]

In an attempt to save their falling market share, Nokia has announced 5 new models to be released later this year.

Link

6630 - Smartphone, has everything except a bigger touch screen.
6260 - Interesting new design.
6170 - This seems to have the nicest new design, but again it lacks bluetooth functionality.
2650 - Meh.
2600 - Boring.

Discuss.

[velodev]

I'll stick with my Treo 600.

And when palmOne decides to add Bluetooth to it... I'll stick with that one next.

Ever since the 8290 and the problems it had without any attempts from the manufacturer for recall or fix - I refuse to buy a Nokia. Motorola... well, there are other reasons I buy from them. SE... nope, no thanks.

[mbryda]

Nokia has been a has-been for quite a while. In short, Nokias have been junk for a long time. The only reason they got their market share is because they are the FREE phones carriers give out. And most people won't pay for a phone....

However, for the longest time, the #1 wireless carrier in the USA (Verizon) had no Nokias, and neither did Sprint (#4), as Nokia didn't do CDMA well. So, when you went with Verizon, you got a much better phone from LG or Motorola (My LG-TM-510 was one of the best phones I ever had) and did not get a Nokia. And then you have Nextel who is getting good market share only using Motorola....

Nokia is doomed.

And then there is their crappy styling - the rotary phone (????) and the ones with the odd keypads, etc. Their phones plain stink.

[Timo]

Originally posted by mbryda:
Nokia has been a has-been for quite a while. In short, Nokias have been junk for a long time. The only reason they got their market share is because they are the FREE phones carriers give out. And most people won't pay for a phone....

However, for the longest time, the #1 wireless carrier in the USA (Verizon) had no Nokias, and neither did Sprint (#4), as Nokia didn't do CDMA well. So, when you went with Verizon, you got a much better phone from LG or Motorola (My LG-TM-510 was one of the best phones I ever had) and did not get a Nokia. And then you have Nextel who is getting good market share only using Motorola....

Nokia is doomed.

And then there is their crappy styling - the rotary phone (????) and the ones with the odd keypads, etc. Their phones plain stink.

Umm...ok. I left Verizon for a Nokia 6600 and T-Mobile. The phone is easily the best I've ever owned.

The new nokias, particularly the 6630 and the 6260, look great. Maybe one will be my next phone; but for now, I'm really happy with my 6600.

[zubro]

Originally posted by mbryda:
Nokia has been a has-been for quite a while. In short, Nokias have been junk for a long time. The only reason they got their market share is because they are the FREE phones carriers give out. And most people won't pay for a phone....

However, for the longest time, the #1 wireless carrier in the USA (Verizon) had no Nokias, and neither did Sprint (#4), as Nokia didn't do CDMA well. So, when you went with Verizon, you got a much better phone from LG or Motorola (My LG-TM-510 was one of the best phones I ever had) and did not get a Nokia. And then you have Nextel who is getting good market share only using Motorola....

Nokia is doomed.

And then there is their crappy styling - the rotary phone (????) and the ones with the odd keypads, etc. Their phones plain stink.

Hello AMERICA!!!

Here is Europe, you know "overseas"?...

In ou rmarket (bigger than yours actually) Nokia is a top ref. and Moto represents... not much, I do not have numbers but if they have 5% I think it would be it! ;o)

Different markets, different needs, different cultures,... -blah-

...

[zubro]

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
In an attempt to save their falling market share, Nokia has announced 5 new models to be released later this year.

Discuss.

I do discuss!

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,73,00.html

that is the source! They have plenty of new stuff to come from cool youngsters design to sleek/class ones.
I think that they target quite well their market!
But then again, it is from a EU point of view...
Is that true that US people need to pull out an antenna of their phones?...
Here, if a phone has an antenna, it will never sell!...

"different cultures, different ..."

[Link]

Out here in the US, nokia is considered the honda of cellphones. Many people hate them while others adore them and rice them out with lighted keypads, translucent faceplates, and all that ugly garbage.

Personally I never liked nokia phones. The menu system sucks, the input is lousy, and they're easy to get lost/stolen because so many people have them.

Not to mention nokia isn't exactly afraid to try ridiculous keyboard layouts like the birth control pill one, the one with the keys around the sides of the phone, and all those ugly hideous designs. Why companies can't stick with something simple and leave it at that, I don't know... but nokia is typically one of the worst at this game.

Sony seems to be trying to gain respect in the market, and while they love to hold back their super-duper-awesome phones from the "stupid american market", they release them a year or two later.

Anyway, the only nokia I really like is that 6260.. damn that's simple and nice

[Zoom]

Originally posted by Macfreak7:
In an attempt to save their falling market share, Nokia has announced 5 new models to be released later this year.

Link

6630 - Smartphone, has everything except a bigger touch screen.
6260 - Interesting new design.
6170 - This seems to have the nicest new design, but again it lacks bluetooth functionality.
2650 - Meh.
2600 - Boring.

Discuss.

Do ANY of these have BlueTooth? If so, how likely is it that Apple will support it with iSync?

I'm personally waiting for the Sony Ericsson Z600.

[tae667]

I'll stay with my 7610. I've had z600 for 6 months and my opinion is that flip phones suck.

People living in developing countries(America) can comment Nokia's phones when they can buy 7610, which is probably going to happen sometime in the next decade.

[simonjames]

how are Nokia phones at sunching with Mac s/ware? I am about to buy a new phone and as I believe the nokia interface to be superior I was going to stick with the brand.

[Randman]

I have a 6600 and it syncs fine via bluetooth.

[veryniceguy2002]

The problem with Nokia (at least in Asia-Pacific region):

1. The cost more compare to similar models from other vendors

2. They don't make many flip or clamshell phones (only Nokia 6108 and Nokia 7200 until yesterday). Asians like flip or clamshell phones, and Korean brands like Samsung or LG made a lot of these, and they got market share. Motorola realised this in the last 1-2 years and make more clamshell phones, and their market share reversed.

3. The quality of Nokia phones had been gone bad in the last few years (compare to late 90's). A lot of Asians avoided Nokia after their bad experience (especially on Nokia 8210/8250).

4. Too many Nokia GSM models... especially they had several models which had exactly same functions but just a different looks, released within 2-3 months! Now, salespersons just had (still is!) a hard time to tell people which Nokia model to buy from 5-6 Nokia models which had similar functions. (This is the same problem as Apple had back in the mid '90s)

[simonjames]

I, for one, don't like a phone with any moving parts. Any clam shell design justs begs to be broken. My 4 years exposure to nokia is a bt boring but the 3 phones work fine (all do still) its just they aren't bluetooth and I am (hopefully) going to get a 17" pb next week and it just begs for a bluetooth compatible phone.

[mdc]

i am personally over the whole everything in a cellphone. i want the 2600 (yes i like the plain look of it) but i want it with bluetooth. *has* to have bluetooth.

until then, i'll stick with something like my t616, i got it because it has bluetooth and it is as plain looking as possible.

[Socially Awkward Solo]

The flips are actually really attractive but why do they not have displays on the outside to show you who is calling without having to open it?

I also bet they all get really bad battery life like most Nokia's.

[Zoom]

Originally posted by tae667:
I'll stay with my 7610. I've had z600 for 6 months and my opinion is that flip phones suck.

Wanna sell your z600?

I hate candybar phones because I always have to lock and unlock the buttons. I didn't use to like clamshells because you couldn't see who was calling you without opening the phone. That's changed now that most clamshells have an external display for caller ID. The z600 looks a little big, but I think I can handle it.

Otherwise, I really like the T616. I was going to get one till my friend bought a Motorola MPX200 (clamshell). I realized that I prefer that form factor (though I don't like that model).

[ChadC]

Originally posted by mbryda:
Nokia has been a has-been for quite a while. In short, Nokias have been junk for a long time. The only reason they got their market share is because they are the FREE phones carriers give out. And most people won't pay for a phone....

However, for the longest time, the #1 wireless carrier in the USA (Verizon) had no Nokias, and neither did Sprint (#4), as Nokia didn't do CDMA well. So, when you went with Verizon, you got a much better phone from LG or Motorola (My LG-TM-510 was one of the best phones I ever had) and did not get a Nokia. And then you have Nextel who is getting good market share only using Motorola....

Nokia is doomed.

And then there is their crappy styling - the rotary phone (????) and the ones with the odd keypads, etc. Their phones plain stink.

HAHAHAHAHAH... I am surprised you don't praise Microsoft as well. I don't mean to be a an asshole, but I just can't deal with this. Motorola and LG, i have owned 1 of each, both broke within a couple months of buying them. Every single person I know has more problems with their motorola and LG phones(whether it Be Nextel, Verizon, Cingular, etc) then anybody I know with others(siemens, nokia, samsung, etc.). I had a Nokia for 4 years and never had a problem with it(yes it was the 5600 series that was free and everyone had). I then switched from cingular to Verizon and had the same phone(b/c for a time nokia made the 5600 with an antenna for Verizon). That phone finally broke when I accidentally dropped it from 3 stories in the air. I then followed that with an LG and was extrememly unimpressed with it(form was nice but function was horrible). I then switched back to Cingular and had the Motorola v60 which promptly broke within a month of having it. I now have a Siemens s56 which I am happy with but not extremely happy. It is nice but has some bugs(mainly the software itself crashing, quite werd but not common). And honestly my next step is most likely going to be to go back to a Nokia. The menu system is tried and tested, the phones(not all(i.e. rotary ****) but most) solve the form problem splendidly. Well, as always, all my opinion.

-Chad

[mbryda]

Originally posted by Timo:
Umm...ok. I left Verizon for a Nokia 6600 and T-Mobile. The phone is easily the best I've ever owned.

The new nokias, particularly the 6630 and the 6260, look great. Maybe one will be my next phone; but for now, I'm really happy with my 6600.

Maybe that's why I don't like Nokias. I need a reliable PHONE, not toy or fashion statement. And after all, the first requirement for cellphone service is to be a great phone. Nokias have never been great phones - decent, but the reception and such is usually subpar.

For now,I carry a T720c on Verizon and it gets great reception and that's all that counts. It's not sleek or sexy, but it is built like a tank (I'm hard on phoneS) and just works.

[mbryda]

Originally posted by ChadC:
HAHAHAHAHAH... I am surprised you don't praise Microsoft as well. I don't mean to be a an asshole, but I just can't deal with this. Motorola and LG, i have owned 1 of each, both broke within a couple months of buying them. Every single person I know has more problems with their motorola and LG phones(whether it Be Nextel, Verizon, Cingular, etc) then anybody I know with others(siemens, nokia, samsung, etc.).

That's funny - the TM510 was one of Verizon's better sellers. The LG VX4400 was/is the least returned phone Verizon sells. The LG VX6000 (camera phone) is a great phone and is pretty durable.

As one who had a TM-510 for 2 years who dropped, threw, and generally abused his phone and still ahd it work perfectly, I know it was a durable phone. Then I gave it to the wife who used it for 9 more months before she upgraded.

And I have the 720, which people say sucks. Yet it has great reception (I live in mountanous areas) and has been tortured for the last 1.5 years and still works perfectly.

Let's contrast to: (all owned by me or my wife)
Nokia 232 - nice small phone - reception was HORRIBLE compared to the DPC550 it replaced.
Nokia 2160i - Ok phone, but crappy reception.
Nokia 5190 - Ok phone, crappy reception - died after about a year.
Nokia 6190 - Cool phone, OK reception.
Nokia 8260 - POS - Went through 2 as warranty replacements and HORRIBLE reception. Useless in the mountains.
Motorola DPC550 - Crappy UI, but built like a tank and could hold reception like nothing else.
Startac 7797 - Small + good reception. Decent UI
LG TM-510 - OK UI, but great reception.
Audiovox CDM-8600 - POS Phone and UI, and poor reception
Kyocera Phantom - Great reception and OK UI

I've had my share of phones, both Nokia and Non-Nokia.

was nice but function was horrible). I then switched back to Cingular and had the Motorola v60 which promptly broke within a month of having it.

The V.60 TDMA (dependind where you had Cingular) was not a good phone - the V.60 CDMA is a great phone - don't know what they did different, but the TDMA version was a little more fragile. I've known people who ahve beaten the CR@P out of the V.60 and it keeps on ticking.

Nokia. The menu system is tried and tested, the phones(not all(i.e. rotary ****) but most) solve the form problem splendidly.

That's a laugh. How about their keyboards where the numbers are not in a line (1-2-3, etc) and are slightly off from the next? I'm sorry, but the recent Nokias are a disaster from a usability standpoint and a PITA when you are trying to say, drive (where you should be concentrating on the road) and dial....

[Timo]

Dude, fine, whatever: don't get a nokia. I got a Nokia 6600 and it is the best cell I've ever used, period. My wife can't wait to ditch her top-of-the-line LG for something even remotely like it.

As for synching the 6600, I found I had some problems until I moved my bluetooth adapter on my mac to a USB port on the machine, rather than through a hub (like the keyboard). Now I have no synching problems, and am thinking about ditching my Palm.

[Randman]

Originally posted by mbryda:
and a PITA when you are trying to say, drive (where you should be concentrating on the road) and dial....

You don't mean the sandwich bread when you say pita, do you?
Anyway, with the 6600, all you need to do is use a bluetooth headset. Or just use the Speakerphone if you don't have a handsfree set (though it comes with a wired handsfree). Or, and use voice commands. Push a button, say a name (such as *g/f's name*, office and it dials her at work.
Or push a button and activate an application via voice, such as "date" and the calendar shows (that's been synced).
I can play n-gage games, I can watch videos, I can listen to mp3s, I can surf the web, I can check e-mail, even on my .Mac account via third-party app.
My phone reads signals I've programmed into an app that makes it change profiles at certain locations. When I go to my fave movie theatre, it automatically switches to a silent mode and an automated sms is sent to any callers or smsers that I'm unavailable for the time being and will get back with them.

Battery life is very good. The screen is excellent in daylight. The sound good, the reception is very, very strong and I've had no problems with it so far in the US, Asia, Europe and Australia.

Now that, imho, is a phone worth having.

[tae667]

Originally posted by mbryda:
Maybe that's why I don't like Nokias. I need a reliable PHONE, not toy or fashion statement.

Latest cell phones aren't just phones anymore. They're both PDAs and entertainment devices: I use my Nokia 7610(which is a smartphone with megapixel camera) as an email client & web browser(Opera), IR remote for my stereo & TV, bluetooth remote & modem with my mac laptop, portable calendar and as a classic gaming console emulator. It's also a good phone, it has same OS than the praised Nokia 6600.

Only EDGE(high speed mobile internet which isn't probably availaable in the US) is missing, but I have broadband in home and EDGE doesn't work in my city outside downtown, so I'd have to use GPRS even if 7610 had EDGE.

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
The flips are actually really attractive but why do they not have displays on the outside to show you who is calling without having to open it?

I also bet they all get really bad battery life like most Nokia's.

They do have displays outside and battery life is very good, since the main display is almost always off.

[maxintosh]

Originally posted by mbryda:
Nokias have never been great phones - decent, but the reception and such is usually subpar.

Eh? Nokia easily makes the best antennae and radios on the market. They may have other problems, but their phones are the reception benchmarks that all other phones are compared to. Howard Chui, Mobileburn, etc. all know and respect this.

This is coming from someone whose phones are two Sony Ericssons. (t68i and p800)

[mitchell_pgh]

Nokia seems to be "the average" good, but not great.

[mbryda]

Originally posted by maxintosh:
Eh? Nokia easily makes the best antennae and radios on the market. They may have other problems, but their phones are the reception benchmarks that all other phones are compared to. Howard Chui, Mobileburn, etc. all know and respect this.

This is coming from someone whose phones are two Sony Ericssons. (t68i and p800)

That's funny, as Steve Punter, who tests quite a few phones puts Nokia as mediocre.

From http://www.arcx.com/sites/RF%20Performance.htm

"It is also under these conditions where the phones can be compared for their ability to deal with weak signals. Even if both phones hold on to the signal to the same point in the hall, one might degrade more rapidly than another. A good example of this was the Motorola P280. It had a phenomenal ability to crank out error-free audio almost to the point of the signal's non-existence. Virtually no other GSM phone seemed to have that ability, though some did come close at the time. Others start to produce audio problems very early on, and things just get worse until the signal fades away.

Another aspect of RF performance is the phone's ability to hold on to the network while it is idling. I test this ability in "free space" (with the phone held away from my body with the antenna pointing up), and in places on my body where the phone would commonly be carried. This type of testing sometimes reveals severe problems with RF sensitivity when the phone is put in close proximity to the body. Many of today's smaller phones beg to be carried in a shirt pocket, yet some phones suffer incredible signal losses when you do this. Perhaps the worst phones of all for this were the old Nokia 6190 and 5190."

I still say Motorola makes the best radios for their phones. While I do enjoy Howard's site, I often wonder about his reviews. For instance, he basically hated the Startac 7797 (TDMA Tri-Mode) and didn't like the RF performance. However, here in the mountains, it worked better than most phones?!?!?!

[mbryda]

Originally posted by tae667:
Latest cell phones aren't just phones anymore. They're both PDAs and entertainment devices: I use my Nokia 7610(which is a smartphone with megapixel camera) as an email client & web browser(Opera), IR remote for my stereo & TV, bluetooth remote & modem with my mac laptop, portable calendar and as a classic gaming console emulator. It's also a good phone, it has same OS than the praised Nokia 6600.

And the phones are excellent at NOTHING. Jack of all trades, master of none. Do they have the same functionality and application availability as a Palm? Is synching as easy? I'll take my Tungsten, thanks.

Phones are finally getting 1 megapixel cameras. Yay, whopdee friggin' doo. The quality of even those cameras is poor, and with no zoom, worthless. I have a 3MP Canon SD110 that is about as big as a deck of cards and will make images that will put even the best camera phone to shame. Call me when they actuallly integrate the cameras well.

Email on the phone is cool and all, but I usually have a laptop with me for that, especially when I'm travelling.

And web browsing, while cool for about all of 30 seconds is useless on, even a Palm Tungsten or PocketPC...

[Link]

I find it hilarious how the flip vs flat argument has become like mac vs pc arguments.

Honestly, what we have here is:

*people who like flat phones and say clamshells break too easily

*people who never have probs with clamshells and don't like the flat ones for their own reasons (I'm one of these)

*people that like sony and hate nokia
*people that like nokia and hate everything else
*People who like the 'euro' phones == nokia,

[janmc]

I've had Moto, Sony Ericson, Nokia and Siemens phones, and I have to say Nokia win hands down. I prefer a flip phone - so got a Moto v535 initially, but eventually persuaded a friend to switch with me. I've a Nokia 3200 now and I'm surviving without bluetooth. I prefer Nokia menus and find them more stable. Nokia do produce more flashy phones for the huge teenage market - but I think that's to their credit.

All the makes have their advantages, but because Nokias are so popular here, someone always has a charger! A definite plus for a dizzy blonde!

[Socially Awkward Solo]

Originally posted by tae667:

They do have displays outside and battery life is very good, since the main display is almost always off.

The 2650 has no display on the outside and according to the Nokia specs they all have pathetic battery life.



2-4 hours. The highest end model has the worst battery life. Nothing new here.