[Eug Wanker]

[spiky_dog]

Originally posted by aaanorton:
Digital has a much higher dynamic range than any film. It's just that exposing for it properly is a problem. True, highlights blow out quickly, but if they are exposed for correctly, everything else falls into place. It's more like exposing for chrome film, where all you are concerned with are the highlights.

please provide a source that states that digital sensors have a greater dynamic range than film. all sources i've seen point to a ~6 stop DR for dSLRs. i'm quite sure that film, especially b&w, can do better than that.

(oh, and my 20D should ship soon! )

final thought: the 17-85 may be acceptably sharp but it's still really slow. i can live with slow wide lenses -- i sport the 12-24 f/4.5-5.6, sheesh -- but slow normal and portrait focal length lenses, no thanks.

[fhoubi]

Let's hope the new 20D is not a POS as the 300D, my under- and overexposes at random, with or without flash. Looks if it does one pixel metering, instead of 35 zones. I love my i865 printer, but the 300D sucks great.

[Eug Wanker]

1 GB CompactFlash card on the 20D = 240ish JPEGs according to the camera. And the 20D can shoot 36 shots in 7 seconds.

I'm sure glad I have a DVD burner in my laptop.

[rozwado1]

Any of these cameras produce images big enough for 30" Cinema wallpaper?

[spiky_dog]

Originally posted by rozwado1:
Any of these cameras produce images big enough for 30" Cinema wallpaper?

yes. 3504 x 2336 (20D) >> 2560 x 1600 (30 cinema)

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by spiky_dog:
yes. 3504 x 2336 (20D) >> 2560 x 1600 (30 cinema)

Full-size sample images.

Friggin humungous.

[CatOne]

Originally posted by fhoubi:
Let's hope the new 20D is not a POS as the 300D, my under- and overexposes at random, with or without flash. Looks if it does one pixel metering, instead of 35 zones. I love my i865 printer, but the 300D sucks great.

This isn't the camera's fault, it's YOUR fault. Standard matrix metering goes for 18% gray. If you shoot with a really bright sky or something really dark, and the range of the photo is more than 5 stops, the camera has to guess.

If you know how to shoot, you can just set the exposure compensation to perfectly expose what you want to expose. The camera has to guess if you shoot in program mode and have a wide range of brightnesses... don't blame the camera if it guesses wrong -- TELL it how you want it to expose the photo. NO camera will do it perfectly every time... it's not possible.

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
3) Adobe Photoshop doesn't recognize the 20D's 12-bit RAW images yet.

Does the new Camera Raw 2.3 support your D20? It's not officially listed, but I have heard that it may work.

[Eug Wanker]

Here are my pix

Originally posted by aaanorton:
Does the new Camera Raw 2.3 support your D20? It's not officially listed, but I have heard that it may work.

Dunno. I don't shoot RAW (yet).

[Lancer409]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Holy crap! Check out how fast this camera is taking real life pix. The 5 frames per second is no lie.

pretty ...

pricey ...
pretty pricey ... great camera though ... i'd love to have one =P

[Powaqqatsi]

How are you liking the D20 Eug ?

[LiquidSnake]

Originally posted by aaanorton:
Does the new Camera Raw 2.3 support your D20? It's not officially listed, but I have heard that it may work.

Yes the new Adobe raw plugin supports the D20's raw images.
I love my 20D

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
How are you liking the D20 Eug ?

I luv it of course.

However, this is from a person coming from the Canon G2. The consumer point-and-shoots simply don't have either the flexibility or the image quality. I also have a couple of film cameras, but it just costs too much to take pix. My Italy pix were from well over a 1000 taken in a period of just a couple of weeks. Still, I have a place in my heart for my el cheapo medium format twin-lens reflex camera:

[aaanorton]

Originally posted by LiquidSnake:
Yes the new Adobe raw plugin supports the D20's raw images.
I love my 20D

It's funny that the 20D isn't "officially" supported, but I'm glad it works. Have you tried converting any to .DNG yet?

[ranga]

Originally posted by fhoubi:
my [300D] under- and overexposes at random, with or without flash.

I have a 300D, and I'm quite happy w/ the camera and the picture quality.

I have also noticed the tendency to over/under-expose, and found that one way to compensate for this is to use exposure bracketing w/ rapid shooting enabled. This allows you to take three pictures: one at the current stop, one below the current stop and one above the current stop (can be 1/3 or full stops). Usually one of the three will have the correct exposure.

Bracketing does eat up space on a cf card, but considering that a 1 GB SanDisk Ultra2 CF card is about $100 these days, bracketing doesn't seem like a big burden to me.

--ranga

[Eug Wanker]

Canon 20D 1.0.4 firmware

"1. Fixes the problem of shutter release not working.

In rare cases, the camera freezes and the shutter stops working if a lens removed or attached while the camera is in auto power off mode. (In other cases, the camera might hang up during continuous shooting.) - This problem has been fixed.

2. Improves reliability when using some CF cards.

Improved reliability of communication with CF cards"

I have had problem #1 once, but not problem #2.

Beware though, although the firmware update works fine for most people, a couple out there now have dead 20Ds.

[LiquidSnake]

Originally posted by aaanorton:
It's funny that the 20D isn't "officially" supported, but I'm glad it works. Have you tried converting any to .DNG yet?

Thank's No not tryed yet but i will

[spiky_dog]

Originally posted by spiky_dog:
(oh, and my 20D should ship soon! )

it's shipping tomorrow!

[littlegreenspud]

ranga,

If you shoot in Raw mode you can adjust the exposure when you open the picture, either in Photoshop or using the Canon software.

You could also use the spot metering to ensure the photo is exposed to your satisfation.

[fhoubi]

Originally posted by CatOne:
This isn't the camera's fault, it's YOUR fault.

Really? I laugh my socks off. How comes that NO slide of my approx. 30 rolls of slides taken in the last 2 years has this problem? With a cheapy EOS300? And slides range is what, comparable 5..6 stops?

Should I send you some original files with less than 5 stops exposure range, taking the same frame, within seconds, with dramatic random exposure?

[fhoubi]

Hurray to another Canon quality control!