I just checked Toast's web site and found they have posted an update for toast to version 4.1.2 . has anyone downloaded it and know if it fix's any of the QPS firewire burning audio problems? Toasts update page is: http://www.adaptec.com/support/advis...es/toast4.html

I installed the update and it fixed my problems with disc-at-once and noise at the end of tracks with the QPS 8-4-32.

I cant believe it! I'm on top of things for a change!

Anyway, I posted in that other thread that my Que Firewire 12x10x32 froze twice on track 10 when trying to burn an audio cd.

I updated the Toast to 4.1.2 and it worked great!!!!!!!

I burned my first cd (I'm a virgin!) 15 tracks, approx 55min, at 8x, in approx 6min!!!
I'm listening to it now and it sounds flawless!

p.s. How do I get the Que drive to show up on my desktop? And how do you playback cds using it? Sorry, told you I was a virgin to all of this...


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[GORDYmac]

My advice with upgrading Toast: If it ain't broke, don't upgrade it. I've had more headaches upgrading Toast, than actually using it. I'll stick with 4.1.1, especially since I've already hacked it to perfection.

Of course, if it is broke, upgrade away.

[anthology123]

My Toast 4.0 had its DAO dissappear (DAO was DOA?), and the 4.1 update brought it back.

My recent problem is 4.1 won't burn an audio CD from 320 mpbs MP3 files. Does anyone else have this problem?

[murbot]

I'm glad to hear the update is out - hopefully all the people who posted their troubles will update their versions and post the results. I've been waiting on this for a few days while waiting for my Cube to arrive. Had made my mind up to go with the Sony Spressa 12x8x32, but may rethink again after this news.

So far I copied 5 audio CD's with no problem. Looks like the Toast/QPS problems are fixed...for now.

I have used 4.0.2 with no probs on my Que Firewire burner. Both 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 can't find my drive. I checked for the SIM extension which Adaptec said would conflict. Staying with the old, but good version.

[senojeel]

I had the same problem as norwestie. I've tried disabling extensions and other things, but nothing has worked yet.

OK, I must be doing something very very wrong with my Que 8x4x32x FW drive with my Pismo . I updated to the 4.1.2 version, updated the 2.14 firmware, updated to FW 2.5 but still headaches galore.

I no longer have the drive hang on me when burning MP3s either directly from Toast or from Soundjam 2.5.2. Instead I have an error message that appears midway through the burn stating that there is a "MacOS error 9377" and that the drive cannot complete the task. The drive then spits out a coaster with 3-5 successfully burned tracks and a whole lot of garbage. When I put the disk into the Powerbook's DVD drive, it appears to be formatted with the correct number of tracks but not all of them make it on. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to when the error message will occur.

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong: I use a minimal extension set( Toast, Quicktime, Firewire and CD extensions only); set the RAM cache to 64 megs, reduced burn speed to 4X. I have even left the 2 sec pause between tracks. Toast recognizes my drive and a self test passes with flying colours but any attempt at a burn either with DAO or session at once fails. I have 192 of RAM and OS 9.04

QPS has been, well, sluggish in their responses to my questions.

If anyone out there can give me an idea what I 'm doing wrong please please please post something. I' m going nuts. i just want to burn MP3s and every solution that has worked for others has failed in my situation. Do I just have a bum drive?

BTW: CD master will NOT recognize this drive.

Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help me figure this out.

BTW: the disk cache was set at "Startup volume" in the Preferences window; would this make a difference; I have since changed it to my PB hard disk but I have run out of CDRs (argh).

Graham Wong
gwong5@po-box.mcgill.ca

BTW: I have burned a couple of data disks with no problem whatsoever; its just audio disks that cause the nastiness. I haven't tried "backing up" an audio CD yet; too scared to.....

Here's what happened to me with the Toast "fix".

Toast 4.1.1 didn't work with my plextor drive (packaged by Lacie), it kept inserting either gaps or snippets of audio between tracks. I called and bitched at Lacie, and they just told me to chill and wait for 4.1.2, which would fix everything. So I waited, trying to be happy that I could at least back up my files with Toast.

Today I installed 4.1.2. Now, I can't burn any CDRs at all! I tried using 4 different configurations for burning files to CDR, and all I got was 4 coasters. They didn't verify, Toast said they had bad sectors, and when I put them in my G4's DVD drive, they crashed my system! Then I tried burning audio and even more coasters! As if 4.1.1 wasn't bad enough, Adaptec actually found a way to make 4.1.2 even worse!

I am so hopping mad right now...its a good thing I don't own any guns. I'm about ready to storm Adaptec HQ and set things straight. Seriously, I'm going to call MacMall and Lacie tomorrow and see if I can get my money back on this piece of sh!t drive. If not, I don't know what to do. What a disaster, $375 for garbage! I wish I was a PC user right about now.

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Phaedrus:

Have you got any of those MacOS 9377 errors as well? What the bejeeezus are those about?
Like you, whenever I try and get "Disk Info" on any one of my new partially burned coasters, my Pismo crashes as well.

Which Que model do you have?

I share your pain.....

[senojeel]

If you have a Que drive and Toast doesn't recognize it, make sure that the Que!Fire extension that came with the QUe drive is disabled. That solved my problems and if I remember right I had to do that back when I woriginally got the drive also.

[TheGreatButcher]

Ever since I updated past 4.1 I've been unable to burn at 1x on my QPS Que Drive - can anyone tell me why?

[thndrdan88]

I don't know what you guys are doing, but I have used every version of toast without any problems. I used it on my Rev. D iMac with a Sony Supressa 4x2x32 and now using it on my brand new iMac DVSE with a Que Fire 12x10x32. I have never had the audio pops or gaps in my music CD's. Toast even recognizes both my Que Fire and Supress drives. I burn my audio on 12x with buffer underrun protection on and have NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, made a coaster. I am wondering if you all are using Toast Deluxe or the OEM. I am personally using the Deluxe version. Maybe that is why I'm not having any problems. I have also always been able to mount my discs from either drive.

I hope you all get your problems worked out, but you guys make it sound like Que and Adaptec are just crappy companies. They are not. They put out quality products that most of us can use flawlessly. I also own Jam and it is an incredible program also.

I just want to let people who are browsing this discussion board that are considering updating Toast or buying a Que Fire drive that it's not all bad. Some of us are actually very happy with both products.

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[Elifarley]

I wonder if this update fixes a problem found in the previous version: If you burn a CD using the "Mac files and folders" mode, you loose ALL the text from the info windows. I found it out the hard way: after I burnt a CD and tried to read the file comments.. POOF!! They were all gone!

[Zephyrus]

Uh, maybe it's just me but I have had no problems with my Que 8x 4x 32x FireWire CD-RW with Toast Delux.

Every burn is perfect, be it audio or data. Never had a failed burn, never had an error message.

Maybe some people are trying to use 21x 8x 32x on a USB (if there is such a thing) connection. I would see issues with that (USB is simply not designed for sustained high-speed data transfer. THUS, FireWire.) Maybe not, but I have seen absolutly no issues with either my Que drive or Toast delux.

[marka]

I've burned over a hundred data CDs with NO problems whatever, most at 12x. I've burned a few dozen CDRWs with NO problems, at 4x.

I HAD BEEN experiencing two problems burning audio CDs:

1) Disk-At-Once (DAO) problem (hang) and
2) a snippet of audio of the previous track occasionally inserted at the start of the succeeding track.

As promised from Adaptec, Toast 4.1.2 update has FIXED BOTH of these problems.

Only one anomaly remains: To burn DAO I have to turn of file sharing. I can live with that. (This may be a memory or other issue.)

MacOS 9.0.4
iMac DV SE 400
G4 500x2 (not yet tested)
Toast OEM 4.1.2 (not yet tested)
Toast Delxue 4.1.2
QPS Que!Fire FireWeed 12x10x32x CDR/CDRW
FireWire 2.5 extension
QPS firmware update 2.14 applied
QPS FireWire bridge NOT enabled


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Does the following sound familiar to anyone here?

I have now upgraded to 4.1.2, but am loathed to waste any more Audio CD's before I know that there is fair chance that it will actullay work
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my set-up:

LaCie FireWire CD-RW 8x4x24
Toast v.4.1.1 (upgraded from orig. 4.1 version)
G4/450
British Mac OS 8.6
Apple FireWire 2.3.3 (as I cannot run 2.5 with the British OS 8.6)

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Having just acquired the above drive and taking my first tentative steps towards burning, I am having problems with Audio CD's.

I did exactly as asked, dragged the CD on to the Toast window, set it to "Audio CD", set the speed to 1x (and on another occasion to 2x), did a "Simulate" run, which went ok, and then clicked "Write Disk".

The beach ball keeps spinning and the thing never gets beyond the, I think it' said "Lead-in write" stage. Twenty minutes later then, I force-quit Toast, re-start, get a paper click and extract (because it doesnt work the normal way) the ruined - apart from about 15 seconds of music - CD. Any idea, what's going on here?

I did have a thought, though. I used the CDDB function to name the CD and the tracks. Could it be that this puts something on my HD that prevents me from copying my own CD, for my own pleasure?

Also, where is the tracks and title information stored? I am very curious about that.

And another thing... from the LaCie Read Me file:

After the computer has been started, connect the power cord to your drive, plug into the AC wall outlet, and turn the drive on. Connect the FireWire cable to the rear of the drive, and then to a free FireWire port on your computer, or daisy chain to another FireWire peripheral.

Now cumbersome as this sounds, this is in fact the only way I can get Toast to recognise the drive. If all the cables are plugged in already when I start the Mac, and I then switch on the LaCie drive, Toast tells me to check the cable connections. I find that weird, as I thought FireWire has hot plugability.

Thanks already, fellow burners.

N_D_Y

I also have those pesky MacOs error Result Code = -9380 & i also get -9377 everytime i burn from MP3's through Toast Deluxe 4, 4.1, 4.1.2... there was a time when it was working then the next day literally it stopped i tried everything and i mean everything to get it working again.. and iam at a loss... i even tried moving stuff from one harddrive to another thinking maybe the OS was having a problem reading the files off one drive.. but still does not work... My drive is supported according to toast and i can burn just about everything else fine including audio cd's "IF" i convert them to AIFF.. but MP3's just won't burn anymore... I have a Firewire Fantom 8x4x32 drive its a Mashuita(sp?) Any help would be appreciated .. its just apain to convert the files to AIFF... would like to use that great option in Toast Deluxe. Thanks in Advance...

Chris -
cg@demented.com

I want to assure everyone that the Toast 4.1.2 does work with the firewire drives. However, CD-R discs have not been specifically discussed relative to ongoing recording problems.

Bottom line: Don't buy cheap CD-R's (Great Quality brand, etc.) to save $0.10 to $0.20 per CD-R and then complain that the drives don't burn correctly.

Go to the website of your drive manufacturer to learn what they suggest for CD-R media. I promise that no matter what they recommend it can be bought for $1 per CD-R, and typically for a lot less than that.

[Not_Dark_Yet]

Not a reply, but a problem.

I have just been testing my new drive with Toast, and everytime I add something (at the moment just files) to the (test) CD-RW disk, I get another icon, so now I have three icons for the one CD on my desktop: Test CD, Untitled CD & Untitled CD.

How can I avoid this?

LaCie FireWire CD-RW 8x4x24
Toast v.4.1.2
G4/450
British Mac OS 8.6
Apple FireWire 2.3.3 (as I cannot run 2.5 with the British OS 8.6)

Anybody any idea? Thanks in advance, already, Fellow Burners.

Not_Dark_Yet-
This happens when you click on "Write Session". This is set up so you don't have to erase your CDRW each time you want to add something to it.
If you don't want this to happen, then click on "Wite Disk", but if you do that, then you have to erase your disk before you add anything to it next time.

[Not_Dark_Yet]

Thanks, Kumar.

This happens when you click on "Write Session".
Yeah, that's what I did.

This is set up so you don't have to erase your CDRW each time you want to add something to it.
What is the situation when I want to add something later to a CD-R disk? Will I again end up with two, three, four icons depending on how often I added stuff?

If you don't want this to happen, then click on "Wite Disk", but if you do that, then you have to erase your disk before you add anything to it next time.
Meaning I am not really adding anything then.

Thanks again.

N_D_Y

QUESTION: Can anyone recommend a labelling kit? Which is better, for instance, Neato or Stomper?

N_D_Y-
Yes, each time you want to add something to your CDRW you will get a new icon. I wasn't clear on the "Write Disk" option. When you use the "Write Disk" button, you are telling Toast to write the disk once (with whatever you are putting on it) without allowing any more writes on that disk later, unless you erase it first.

[Not_Dark_Yet]

I'm with you,Kumar. Thanks.

I add 800 files, and I get 800 icons = nice desktop

And another thing, if I may. When I want to close the Toast window, I'm asked: "Save changes to 'Untitled Disk' befor closing?" What does this mean?

And finally, are you any good with burning Auio CD's, cause I've a lille problem there too?

Thanks again.

N_D_Y

Originally posted by Not_Dark_Yet:
I'm with you,Kumar. Thanks.

I add 800 files, and I get 800 icons = nice desktop

And another thing, if I may. When I want to close the Toast window, I'm asked: "Save changes to 'Untitled Disk' befor closing?" What does this mean?

And finally, are you any good with burning Auio CD's, cause I've a lille problem there too?

Thanks again.

N_D_Y

If you save changes, then Toast will create a file that remembers what you put on the disk. I've burn't plenty of audio cd's. Whats your questions?

[Not_Dark_Yet]

Thanks, Kumar. Well, you asked for it.

My set-up:
* LaCie FireWire CD-RW 8x4x24
* Toast v.4.1.1
* G4/450
* British Mac OS 8.6
* Apple FireWire 2.3.3 (as I cannot run 2.5 with the British OS 8.6)

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I did exactly as demanded, dragged the CD on to the Toast window, set it to "Audio CD", set the speed to 1x (and on another occasion to 2x), did a "Simulate" run, which went o.k., and then clicked "Write Disk" for the real thing.

The beach ball just kept spinning and the thing never got beyond the, I think it' said "Lead-in write" stage. Twenty minutes later or so, I was forced to force-quit Toast, re-start, get a paper click and extract (because it doesnt work the normal way) the ruined - apart from about 15 seconds of music - CD. This happened three times in a row.

I have since upgraded to Toast 4.1.2 but am somewhat reluctant to try again before I know where the fault could lie. BTW there no problems burning CD's other than Audio CD's.

I did have a thought, though. I used the CDDB function to name the CD and the tracks. Could it be that this puts something on my HD that prevents me from copying my own CD, for my own pleasure ?

Also, where is the tracks and title information stored? I am very curious about that.

And another thing... from the LaCie Read Me file:

After the computer has been started, connect the power cord to your drive, plug into the AC wall outlet, and turn the drive on. Connect the FireWire cable to the rear of the drive, and then to a free FireWire port on your computer, or daisy chain to another FireWire peripheral.

Now, cumbersome as this sounds, this is in fact the only way I can get Toast to recognise the drive. If all the cables are plugged in already when I start the Mac, and I then switch on the LaCie drive, Toast tells me to check the cable connections. I find that weird, as I thought FireWire has hot plugability.

I have tried to get some support from LaCie - who do not have telephone support - as the Adaptec site tells me they are responsible for the support since Toast came as part of a bundle. LaCie don't respond to my mails, and when I do get someone on the phone they promise to respond to the mail if I send another one to.... blah, blah, blah...

I am going to give them **** later, but for the moment I would just like to sort this out.

Thanks in advance.

N_D_Y

N_D_Y-
Toast 4.1.2 should fix your audio cd problem. I had a similar problem that came after track 3 of any cd that I tried to copy, and the new Toast fixed that. To be sure, make sure you have the right extensions in you extensions folder. CDDB should not effect the write process, but I am not completely sure.
By track and title info being stored, do you mean when you save it? If so, you save it in whatever folder you desire...if you mean something else, then I am not sure.
The problem with you lacie drive sounds strange (ie, having to plug everything in after the computer is started). I don't have a lacie drive, but i would suggest turning everthing on and plugging everything in, then restart your computer and see if that works. Ultimately Toast 4.1.2 should fix these problems. Glad I could help.
-Kumar

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[Not_Dark_Yet]

Kumar

* Toast 4.1.2 should fix your audio cd problem.
I'll give it a go in a few days; need to get away from the puter.

* I had a similar problem that came after track 3 of any cd that I tried to copy, and the new Toast fixed that.
That sounds encouraging.

* To be sure, make sure you have the right extensions in you extensions folder.
Well, I think I do, otherwise it wouldn't work at all, or would it?

* CDDB should not effect the write process, but I am not completely sure. By track and title info being stored, do you mean when you save it?
If I remember correctly, I just clicked on it, once I was on the CDDB site, and, as if by magic, the track and title information appeared. I have been looking to find where it is actually stored - it can't be on the CD - but could not find anything. Maybe it's an invisible file?

* The problem with you lacie drive sounds strange (ie, having to plug everything in after the computer is started). I don't have a lacie drive
I will be having a serious go at LaCie today for not being forthcoming with any support whatsoever.

* but i would suggest turning everthing on and plugging everything in, then restart your computer and see if that works. Ultimately Toast 4.1.2 should fix these problems.
Again, in few days time.

As a side note, have you ever heard of "Heat Utilities"?

As before, many thanks.

N_D_Y


[ edit: Kumar, I came across this just before I was leaving for home:

I had copied my System Folder without problems (same number of files and folders on the CD), but when I wanted to restart from the CD, I got this message: "The disk "System Folder" cannot be selected as the startup device because it does not have a valid System Folder or the disk driver software does not support startup selection". What the blazes is going on here then? Geez... I tried to start up from my G4 CD drive. ]

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[Not_Dark_Yet]

posted in error

[This message has been edited by Not_Dark_Yet (edited 11-23-2000).]

Toast 4.1.2 appears to have fixed my problems; the pesky MacOS errors were a result of buggered MP3 files that were solved by converting them to AIFF using SoundApp 2.7.3. However, a new somewhat annoying problem has happened. I have a Pismo 400Mhz Powerbook and the VST 100Mhz zip drive and the FW 8x4x32 Que Fire writer. After I upgraded my toast to 4.1.2, my Powerbook no longer recognizes the Zip drive after hot swapping it although it is recognized if its in the media bay upon booting. There is another Pismo owner who had reported the same problem with zip drive on the Macintouch site. The problem goes away when you "downgrade" to 4.1.1


Oh well, a small price to pay for burnable CDs....

Graham Wong

[Paul S]

I have an internal HP 9200i SCSI drive in a beige G3. The drive isn't technically a Mac drive. Toast 4.0 recognized it but always had problems. The drive would recognize a 650MB disc as only having 500MB or so available so I could never burn a full CD. With the 4.1.2 update the drive now works perfectly.