[naderby]

Apple will unveil the new device--"hint: it's not a Mac," according to the invitation received by CNET News.com--on Oct. 23 during an event at Apple's Cupertino, Calif., headquarters.

Apple could not immediately be reached for comment about the event or the product, but sources familiar with the company's plans said to expect a digital music device.

The device would fit in with the company's message regarding the Mac OS X operating system, to be used as a hub for what Apple CEO Steve Jobs calls the "digital lifestyle."

Any ideas on what this new none Mac device will be?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-202-7556055.html

MP3 player? It seems that it is some sort of musical device.

[adamtki]

What could be so revolutionary or exciting about a new MP3 player? I was hoping it would be some digital wireless communication device. Maybe the hint that it could be a music device was seeded out there to throw us off.

[Nebrie]

Hopefully an firewire mp3 player with a built in pda

[iKevin]

Not to degrade Apple, but typically anything announced is always hearlded as "Revolutionary".

[rjenkinson]

it's got to be a skwucky!

-r.

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: rjenkinson ]

[Brit Ben]

Originally posted by Nebrie:
<STRONG>Hopefully an firewire mp3 player with a built in pda </STRONG>

It's a firewire something, thats for sure :o)

If apple aren't supporting USB 2.1 then, they're going to run
with firewire for everything. Plus firewire can provide enough
power to recharge some kind of portable peripheral.

I'm not sure about an MP3 player though. There are a lot of them
on the market already, some quite good ones.

A PDA is a little more likely, perhaps.
Ben.

[Nebagakid]

PDA, running Mac OS X Lyte. spelled so hip and cool

waord

[The Placid Casual]

Please please please please please please please let it be a new Newton....

[gotterdamm]

Okay, let's think for a second. Rumors say it's a music device, but not a portable MP3 player.

So think about this: a hot new item from the electronics companies are these MP3 "jukeboxes" that you hook up to your stereo. They are basically a hard-drive equipped PC that plays your imported MP3s. The problem with these jukeboxes is that they have to have hard drives (which are expensive) and you have to import all the songs from your PC. Not to mention they're pretty bulky.

But Apple has something most electronics companies don't have: an already established high-bandwidth network, Airport.
A MP3 jukebox from Apple could include a Airport card and could establish a connection to your Mac's Airport hub and stream the MP3s wirelessly from your Mac's hard drive. All the machine would have to know is your Airport password and where you store your MP3s. And since OS X, your MP3s are all stored in the same default spot. All it would need is a Airport card and a G3 (which is cheap, just look at the Nintendo Gamecube.)
So, no bulky double-shelve sized unit, it could be the least expensive unit on the market, and it would always be up-to-date with all your new downloads since you don't have to copy the MP3 to the jukebox.

It definitely fits in with Steve's "digital hub" strategy.

[Brit Ben]

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
<STRONG>Okay, let's think for a second. Rumors say it's a music device, but not a portable MP3 player.

But Apple has something most electronics companies don't have: an already established high-bandwidth network, Airport.

A MP3 jukebox from Apple could include a Airport card and could establish a connection to your Mac's Airport hub and stream the MP3s wirelessly from your Mac's hard drive.</STRONG>

Good call !

Multiple units could be connected, to allow whole-house audio.
Now, wouldn't it be awesome if you could control the volumes and zones
where the audio played too ?

This would be damn neat !

Ben.

[gotterdamm]

That gives me another idea:
What if Apple created a set-top box like a WebTV unit that just streamed data though Airport and let you access you Mac desktop on your TV. It would be like VNC on a LAN.

It would be WebTV with a hard drive.
You could surf the internet or play Quake from your couch, all powered by a Mac
It would be just as easy to pull off as my jukebox idea.

[Brit Ben]

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
<STRONG>That gives me another idea:
What if Apple created a set-top box like a WebTV unit that just streamed data though Airport and let you access you Mac desktop on your TV. It would be like VNC on a LAN.

It would be WebTV with a hard drive.
You could surf the internet or play Quake from your couch, all powered by a Mac
It would be just as easy to pull off as my jukebox idea.</STRONG>

Bandwidth. reliable bandwidth.

Full motion video, compressed runs about 5Mbit/s.
Anyone who has tried to run VNC across a wireless lan knows the problems.

But again a neat idea. A little more far fetched.
I Love the idea of a digital wireless hub. airport to a whole load of legacy devices... Yep, that would be neat.

Ben.

[gotterdamm]

Originally posted by Brit Ben:
<STRONG>
Bandwidth. reliable bandwidth.
</STRONG>

No prob, Airport can pull 11 megs a second.
That's more than enough for VNC.

Yeah, it's little far-fetched but in a worse-case scenario you can use Firewire.

hint: it's not a Mac; it's a PC!

Whatever it is, there is some evidence of a very big announcement and with a design probably unlike any of Apple's current products: there haven't been any new designs out of Apple in quite a while. I seriously doubt any involvement of Jonathan Ive in the Quicksilver G4 redesign and I remember speculating that he must have been working on a new iMac. Chances are he's been working very hard on whatever the new device is. However, there is also a chance that Apple is introducing something small; a component of some sort, perhaps.

A MP3 jukebox from Apple could include a Airport card and could establish a connection to your Mac's Airport hub and stream the MP3s wirelessly from your Mac's hard drive. All the machine would have to know is your Airport password and where you store your MP3s.

An AirPort MP3 player seems somewhat unlikely. I don't have any numbers, but I think the market would be too small to justify such a big announcement or even a product, especially since I can't see Apple wanting to follow Compaq and especially Dell in a market; regardless of whether they add some questionable bells and whistles to it.

Furthermore, any MP3 jukebox would be too much of a luxury item for most people, who would probably be cheap like me and just get a cable from Radio Shack instead. Maybe there is an important market in the expensive, high fidelity reproduction of free*, generally low fidelity music. Maybe I am very short-sighted. Whatever the case, I can't see the sense in the current rumours and speculation as they stand.

* as in stolen.

[clifhirtle]

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
<STRONG>...A MP3 jukebox from Apple could include a Airport card and could establish a connection to your Mac's Airport hub and stream the MP3s wirelessly from your Mac's hard drive. All the machine would have to know is your Airport password and where you store your MP3s. And since OS X, your MP3s are all stored in the same default spot. All it would need is a Airport card and a G3 (which is cheap, just look at the Nintendo Gamecube.)</STRONG>

Interesting concept.. but it's still missing a one piece - the streaming server software. QTSS is currently *not* a default OS install, requires special QT headers added to any MP3 or video files you want to stream, and (if operating over Airport) is essentially useless once you walk outside your house/wireless range. So that gives you a... PDA-sized streaming media device you can listen to listen to on a set of dinky headphones or built-in 1" speaker instead of your high-end Bose?

Having recently spent 2 days setting up QTSS on my home machine, i'd much rather deal with a standard USB-equipped Apple-brand MP3 player/recorder than put excess demands on my primary Mac by having it act as a wireless streaming media server.

Definitely more interesting/likely than Newton2001 though!

- clif

[gotterdamm]

Who said it would use QTSS?
Does the internet radio in iTunes use QTSS?
No, QTSS is a high-bandwidth video over TCP/IP server-sided solution.
We don't need that.
This would be easily done by a AppleTalk based stream server using the AMP protocol. As I said, the only thing you'd need to do run an installer on your Mac (in which the only question you'd have to answer is where you keep your MP3s) and the only other thing to do is give the iJukebox your Airport password.
You have to remember, that QTSS is made for a variety of configs, which is why is has a difficult install. This would have a single function so a long and drawn out setup wouldn't be necessary.


And yes, this is profitable. Linn is making a similar product that will cost several thousand dollars, this unit could ship for $200.

[mbperk]

I have thought long and hard on this and I think it will be a Digital Picture Frame that displays Pictures as well as Quicktime Movies created in iMovie. You will be able to send the pictures/movies from a Mac to the frame via Airport.

And they will also release iPicture. A simple basic picture editor.

Hope I am wrong I would love to see a new Apple PDA.

And yes, this is profitable. Linn is making a similar product that will cost several thousand dollars, this unit could ship for $200.

And that makes it profitable for Apple because...

[Brit Ben]

Originally posted by mbperk:
<STRONG>I have thought long and hard on this and I think it will be a Digital Picture Frame that displays Pictures as well as Quicktime Movies created in iMovie. You will be able to send the pictures/movies from a Mac to the frame via Airport.

And they will also release iPicture. A simple basic picture editor.

Hope I am wrong I would love to see a new Apple PDA.</STRONG>

The general consensus is Music device. iTunes based no doubt.

Ta,
Ben,

[geek77]

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
<STRONG>This would be easily done by a AppleTalk based stream server using the AMP protocol.</STRONG>

I could be mistaken, but I thought apple was moving away from Appletalk and instead pushing TCP/IP?

just letting the imagination flow.....
what if its an all in one combo unit like those all over japan that incorporates a cell phone with pda, with a video screen and mp3 player (limited size) with a built in lens for sending images. not that farfetched... things similar already exist. by the way what is coming out of the inkwell technology? does anyone remember the DNA story that dorsal was talking about so long ago?

[rtdunham]

... I think it will be a Digital Picture Frame that displays Pictures as well as Quicktime Movies created in iMovie. You will be able to send the pictures/movies from a Mac to the frame via Airport. ...And they will also release iPicture. A simple basic picture editor..[/QB]

Cool product--and it's called a Ceiva. Costs about $200, does what you're describing. But apple could improve on it:

The Ceiva software's not intuitive and flexibility is limited. You can manage pix that appear via Ceiva's website, but it would be nice--and easy--to do so directly from one's own computer via Airport, with image files on one's own harddrive. Of course, I can manage the pix on my parents' Ceiva (an anniversary from me and the rest of the kids) 1,000 miles away. Maybe Apple could use iDisk & HomePage for that, too. Adding QT movies would be a neat touch, but i think that had been discussed for a future Ceiva rev.

I'd hate to see Apple "pull a microsoft" and simply copy & improve someone else's product. Now, if it were a joint venture or licensing deal, there's no doubt Apple could do it better.

[mlaster]

I'll throw out my own crazy theory....

I think it may be somehow related to satellite radio. Maybe a device
that will automatically download and encode songs (TiVo-like).

Interesting fact: Satellite radio just started it's first stages of
national rollout today...so the timing is right. (www.xmradio.com).

This is not based on any inside knowledge...It's just an interesting new angle that really couldn't have been done by anyone before now, so maybe that's Apples angle...

[gotterdamm]

And that makes it profitable for Apple because...

You see, Apple could put together such a device for around $150, this device could then be sold for a much as $200-$350 and still be the cheapest product of it's kind on the market (a market that wasn't hurt as much in the recent year as the computer industry.) Apple could keep the profit. This money can be exchanged for goods and services. We call this process "making money." Perhaps you've heard of it?


And yes, Apple has put less emphasis on Appletalk recently, but the only real reason for that was to make cross-platform networks possible under OS X. A device like this wouldn't need to talk cross-platform networks into consideration because both devices are from the same OEM.

[Nebagakid]

Apple could use the IBM MicroDrive, up to one gigabyte, and that could store a fair amount of songs. It would not push the item too much out.

USB will connect it and allow one to get songs from their TCP/IP connected computer at home to any computer......


might just happen

All THIS for 29.95?!?!?!?

no :o

[scarab]

Does Apple always come out with something revolutionary that no other company has attempted? Some of the ideas above are great but they have been done before, so let's hope for something even bigger!

[Mac The Fork]

You see, Apple could put together such a device for around $150, this device could then be sold for a much as $200-$350 and still be the cheapest product of it's kind on the market (a market that wasn't hurt as much in the recent year as the computer industry.) Apple could keep the profit. This money can be exchanged for goods and services. We call this process "making money." Perhaps you've heard of it?

You propose a $250-300 MP3 jukebox that must be connected to a home stereo, that operates using a virtually discontinued, proprietary networking protocol over a wireless networking technology with support included only as an option on some recent computers occupying a niche market. I don't see much of a market in that. The fact that you say that 'this is profitable' doesn't make the idea profitable. The fact that Linn, whom I had rightfully never heard of until yesterday, makes a 'similar product' at a ridiculously high price doesn't make the idea profitable either.

So I ask you how and why such a device would be profitable. In your reply, you state that 'Apple could keep the profit.' What profit? Just putting something less expensive than 'similar' products on the market doesn't generate a profit. Just pricing something higher than the cost to make it doesn't generate a profit. Sometimes, a good product at a good price won't generate a profit. A profit doesn't generate itself either, yet you appear to be assuming some or all of the above. The main issue I have with your idea is that there is virtually no market for it. Perhaps I'll just give up asking for you to define one and how it could work, and assume you have an interesting idea but truly have no idea how such a venture could be realised.

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Mac The Fork ]

[BZ]

Out of the three rumors I have read:

1) Apple PDA (ghost of newton, Mac OSX)
2) Digital Picture Frame w/ iPhoto & Airport
3) Home Stereo MP3 Device w/ Airport, streaming

I am going to go with #3.

PDA: Take a look at Palm and Handspring stock prices (below $3). No one, even Crazy Steve, would get into this market now. The industry is slowing down, sales are dropping, bad bad bad news.

Photo Frame: These are really neato but without airport ($50) and a nice screen ($200) it is either too expensive and too "geeky". Not really something to help sell Apple hardware or OS X which leads me to...

Home Stero: Steve has made it clear that the Mac and MP3s go hand in hand. iTunes loves them and so does everyone else. With iTunes and a large drive it is very tempting to dump all your CDs on your Mac and play them in iTunes except for your $1000 stereo system sitting over there and getting lonely. So, what would it take to build a home stereo based box with a large drive, net booted or running OS X that had great audio out (Digital hopefully). So I can control it with iTunes, send over music (or it streams) off a Mac. I am using my stereo, ripping CDs and the Mac/OSX are now the center of my digital life!

Wait... It also has TV out AND I can send pictures to it (use my TV as the picture frame). Now I have music playing and big pictures of my family on my TV. Now I switched it over to iTunes visuals on my TV. Oohhh... party party party.

Put it under $300 and right before the X-mas season and it sells like hotcakes.

BONUS: Its David and his rock slinging it at XP which cannot rip high quality MP3s. It is a 1, 2, 3 upper cut to Big Bill and his tiered rip off scams (paying more just to rip MP3s.. indeed.)

Ok.. I am scaring myself. Gotta go check my credit cards to make sure I have room for Tuesday.

BZ

[clifhirtle]

Gotterdamm...

You're quite right, whatever this "device" is it does not have to use QTSS, but if it does not we're still talking about a company is based squarely on QuickTime for multimedia. Other than a few niche, limited functionality 3rd party products i am not aware of anything available to quickly and easily stream MP3 files over a network.

So perhaps we're talking about a new Apple audio streaming server product? That would be great. In fact, given a look at Apple's other products, it only makes sense that we should see a PRO Apple audio software offering coming down the pipes very soon. Witness the consumer/professional split across the Apple lineup:

iMovie vs. Final Cut
iDVD vs. DVD Studio Pro
iTunes vs. ???

Anybody who used/uses SoundJam knows darn well there's a wealth of functionality there that is not included in iTunes v1.0. So my bet is on iTunes v2.0 or another pro-level Apple audio app making it's appearance alonside this new "device."

Personally i find that much more appealing than just another over-priced, under-featured MP3 jukebox. I realize Apple is late to the MP3/digital audio party, but i would hope they could somehow capitalize on their QuickTime architecture and create a device capable of handling all that QT has to offer (ie: both digital audio and video). Given that ever Mac available is a "hub" for QT media it would somewhat of a disappointment to see an Apple device capable of handling only one form of their underlying media architecture.

But hey, knows what lies ahead.

-clif

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: clifhirtle ]

[BZ]

JLL over in Mac OS X forums said that there are new folders in the iTools directory. Can anyone confirm or take a screenshot for those of us at work?

[Geobunny]

AFAIK, Apple's not had a digital camera for a while. At least since the Quicktakes from a few years back.

The pic on Apple's front page (which has been there since the launch of 10.1) contains:
Create DVDs
Rip MP3s
Take Pictures (a Mac can't do this bit...yet It can post-process them, but not take them)
Surf the Internet
Make movies
Print easy (despite the grammatical error in there!)
Watch DVDs
Burn CDs.

By my reckoning, "take pictures" is the only bit Apple doesn't yet do.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
<STRONG>And yes, this is profitable. Linn is making a similar product that will cost several thousand dollars, this unit could ship for $200.</STRONG>

If you're talking about the Knekt system; this sells because Linn's reputation and quality is absolutely legendary in the hi-end audio market.

If you're talking about their jukebox system; I believe these are intended for a fairly limited market. Selling an high-quality on-demand music system to Cunard for the Queen Elisabeth II and to a number of exclusive hotels worldwide is hardly comparable to anything that Apple - a computer company - is likely to pull off.

-chris. (not really constructive, but nothing on this thread is, anyways)

[TC]

According to the register it is a collaboration between the Quicktime and iTunes groups along with another self contained group:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/22319.html

All the talk about a groundbreaking product doesn’t sound like an MP3 player.

If the Quicktime group are involved then it could be linked to Video.

What about a Video/Music player/recorder which writes to DVDs and connects to your mac via Firewire?

[edhawke]

http://news.cnet.com/news/0,10000,0-...327217,00.html

An old idea they had in 1998!

ed

OK, all indications are STREAMING and MUSIC. A little transmitter for your computer and recievers for your stereos perhaps?

The name will prob be a fusion of to words (think PowerBook AirPort fireWire) rather than an iSomething. Everybody is sick of that - including Jobs.

I guessed Listener at macslash but i'll have another here: AudioRain. no that sucks. SoundPort? I give up...

tomvale8@netscape.net

[btober]

Originally posted by Brit Ben:
<STRONG>
Plus firewire can provide enough
power to recharge some kind of portable peripheral.
</STRONG>

I never thought about that, but you're right! That would be totally awesome - only one cable to connect!

[itai195]

Frankly pretty much none of the above ideas are all that revoluationary. A new Newton? Who would buy the thing and why would Apple even want to enter a handheld market in the midst of a downturn second only to the PC industry's? The digital photo/video frames I've also always thought were a cool idea, but not revolutionary. I'd be embarassed for Apple if they were trying to pass something like this off as 'a breakthrough digital device.' The wireless jukebox is a cool idea but its market is much too limited -- can't see it ever making a profit. You can lump pretty much anything airport based into that category. I can just see it now... people lining up at the Apple Store saying "You mean if I pay $2500 for a new computer, $400 for wireless internet, and another $300 I can do &lt;insert new device's function here&gt; which I can already do on my crummy old Pentium 120 with a $5 cable from Radio Shack??? COUNT ME IN!" Frankly, airport just isn't a consumer technology. On the other hand... firewire? Seems pretty likely, a must-have firewire device would be a strong gain for the technology.

I don't have any great ideas of what the device could be either... but it seems most likely it's some sort of photo/camera/video/imaging type of device. Apparently the consensus says music device, but the consesus often incorrectly predicts Apple's moves. Besides, Dell and Compaq already have quite a lot of audio devices... Apple should've already learned their lesson about trying to make devices that electronics companies are better equipped to make. Hopefully Apple will surprise us.

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: itai195 ]

[jb8748]

Given that plenty of portable MP3 players exist could it be possible that the device receiving MP3's then decodes them itself. The MP3's come using the shoutcast protocol.

AirPort can manage that sort of bandwidth I'm sure and there is a demo of the code needed to stream from the Mac on ADC (JavaRadioStation). No QTSS required.

Perhaps then you would be able to:

1) stream your MP3's off your hard drive and
2) select an MP3 radio station in iTunes and have the sound out of your stereo.

Just my speculation, James

[richardb]

From MacNN frontpage:

MacNN reader Urs Alscher writes about changes to Apple's iDisk setup, which he says may hint at the new "digital device" expected to be introduced next Tuesday: "On the iDisk are now a lot of mp3 files under Software, MacOS X, Extras, FreePlayMusic, separated in different music styles. Many mp3 files do not play a full song, only a short part (10, 20 seconds), files without a number seem to be the full song."

I bet it's something Napster-like. Apple in tandem with the Music industry. Download music legally though only playable on the new Apple gizmo. Remember, Apple controls both the hardware and the software as SJ told us many times.

[SmileyDude]

Personally, I'm hoping for the MP3 player.

Well, actually, if they toss in DVD/CD capability as well, there's your hot seller.

Think about the possibilities..... people want to buy DVD players, and if you can buy one that does MP3s via wireless... especially if Apple makes it at the right price.

I remember a quote from Jobs shortly before Apple purchased NeXT. Something along the lines of what would he do if he was in charge of Apple. "Milk it for what it was worth while working on the next big thing." And folks, I don't think the iMac/iBook/TiBook/G4's and OS X are that next big thing.

Apple wants to be Sony. Extending the digital hub to the living room is a step towards that.

Personally, I'm hoping everyone has it backwards. I dont want a box to stream mp3's from my computer, I want a box with hard drive that I can stream to my computers. I have three computers at home, and about 35gb of mp3's. To put all these MP3's on each machine is a monumental waste of space. I'm hoping for a $150 box with small harddrive (that I can replace.) Ethernet and optional airport. Audio and front panel controls, so I can use it in my stereo rack. But over a network, I can encode directly to it with a new version of iTunes, and play from it using the mp3 streaming built into itunes already.

that would be tres cool. The other way around that people here are talking about would be useless to me.

Geof

Personally, I'm hoping everyone has it backwards. I dont want a box to stream mp3's from my computer, I want a box with hard drive that I can stream to my computers. I have three computers at home, and about 35gb of mp3's. To put all these MP3's on each machine is a monumental waste of space. I'm hoping for a $150 box with small harddrive (that I can replace.) Ethernet and optional airport. Audio and front panel controls, so I can use it in my stereo rack. But over a network, I can encode directly to it with a new version of iTunes, and play from it using the mp3 streaming built into itunes already.

that would be tres cool. The other way around that people here are talking about would be useless to me.

Geof

[simonjames]

I've read about devices in the pipeline that incorporate DVD players, hard drives and the ability to hit the pause button on your TV remote control (whilst watching normal TV) which starts up a hard disk recording of the show you're watching - then when you've finished your phonecall or whatever you can play back from the time you hit the pause button until the end of the show (I guess there must be another drive in the unit recording forward whilst you watch 'old' or recorded footage).

These devices haven't hit Australia yet - maybe they're in the States already? My guess is Apple will use this idea but improve it by adding a DVD recordable drive to it and &gt;maybe&lt; airport connection for MP3 playing

A strange move for a computer company but it could be profitable if they get the equation right and market it well.

[MadBrowser]

Too add to the mystery, in the last few months, Apple has been adding MP3 streaming using the ShoutCast protocol to Quicktime Streaming Server...

[BTP]

I can't guess as well as you folks here, but I can look at the big picture. Some of this is probably obvious to some of you, but I belive that it will likely utilize newer technologies, as in Firewire and Airport, because it will create demand for Apple product's with those technologies. Even people who bought the early iBooks don't have FW.

Also since the roadmap of a "Digital Lifestyle" has been laid out, be sure it will fit into that as well.

So many things Apple has invented/innovated/adopted have become standards in the computer world, so don't think Apple is not capable of introducing something that can become a standard in the future.

Just a few more days...

[gotterdamm]

Just putting something less expensive than 'similar' products on the market doesn't generate a profit

Oh really? Someone better tell Dell that.
Don't think there's a demand? Then check this out. Apple could put out the cheapest version on the market, with exclusive features, and still have a 50-100% mark-up.

And yes, not long after I posted that we see Apple taking an interest in mp3 on iDisk. Interesting. Maybe you can use you Airport's connection to browse through the latest MP3s posted to your iDisk?

And just for the record: Appletalk is not "unsupported." OS X supports it, all shipping Macs support it, why wouldn't this device support it?

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: gotterdamm ]

OK, people discussing napster sparked a little idea:

-A device that connects to your computer through firewire to transfer music onto it.
-unplug clip to belt kinda thing.
the interesting part
-has something like bluetooth/airport to communicate between other units of itself.

This means yuo could be walking around zapping mp3's to your mates. Perhaps a record function. Record a lecture and zap it to your absent mates device.

Even wackier: Maybe a peer to peer (napster style) system. All of the above but a unit will pick up all other units in the area. You can stream off them or steel their music. Damn that would be cool.

On another note i think they have to do something with the storage medium. Applle wouldn't do flash kinda things. Too small.
Putting a hard drive is too big/expensive.
Making it fit burned cd's - WAY to big.

the best option is ibm microdrive or iomega clik (did they rename that?).
they dont seem to be apple's syle though.

so will apple come up with a decent new storage system?

My heads running free now

tomvale8@netscape.net

[TonyRado]

It is a kick ass new cell phone that has both an mp3 player (maybe fm radio too) and an infared connection that will look and work perfectly with the Ti and IceBook! Price circa $300 and will sell 50 bizillion units the first day on the market. I personally will be getting in line the night before to buy one.

[clifhirtle]

Originally posted by BZ:
<STRONG>JLL over in Mac OS X forums said that there are new folders in the iTools directory. Can anyone confirm or take a screenshot for those of us at work?</STRONG>

The MP3 files in iDisk are nothing terribly new. They have to do with adding sound effects/tracks to iMovie and it has been up on the Apple iMovie webpage for a while now. Check it out:

From Apple iMovie

Check your iDisk for 2,100 royalty-free songs in 35 genres from Freeplay Music. These original songs were created for use in TV broadcast and come in 120, 60, 30, 20, 15 and 10 second cuts. Now your movies can have a professional soundtrack. The song libraries are now available on iDisk for Apple users. Go to the Mac OS X Software and open the Extras folder to get your professional soundtrack library now

A quick look at FreePlay's website provides little information as to exactly what the company is about, but linking off of the "Project" link at the bottom of their frameset shows a folder prominently entitled "Apple."

Let the conspiracy theories roll...

-clif

[itai195]

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
<STRONG>


Oh really? Someone better tell Dell that. </STRONG>

Hey gotterdamm, wanna buy my bag of dog poo? It's $5 less than the cheapest available alternative

I'm gonna corner the bag of dog poo market!

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: itai195 ]