[DNA man]

The Quicktime team was involved in the development of iPOD.
My question....where did their input into the device go?
It has no QT movie /picture ability, does it?

DNA man

BTW, Apple could have added a PDA like function to the iPOD for very little or the same price. Now, would that have been nice.

[ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: DNA man ]

[str1]

Originally posted by DNA man:
<STRONG>The Quicktime team was involved in the development of iPOD.
My question....where did their input into the device go?
It has no QT movie /picture ability, does it?
</STRONG>

I thought the same thing... There are, of course, a couple of ways to explain this. First, we were just dead wrong about the QT team being involved. Second, maybe the thing uses QT in some way we're unaware of.

I suspect, though, that Apple is working on another gadget. I said in another thread somewhere that what I'd like to see if a portable QT player with playlist support. Maybe we'll see it; maybe we won't. Who knows? But it sure seems like if they market a portable 5 gig firewire mp3-playing drive, they could just as easily market a portable 5-gig QT movie playing drive. Might be cool. Might not merge enough markets.

Cheers
Scott

It might explain the use of only Firewire as I/O. Just to make downloading faster is convenient, but perhaps not critical function-wise unless you have several mixes of thousands of songs that you need to change daily.

What you really could do is stream QT media over Firewire. That would mean you could have a load of trailers or videos or PowerPoint presentations sitting in your iPod. Go to any friend's Mac (all 5 of them...that's the problem) connect to any Firewire port and show your movies or PowerPoint show as if it were on THEIR harddrive. Hotswap harddrive, more portable than most with its own powersource. A much more elegant solution than carrying around your PowerBook. The more I think about it the better it sounds. Unfortunately I won't be able to use it on my PC at work or show it off to friends with PC's.

Of course to have some kind of graphic display would allow you to preview presentations and show off your bootlegged Shrek video.

[str1]

Originally posted by &lt;MacGregor&gt;:
<STRONG>
What you really could do is stream QT media over Firewire. That would mean you could have a load of trailers or videos or PowerPoint presentations sitting in your iPod. Go to any friend's Mac (all 5 of them...that's the problem) connect to any Firewire port and show your movies or PowerPoint show as if it were on THEIR harddrive. Hotswap harddrive, more portable than most with its own powersource. A much more elegant solution than carrying around your PowerBook. The more I think about it the better it sounds. Unfortunately I won't be able to use it on my PC at work or show it off to friends with PC's.</STRONG>

That's exactlyl what I was thinking. If they do it right, Apple could release a series of products that position the iPod-like devices as cross-platform portable hard drives and media players. Or perhaps update the firmware on the iPod to allow it to do this?

This seems to be why the public opinion on the iPod is shifting...people are beginning to think about it as a hard drive that plays media rather than as an MP3 player that doubles as a hard drive.

Cheers
Scott

Originally posted by str1:
<STRONG>


This seems to be why the public opinion on the iPod is shifting...people are beginning to think about it as a hard drive that plays media rather than as an MP3 player that doubles as a hard drive.

Cheers
Scott</STRONG>

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/64011

30 gig external Firewire hard drive for $234.95

iPod - We put the "o" and the "P" in overPriced!

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/64011

30 gig external Firewire hard drive for $234.95

iPod - We put the "o" and the "P" in overPriced!</STRONG>

That's an AC-powered external 3.5 inch drive.

Not a 2.5 inch bus powered.

And DEFINITELY not a 1.8 inch battery OR bus-powered.

Try again, IDIOT!!!

[John B. Smith]

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/64011

30 gig external Firewire hard drive for $234.95

iPod - We put the "o" and the "P" in overPriced!

and it's about the size of a chair

Originally posted by FormerLurker:
<STRONG>

That's an AC-powered external 3.5 inch drive.

Not a 2.5 inch bus powered.

And DEFINITELY not a 1.8 inch battery OR bus-powered.

Try again, IDIOT!!!
</STRONG>

So?

If you want external storage, here's external storage.

I don't understand your complaint.

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

So?

If you want external storage, here's external storage.

I don't understand your complaint.</STRONG>

I don't have a complaint, I'm just pointing out the glaringly-obvious flaw in your comparison of "external storage devices"

Unless of course you are trying to say that the size and portability of the iPod are unimportant, and therefore it can be called "OverPriced" in comparison to an ugly, bulky, AC-powered external drive...

Oh yeah, and then there is the minor detail of the iPod being a 10-hr, 1000-song mp3 player as well as an external storage device.


Keep it up though -- I haven't been this amused in the Peripherals forum since.... well, EVER....

Originally posted by FormerLurker:
<STRONG>

I don't have a complaint, I'm just pointing out the glaringly-obvious flaw in your comparison of "external storage devices"

Unless of course you are trying to say that the size and portability of the iPod are unimportant, and therefore it can be called "OverPriced" in comparison to an ugly, bulky, AC-powered external drive...

Oh yeah, and then there is the minor detail of the iPod being a 10-hr, 1000-song mp3 player as well as an external storage device.


Keep it up though -- I haven't been this amused in the Peripherals forum since.... well, EVER....
</STRONG>

You can buy a 20 gig external Firewire HD, AND a 6 gig Creative Nomad, AND have money left over from the $399 you started with.

[str1]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>


You can buy a 20 gig external Firewire HD, AND a 6 gig Creative Nomad, AND have money left over from the $399 you started with.</STRONG>

I'll reiterate:

Public opinion about the iPod seems to be shifting because people seem to be seeing it less as an MP3 player that doubles as a FW hard drive and more as a FW hard drive than also plays MP3.

With this product, Apple has merged the external HD, the Zip drive, the CDR/RW and the Floppy in a &lt;b&gt;really&lt;/b&gt; compact, battery powered, superfast peripheral that ALSO plays MP3s. That's why public opinion is shifting. Apple's ahead of the curve on this one. The question, however, is whether or not they're too far ahead of it.

And if I buy an external HD and a Nomad, then I'd have to carry TWO things around instead of one.

Cheers
Scott

Originally posted by str1:
<STRONG>

And if I buy an external HD and a Nomad, then I'd have to carry TWO things around instead of one.

Cheers
Scott</STRONG>

Nope. You carry the Nomad when you go jogging and you carry the HD when you go to work.

[TazmanDman]

wiggles,
you've once again missed the point... in fact, you've missed a lot of points all over these boards....

ignorance really is bliss for you, isn't it?



-Taz

Originally posted by TazmanDman:
<STRONG>wiggles,
you've once again missed the point... </STRONG>

what point is that? please make it.

[str1]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

Nope. You carry the Nomad when you go jogging and you carry the HD when you go to work.</STRONG>

I don't jog. I only run when chased.

Thanks for responding only to what was essentially a post-script.

Cheers
Scott

[tmikkelsen]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

what point is that? please make it.</STRONG>

Here's MY point. When I go to work I have to bring in large amounts of files, and I like to listen to music on the train there. With the iPod I can do that in one device that is smaller and more convenient than either of those. And it's powered off of firewire so I don't need to carry around an adaptor. That makes it worth it to me.

Sorry to interrupt.

Originally posted by tmikkelsen:
<STRONG>

Here's MY point. When I go to work I have to bring in large amounts of files, and I like to listen to music on the train there. blah blah blah
</STRONG>

And when you get your iPod stolen, or drop and break it, not only do you lose all your music, but all your files as well.

That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket.

[str1]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

And when you get your iPod stolen, or drop and break it, not only do you lose all your music, but all your files as well.

That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket.</STRONG>

Guess I'd better stop keeping everything in my briefcase! Or even in my wallet! Hell, I'd better start putting things in every nook and cranny around the house! Oh no! I can't keep everything in the house! I might lose it or it might get stolen.

We won't even talk about the horrors that await us if we only own one computer...

Cheers
Scott

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

And when you get your iPod stolen, or drop and break it, not only do you lose all your music, but all your files as well.

That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket.</STRONG>

Well unlike slugs like you, we have HANDS, OOOOH!


[ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: Nebrie ]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

And when you get your iPod stolen, or drop and break it, not only do you lose all your music, but all your files as well.

That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket.</STRONG>

Um, Chief Wiggum, how does this scenario you've spun for us differ from the Nomad MP3 player/USB drive that you're advising all the poor, misguided souls in this forum to buy? The reasoning is specious at best. You applaud the Nomad's dual functionality/price and then rag on someone who sees the same usefulness in the iPod. You can't have it both ways. No one responded to your recommendation of the Nomad with some crazy intimation about how your future had a robbery in it. Silliness, well executed.

Is it possible for you to employ some intellectual honesty in your posts? I know I've already asked the question in another thread, and I can't imagine you like hearing it asked, but I'm just wondering if you have any true capacity to reason with your fellow man and not resort to the truly bizarre or fictional, often steamrolling a previous argument of your own in the process.

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>

And when you get your iPod stolen, or drop and break it, not only do you lose all your music, but all your files as well.

That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket.</STRONG>

Wiggles, you are so right. I'm going to sell my iBook. I'm going to carry a desktop, keyboard, mouse, external hard drive, and external monitor with me. That way, if someone stills my desktop, I still have the others.

[Mediaman_12]

Originally posted by DNA man:
<STRONG>The Quicktime team was involved in the development of iPOD.
My question....where did their input into the device go?
It has no QT movie /picture ability, does it?
</STRONG>

Quicktime it a lot more than Movies you know. QT plays Audio files too, The QT team where probbaly involved in the MP3 decoading softwhere in the ipod.
Infact the QT team probbaly created the all of it's onboard softwhere with help from other dept's for the file mangement & interface.

[scottiB]

Yeah, media_man. It's QT that allows it to play AIFFS, .WAVS, and mp3s. When QT can play Ogg Vorbis (can it now?--I'm clueless to this stuff), I bet the iPod wil, too.

The QT team probably worked on the integration with the Pixo OS that is on the iPod. I read that fact on go2mac.com.

I'm just assuming this stuff.
http://www.pixo.com/

[timmerk]

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/64011

30 gig external Firewire hard drive for $234.95

iPod - We put the "o" and the "P" in overPriced!</STRONG>

Goddamn, I'm getting sick of you. All you do is say how great your PC is and trash everything Apple does, but in fact, you still always hang out here. What's with that?

Also, this 30 gb hardrive is unrealated to the harddrive in the ipod. The one the ipoid uses is a 1.8 in 5 gb one which retials for $499! the iPod is already $100 cheaper.

In the end, you are an idiot and you should leave if you hate Apple so much (oh yah, don't go saying in reply "called me an 'idiot' - what a typical supply from some damn Mac user" because you REALLY ARE an idiot.)

[timmerk]

wait, wait, I think I figured it all out guys! I found out wiggles true identity!

His name is SuckANut and he was hired by Bill Gates himself to troll these forums and criticize everything that Apple does. His pay? He gets to butt **** the man himself - BILL GATES!

hahahaha - you think this is a joke - or is it.......

[Visnaut]

Yay! Troll season!

How about we all agree to this:

• If you want the best price possible, no matter what the consequences, go with whatever wiggles is ranting about
• If you value convenience, style, ease of use, no matter what the consequence (to your wallet) go with an iPod

I'll take #2 please. If someone doesn't like my choice, well too bad! It's my bills, and I prefer blowing 'em on luxury items.

As for the real topic of this thread regarding the QuickTime team's involvement in iPod development: Anyone recall how some digital cameras use(d) QuickTime for either storing or compressing images? Perhaps this gave the Quicktime team some experience with those types of embedded systems, making them well-suited to creating an apple portable device.

That is what first crept into my mind as well. I think it was Kodak that had a lisence with Apple to use QT in some upcoming devices. I think most people thought it was to give rudimentary ability for their digital cameras to make mpegs. But I have not heard yet what came of it.

When the rumor of the iPod came out, I thought that maybe Kodak and Apple might have worked together on something of camera/hardrive hybrid. Well it ended up being a mp3 player/hardrive hybrid. I still would like to know what Kodak came up with. I wonder if Apple could buy the struggling Polaroid and do something.

Anyway, I know there are hacker threads out there for the iPod, but does anyone here know the OS running the iPod?

MacGregor

Good to see you again, FormerLurker.