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iPod & Firewire digital cameras, DV cams?
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Everyone keeps talking about using the iPod as added memory for a digital camera. Is there such a thing as a digital camera with a firewire port?
Also, DV camcorders do have firewire but can you record directly to the iPod from a DV cam?
[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: Honus ]
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Originally posted by Honus:
<STRONG>Everyone keeps talking about using the iPod as added memory for a digital camera. Is there such a thing as a digital camera with a firewire port?
[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: Honus ]</STRONG>
Only professional level digital cameras have Firewire connectors.
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What about a FireWire card reader? That is what I am interested in. It would be great to be able to transfer photos to the iPod via a standard FW card reader.
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Originally posted by aaanorton:
<STRONG>What about a FireWire card reader? That is what I am interested in. It would be great to be able to transfer photos to the iPod via a standard FW card reader.</STRONG>
A Firewire card reader appears as another drive to an OS. But what OS is used in the iPod? There doesn't appear to be any settings, it's not intelligent enough to drive a reader I think. It's ironic that Firewire has great strengths in peeer-to-peer cnnectivity but apple are trying to use it as leverage so you have to plug everything into a Mac for functionality.
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Originally posted by nana2:
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A Firewire card reader appears as another drive to an OS. But what OS is used in the iPod? There doesn't appear to be any settings, it's not intelligent enough to drive a reader I think. It's ironic that Firewire has great strengths in peeer-to-peer cnnectivity but apple are trying to use it as leverage so you have to plug everything into a Mac for functionality.</STRONG>
I don't know. I keep thinking that sooner or later Apple is going to release "iPhoto" (or whatever) that will have a little iPod driver that recognizes a card reader and does it's thing. To me this is what the iPod is really all about : access to digital media anywhere. Ultimately the iPod is just a hard drive. It seems you could have any number of drivers and/or scripts. Is there anyone out there that can shed some insight on this? Is this sort of thing possible?
Apple (it seems to me) generally picks product names that are fairly straight forward. At least lately. iPod doesn't have any music meaning to me. I think it's headed this direction.
Cliff
[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: aaanorton ]
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The iPod can be put into firewire disk mode. Anything that can read/write to a fireware HD (DV cam, etc.) can work with the iPos in this mode.
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Originally posted by PBG4 User:
<STRONG>The iPod can be put into firewire disk mode. Anything that can read/write to a fireware HD (DV cam, etc.) can work with the iPos in this mode.</STRONG>
I agree, but where is the activation? If you plug a card reader into a FW HD, do the images transfer? Isn't there some sort of app required? I think this is possible, but may need some coaxing.
Cliff
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Here's my prediction: Apple will release an OSX update and an iPod firmware upgrade that together make your iPod a home away from home. That is, you load your main apps, documents and settings into your iPod, walk up to any OSX box, plug in the iPod, and work like you're at home. OSX will provide you with basic OSX services and a sandbox that you can play in without disturbing the host system in any way.
Does anyone remember Steve's Wired interview from a few years ago? You can probably still find it on the web. He made a big deal about how one telephone is not very interesting, two are moderately useful, and 10,000 or more is very interesting indeed. I think that Apple is looking forward to some eventual synergies of this nature.
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That's a neat idea!
It doesn't sound too far out either, just needs some way of aliasing the remote drive to the Users folder prior to login.
Now for my prediction:
At the next expo, Steve Jobs will get to the end and announce "But there's One More Thing... If you play the sample Moby track backwards, it will reveal secret directions for activating the Reality Distortion Field Generator housed inside every iPod.
"And you cheap bastards thought it was only an MP3 player!
"Go forth with your portable RDF generators and get us some market share!"
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Originally posted by aaanorton:
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I agree, but where is the activation? If you plug a card reader into a FW HD, do the images transfer? Isn't there some sort of app required? I think this is possible, but may need some coaxing.
Cliff</STRONG>
I believe that if you connect the iPod to your camera via a Firewire/PCMCIA converter going into the Type I & II memory port, the camera will see the iPod as a memory device, much like an IBM microdrive. The pictures will automatically be loaded to the iPod with no prompting.
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The problem there is the cameras don't automatically upload. They use a small program that lets you view thumbnails of the shots in the camera and select which ones you want to upload. If I have 1GB of shots in my Microdrive I don't necessarily want/have room to upload all of them into the iPod.
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Originally posted by nana2:
<STRONG>The problem there is the cameras don't automatically upload. They use a small program that lets you view thumbnails of the shots in the camera and select which ones you want to upload. If I have 1GB of shots in my Microdrive I don't necessarily want/have room to upload all of them into the iPod.</STRONG>
No upload to it, the camera sees the iPod as a memory device like the Microdrive. Why would you want to upload from the Microdrive to the iPod?? The iPod would be connected to the camera, instead of a FM card, and the pictures would be stored on the iPod by the camera.
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Originally posted by <Dorker>:
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No upload to it, the camera sees the iPod as a memory device like the Microdrive. Why would you want to upload from the Microdrive to the iPod?? The iPod would be connected to the camera, instead of a FM card, and the pictures would be stored on the iPod by the camera.
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OIC what you mean now. The reason you would want to upload the contents of a Microdrive to the iPod is so you can use it as a "digital wallet". Sure the Ipod is small, but it's no Microdrive. It's going to be a pain if the iPod needs to hooked up by a cable to the camera when you just want to take a shot. (Unless you are in a studio setting or something). Not to mention someone will have to create a Firewire->CompactFlashII device. Also will the iPod work with a 4pin->6pin firewire cable?
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Originally posted by nana2:
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"OIC what you mean now. The reason you would want to upload the contents of a Microdrive to the iPod is so you can use it as a "digital wallet". Sure the Ipod is small, but it's no Microdrive. It's going to be a pain if the iPod needs to hooked up by a cable to the camera when you just want to take a shot. (Unless you are in a studio setting or something)."
You are so right, cord = pain.
"Not to mention someone will have to create a Firewire->CompactFlashII device."
There is already on the market, it would go like this FireWire to PCMCIA to Compact Flash memory adapter.
"Also will the iPod work with a 4pin->6pin firewire cable?"</STRONG>
Can't see why not, the extra two pins are for power, data could still move on the other four.
Now if some third party could come up with an elegant solution for this there might just be a market.
PS the QuickTime team would need to have worked on the iPod project if iPod were to be connected to cameras.
 
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Originally posted by nana2:
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OIC what you mean now. The reason you would want to upload the contents of a Microdrive to the iPod is so you can use it as a "digital wallet". Sure the Ipod is small, but it's no Microdrive. It's going to be a pain if the iPod needs to hooked up by a cable to the camera when you just want to take a shot. (Unless you are in a studio setting or something). Not to mention someone will have to create a Firewire->CompactFlashII device. Also will the iPod work with a 4pin->6pin firewire cable?</STRONG>
No, when your memory card is full, you transfer those pictures to your ipod via the cable. iPod software would put that into a folder. You can delete the files from your memory card in your camera and when that's full again, connect it to the iPod. Much more convenient on long trips than a laptop. I can't believe we're talking about this and it's not even a current capability of the iPod! One can hope though right?
 Also, instead of getting a firewire PCMCIA reader and PCMCIA card, Apple could also make MANY more people happy by making a firewire/USB adapter. That way, the many more USB digital cameras can connect to the iPod as well.
Mike
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