[godzappa]

I've seen some posts regarding concerns about the iPods battery. Specifically the tendancy for rechargable batteries to die after several hundred charges

This is a concern. I am considering buying a Pod but I want to know that the 650+ canadian (inc. tax) I spend will give me a fully functional product for many years to come. If the battery is going to die in a year or so, that would just suck.

The iPod battery is supposed to be very advanced, does anyone have any knowledge of this type of battery? and if it suffers from failure as traditional rechargable batteries....

[mrfett]

I think you'll get about 2-3 years out of it. No word yet on what happens after that.

It doesn't bother me much because the reality of these things is that they break after 2 years anyway. My palm and Nomad both broke on me after warranty, the former due to heavy use/dropping, the latter because it's cheap. If you really use this all the time for 3 years, I can't see how it won't wear out in other ways (like you cracking the display or it being stolen).

I just think that's the reality of small electronic toys. Most walkmen/mp3 players don't even last that long.

Just my 2 cents

[Petter]

You can read more about the cells here!
http://www.powerpulse.net/powerpulse...a_080601a1.stm

[godzappa]

This is from the link above, thought it was quite interesting

Unfortunately, the dry lithium-polymer suffers from poor conductivity. The internal resistance is too high and cannot deliver the current bursts needed for modern communication devices and spinning up the hard drives of mobile computing equipment, although heating the cell to 60 degrees C (140 degrees F) and higher increases the conductivity to acceptable levels. This requirement, however, is unsuitable for portable applications.

[Petter]

Originally posted by godzappa:
<STRONG>This is from the link above, thought it was quite interesting

Unfortunately, the dry lithium-polymer suffers from poor conductivity. The internal resistance is too high and cannot deliver the current bursts needed for modern communication devices and spinning up the hard drives of mobile computing equipment, although heating the cell to 60 degrees C (140 degrees F) and higher increases the conductivity to acceptable levels. This requirement, however, is unsuitable for portable applications.
</STRONG>

hehe, well it's not that bad, but compared to nicd-cells and some nimh the li-poly can't deliver those extremely high currents that certian equipment need!
There is only a few manufacturers of cellphones that uses li-poly so far and to my knowledge none (I my be wrong) within the laptop industry. They uses standard li-ion instead.

[Immortal K-Mart Employee]

I heard that the warranty on the iPod is 90 days. Does anyone know if this is true?

[godzappa]

Yup, in the official iPod FAQ it states a 90 day limited warrenty

[zekemon6]

Yes, I have been very concerned about the rechargeable battery in the iPod.

I was thinking though, that after the battery dies in 2-3 years, you could connect some kind of external battery pack into the Firewire port... Hopefully this will work. I imagine the only reason why it wouldn't is because the lithium polymer battery wouldn't be able to even conduct electricity.

I hope Apple didn't screw up on this one.

[Immortal K-Mart Employee]

Originally posted by godzappa:
<STRONG>Yup, in the official iPod FAQ it states a 90 day limited warrenty</STRONG>

That sucks and I wouldn't get it just for that reason. Even my iomega HipZip has a 1 year warranty. And good thing to because it just died after 4 months for no reason.

Since this thing is portable and new it is more prone to problems.

$399, no replaceable battery and 90 day warranty?
Nuts to that.

[agentz]

How the holy hell can Apple justify only a 90 day warranty??? Thats the sort of warranty you'd maybe expect on an out of warranty repair, but not a brand new product.

[zeltrio]

Originally posted by zekemon6:
<STRONG>Yes, I have been very concerned about the rechargeable battery in the iPod.

I was thinking though, that after the battery dies in 2-3 years, you could connect some kind of external battery pack into the Firewire port... Hopefully this will work. I imagine the only reason why it wouldn't is because the lithium polymer battery wouldn't be able to even conduct electricity.

I hope Apple didn't screw up on this one.</STRONG>

The only thing is that with an external battery pack you kind of make it less portable. The only reason I think they used lithium polymer is so they could fit the battery in there. Who knows how they have that battery in that small little thing! They probably put it in every little nook and cranny they could fill up! So if it dies and you need to get it replaced apple will probably be the only company that can do it. Lets just hope they won't charge more than half the price the unit to do so!

-z

[godzappa]

Hey everyone, check out this link
http://www.dynamixcosmo.com/battery.html

Apparently the polymer batteries can get full charge on the batteries for 500-700 recharges.

So I think it means that although after this many re-charges, the battery will start to loose its full capacity, it doesnt mean it will die. Maybe instead of a maximum of 10 - 13 hours the batteries after 2 or 3 years will get you 7 or 8 hours

Still certainly not perfect, but maybe not as bad as it first seems

Have no fear.

Apple is introducing a modified car battery, called, as you have already guessed, iBattery, which comes in 7 fruit flavored colors, weighs only 12.3 lbs, and plugs right into the iPod after the battery breaks in 3 months. All of this for the low price of $599.

[godzappa]

Apple is introducing a modified car battery, called, as you have already guessed, iBattery, which comes in 7 fruit flavored colors, weighs only 12.3 lbs, and plugs right into the iPod after the battery breaks in 3 months. All of this for the low price of $599

They're also releasing iLife, which has been specially created for sad sad people who hate Macs, but cant seem to keep themselves out of Mac message boards.

The iLife will plug, via USB of course, into the sad PC users rear end, and download a life (over USB, this takes some time) into said user. Doing this 5 times a week will hopefully give the user a different reason to live than to bitch on Mac boards.

I'm sorry, but that just won't work for me. Like so many other MacHeads out there, my anus is equipped with the latest in AirPort technoligy, meaning that you can transfer the iLife to me at a peak transfer rate 11mb/sec.

[Nebagakid]

chk!
chk, that is my new iLingo for chuckle, 'cause i dont LOL all the time... LOL has evolved into "that is funny, i am adknowledgin it", from" Laugh out Loud."

so chk is now iLingo for chuckle or that is funny and i am replying with a humerous response

confused, private message me

However, I forgot to mention that because of hardware defficiencies due to poor manufacturing, the AirPort often loses contact and you are forced to start all over again.

Originally posted by &lt;wiggles&gt;:
<STRONG>However, I forgot to mention that because of hardware defficiencies due to poor manufacturing, the AirPort often loses contact and you are forced to start all over again.</STRONG>

wiggles plz stop apply your sex drive on Apple's hardware, though your boyfriend (gay partner.. whatever u wanna call that) always complain about your "hardware" performace doesnt mean iPod's hardware got the same problem

[nana2]

"LiPB technology can deliver the best power energy available for rechargeable batteries. LiPB and Li-ion batteries have similar energy characteristics with both offering voltage in the 3.0 V to 4.2 V range as compared to 1.2 V to 1.5 V for NiCd and NiMH cells. The gravimetric energy density ranges from 120 Wh/kg to 160 Wh/kg, and the volumetric energy density from 230 Wh/l to 270 Wh/l. LiPB technology emulates the cycle life benefits of the Li-ion chemistry, providing 500+ charge/discharge cycles with no memory effect. However, this is one of the very few areas where lithium technology has not outshined NiCd and NiMH capability, which offer a cycle life of 2,000 and 1,000 respectively."

From: http://www.ecnmag.com/ecnmag/issues/...01/ec18ss1.asp

[iWolfe]

I'm not worried about the batteries in the iPod. If they last me a good 2-3 years I will be very happy - and hopefully Apple will have another fun little device that I will be just as anxious to pre-order as I was today when I pre-ordered my iPod

[one]

Originally posted by agentz:
<STRONG>How the holy hell can Apple justify only a 90 day warranty??? Thats the sort of warranty you'd maybe expect on an out of warranty repair, but not a brand new product.</STRONG>

It's like this: in these days of solid-state, no-moving-parts purchases, either it works or it doesn't. If it works, then it works, and chancces are good that, with normal care, it'll keep working 'til you're ready to replace it. If it doesn't work, you'll know it plenty quick, and 90 days is plenty of time in which to take care of the matter.

However, I'm sure they'd be willing to sell you an extended warranty, if you insist....

[MikeD]

Originally posted by godzappa:
The iLife will plug, via USB of course, into the sad PC users rear end, and download a life (over USB, this takes some time) into said user. Doing this 5 times a week will hopefully give the user a different reason to live than to bitch on Mac boards.[/QB]

USB huh? For sure NOT firewire.. But I originally thought that iLife required 3.5" floppy disks.. Oh well.


[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: MikeD ]

[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: MikeD ]

[nana2]

Originally posted by one:
<STRONG>

It's like this: in these days of solid-state, no-moving-parts purchases, either it works or it doesn't. If it works, then it works, and chancces are good that, with normal care, it'll keep working 'til you're ready to replace it. If it doesn't work, you'll know it plenty quick, and 90 days is plenty of time in which to take care of the matter.

However, I'm sure they'd be willing to sell you an extended warranty, if you insist....</STRONG>

If they are confident it will work longer than 90 days then why not give a 1 year warranty? The fact is with a moving hard drive the thing is not completely solid state. Would you buy a PowerMac with a 90 day warranty? No need to make excuses for Apple's pathetic effort in this regard.

[CMYKid]

the PowerMacs DO only have a 90 day warranty...

[iWolfe]

how many of you out there have had problems with your PowerBook batteries? I am seriously asking, but I presume not many - as I worked at a school with several hundread kids, many of whom had PowerBooks - and nobody ever came to use with a battery problem.

[AKcrab]

Let's forget the warranty, assume this is a quality Apple product, and get back to the battery.

Looks to me like it is fairly simple to replace. Check out this thread:
http://newforums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/u...4&amp;t=003947

I think the iPod rocks.

[blakespot]

The Compaq iPAQ handhelds use lithium-polymer battery. I've chared mine many, many times with no noticeable change in battery life. It starts charging every time you dock it. I've prob charged mine 250 times.

blakespot

[zekemon6]

It does have a replaceable battery.

http://newforums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/u...4&amp;t=003947

Power Mac warranties are NOT 90 days. They are 1 year. The 90 days is the free phone support but the product itself has a 1 year warranty.

Buy your iPod with a credit card like AMEX Blue which doubles the mfg. warranty. Usually that doubles the time from 1 year to 2. In the case of the iPod it will give you a 6 month warranty. Still pathetic but better than 90 days. Shame on Apple.