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Jerjerrod · Jan 2, 2002, 11:35 PM

http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk/movies/

Unless I missed it, I'm shocked to see no one's posted these yet.

Watch those movies (or at least the ones that work).

Anyone else need to change their underwear?

If this is real, anyone care to speculate on price points? I just hope this isn't in the Newton 2000's $1000+ range.

Nebrie · Jan 2, 2002, 11:42 PM

FAKE FAKE FAKE

Ummm, if you haven't noticed already, FAKE with heavy photoshopping. The entire interface is grafted on with Photoshop. The Turnaround movie "conveniently" doesn't turn it on as well. Go here for full details: iWalk is Fake

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Nebrie ]

Jerjerrod · Jan 2, 2002, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Nebrie:

Ummm, if you haven't noticed already, it's a Newton inside a shell with heavy photoshopping. Go here for full details: iWalk is Fake

While I am currently waffling 50/50 as to whether I think it's a fake or not, if it is a fake, someone went to a damn lot of trouble.

Also, if it does turn out to be fake, I hope whomever created it would consider selling his own cosmetically altered Newtons inside shells.

Even if it is what you say it is, it's still a damn slick piece of engineering.

Nebrie · Jan 3, 2002, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Jerjerrod:


While I am currently waffling 50/50 as to whether I think it's a fake or not, if it is a fake, someone went to a damn lot of trouble.

Also, if it does turn out to be fake, I hope whomever created it would consider selling his own cosmetically altered Newtons inside shells.

Even if it is what you say it is, it's still a damn slick piece of engineering.

It's just like the 3d rendering of the iWalk. The guy did a lot but still managed to miss a lot. There's more going on at AppleInsider.

godzappa · Jan 3, 2002, 12:55 AM

I dunno, http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk...turnaround.mov seems pretty convincing, although the first mov certainly looks abit suspect

Nebrie · Jan 3, 2002, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by godzappa:
I dunno, http://www.interfacestudio.net/iwalk...turnaround.mov seems pretty convincing, although the first mov certainly looks abit suspect

It's already been made rather clear that it is a real physical object. The flame war (at least in AI) is on whether or not it's empty.

tullamore · Jan 3, 2002, 01:36 AM

I don't think this is fake because....

if you watch the movie called bootup. Look at the top right of the screen and advance the frames one by one with your arrows. You can see the clock changing each seconds.

Or someone took an incredible amount of time to do this, or it's just a toy Apple has and is not going to release.

phobos · Jan 3, 2002, 01:36 AM

Someone definetely spent a lot of time constructing this thing.Maybe an industrial designer on his bachelor??? I wanted to believe that it's a true thing but when I've read someone from apple insider telling for the say hello video that the iWalk is slightly moving and the letters aren't I replayed the video and guess what.He is right!!!!
You have to resize the video so that it takes a big chunk of your screen and then you will notice it.
If it's an early version from the apple it definetely doesn't work on this video.Besides that the apple logo is extruded way to much.Or maybe jonathan Ive has developed a bad taste...
Bye bye iWalk.Oh well thats life....

The Placid Casual · Jan 3, 2002, 07:14 AM

CLEARLY FAKE.

if you look at the 'writing' (say hello?) video in 'full screen', you can clearly see that that the 'iWalk' moves when pressed on...however the text that appears doesn't. It has been 'after effected' in at a later date....it is pretty hard to see at normal size, but when you increase the picture it becomes really obvious....

A good fake, but fake nonetheless

*Sorry phobos didn't read your post before posting mine...*

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Marc2211 ]

mbperk · Jan 3, 2002, 07:22 AM

The pictures they had of it before MWNY from "the shower" looked really fake, and nothing like this model. So that leads me to believe that this one goes in the same bin as the previous. I cannot see Apple naming a product "iWalk". As much trouble as they went to they must have a lot of time on there hands.

MasonMcD · Jan 3, 2002, 08:25 AM

But do we all remember dissecting Apple's screenshot of OS X when they introduced it? It showed a QuickTime window, but the dock icon did not show it as a running app, or something like that, as well as other anomalies. It's not like no one at Apple knows how to use Photoshop or FinalCut.

Maybe intentionally released to keep people busy.

jmatero · Jan 3, 2002, 08:49 AM

They are a total fake. I'm a graphic artist and all you have to do is zoom in on the image of the 'iWalk' in Photoshop... PARTICULARLY the screen image and the apple logo on the case. It's actually a BAD fake too. Try it... I could have done better... hell my FATHER could have done better and he thinks Photoshop is a store that sells photos. Try it and you'll see what I'm talking about. Cut and paste folks.

Oh, and there are people (trust me) that HAVE the time to spend and get *ff on this kind of stuff. I'm sure some guy/kid stayed up all night hacking that picture. Also, you may have noticed Apple called their lawyers.... hint-hint.

ericwass · Jan 3, 2002, 06:59 PM

Anyone got a copy of that file? I can't reach it on the link provided. I do photo/video touch up all the time for a living. I'd like to weigh in on the debate. Thanks!

zekemon6 · Jan 3, 2002, 08:09 PM

I mirrored it:

http://gloin.dyn.dhs.org/iwalk

or

http://unixgen.muohio.edu/~runyonr/c...squirrel/iwalk

daimoni · 01:21 AM

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Jan 3, 2002, 11:56 PM

How can it be fake?

For one thing, if it is fake, it would be illegal.

Whoever made the fake would be tarnishing Apple's good name. This is libel and it is also fraud and since his hand is in the mnovie, it is also impersonation of an Apple engineer and therefore twice as illegal.

Right?

JFischel · Jan 4, 2002, 06:32 AM

Check out the sayhello movie...you can see the screen move very slighty underneath the user's hand.

F-A-K-E!

Josh

Nebrie · Jan 4, 2002, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by MasonMcD:
But do we all remember dissecting Apple's screenshot of OS X when they introduced it? It showed a QuickTime window, but the dock icon did not show it as a running app, or something like that, as well as other anomalies. It's not like no one at Apple knows how to use Photoshop or FinalCut.

Maybe intentionally released to keep people busy.

That's called a marketing photo. If you haven't noticed, all marketing photos are heavily edited. The cube one we got a while back and the OS X one were all marketing photos. They are edited to show the product in the best position possible even if it means defying the laws of physics. However, the spymac things were clearly not marketing photos or marketing videos. They must obey all natural laws. Compression can only explain certain artifacts and only up to a certain degree. Like it's been mentioned by AtAt before, the guy who runs this site does this sort of stuff for a living for a Mac mag in Germany. He has the knowledge, and obviously the time too.

IUJHJSDHE · Jan 4, 2002, 07:11 AM

It think it is true blue. Notice how there is always shadows of the face or hand on the screen even with it moving.

silverlode · Jan 4, 2002, 09:09 AM

I agree with IUJHJSDHE, despite all the "evidence" given to prove it's a fake. I have examined the movies and the only one I can see is the jump in the jog wheel, which I can't explain, not being a digital video guru. The screen moving thing seems natural enough. He lifts his hand up and the whole device lightens up a little from the release of pressure.

It's real.

It's also a really bad idea.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 4, 2002, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by silverlode:
I agree with IUJHJSDHE, despite all the "evidence" given to prove it's a fake. I have examined the movies and the only one I can see is the jump in the jog wheel, which I can't explain, not being a digital video guru.

This was mentioned on one of the other 5 threads on these boards.

the movie is compressed as "Movie", not as "Sorensen" or other higher-quality algorithm. "Movie" is heavily dependent upon keyframes. The pixels on that wheel stay *exactly* the same (as in the other incident with the "floating" writing), which *can* easily be explained with the encoder, waiting for heavy changes, just missing that bit.

Encoding glitch or true conspiracy?

Join us again on Monday at 9 a.m. PST for another exciting episode of "Mystery Gear"...

-chris.

bobette · Jan 4, 2002, 03:44 PM

Spymac was �legally requested� to take it off the air.

Meeee thinks it's truuueeeee....

Hehehe...

Richard Clark · Jan 4, 2002, 04:21 PM

Body style and all that looks like something Apple would do.

But when it comes to the interface - why would the startup screen be in color but not the interface?????? An argument would be that it is to save battery power.

I say if they're going to go to a color PDA the interface will be in color. I don't know. Two weeks ago I got a Handspring Visor Deluxe. But i would go for an Apple PDA IF the price is right. ($300 - 400.00 range if color)

piracy · Jan 4, 2002, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by bobette:
Spymac was �legally requested� to take it off the air.

Meeee thinks it's truuueeeee....

Hehehe...

Uh, ok. Then you're the most gullible person in the world.

That's why they faked the first iWalk, passed them off as real, and now try to explain it by saying they were doing their best with the mockups based on descriptions? Then why did they try to make it look as if they were real "spy photos" taken in a bathroom?

An Apple PDA may happen someday, but sorry, the most recent photos and movies from spymac are laughably and ridiculously fake (yes, it may be a real physical object, but that doesn't make it a real Apple PDA, does it?). I wouldn't be surprised if they're lying about Apple asking them to remove them.

piracy · Jan 4, 2002, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by <wiggles>:
How can it be fake?

For one thing, if it is fake, it would be illegal.

Whoever made the fake would be tarnishing Apple's good name. This is libel and it is also fraud and since his hand is in the mnovie, it is also impersonation of an Apple engineer and therefore twice as illegal.

Right?

That is the most retarded, backwards logic I've ever heard. That's not libel or tarnishing Apple's good name at all. And uh, impersonating an Apple engineer's hand in an online video isn't illegal either. Sorry bud.

Thunderbird · Jan 4, 2002, 05:21 PM

Want proof if it is real or not?

Somebody post these movies on their iDisk. See if your account gets deleted. If it does, chances are that they are real.

bobette · Jan 4, 2002, 08:47 PM

weeeellll, if it turns out to be true, I can't wait to rub it in the face of all you AfterEffects/Photoshop conspiracy theorists, cuz when you have the talent to fake something like that, you usually don't have time to loose your time doing it since you're working fulltime and a half earning a real life on real, very profitable contracts!

And if I'm wrong, well, I'm f *cked. All least we have a great time arguing about it don't we?

Hehe, gotta luv this place...

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: bobette ]

zekemon6 · Jan 4, 2002, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by bobette:
Spymac was �legally requested� to take it off the air.

Meeee thinks it's truuueeeee....

Hehehe...

As I've heard on other forums, Apple legal could've requested them to take of the images/video because of unauthorized/misuse of their logo. Apple legal can probably have a million reasons other than that the device exists and SpyMac is violating trade secret laws, etc. So, that doesn't mean it's true.

I agree with piracy (the user) that SpyMac probably lied about their being forced to remove the images.

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: zekemon6 ]