Is anyone using this combination and successfully burning a cdRW ?

The re-recordable part is what I'm wondering about.

Supposedly you should deactivate the Toast "CD reader" extension to avoid conflicts with the Apple CD extension.

If I do this, how will the Yamaha be able to read a partially-written re-recordable CD?

I was hoping to purchase the Yamaha and use it for data backup on a re-recordable CD.

Hey im using the exact same setup... just bought mine and have burned 2 successful CD-R but havent had a chance to burn a CD-RW. Im planning to try it tonight and ill post the outcome. One question that i have is that when you burn a CD-RW do you tell it to burn the whole cd or just a session? Hopefully we can help each other

Thanks,
Greg Palmer

Just got through testing burning a CD-RW in my Yamaha 8424 and everything went perfect. I didnt have to disable the toast extension and was able to burn and erase the CD-RW with no problem. I also answered my own question about burning a session and the full CD. I burned a 85 meg file to the CD, which took a minute, and selected to write the whole CD. When it was finished i mounted the CD and had a 85 meg CD and no more room on my CD. Had to erase all of the information which took a long time i guess 30 minutes and rewrite. This time i chose session write and when i mounted it this time my 85 megs was there plus the space left on the rest of the CD.

Hope this helps,
Greg Palmer

gpalmer... Excellent feedback!
Did you do the Toast upgrade to 4.02?

Have you done the online firmware update to the 8424?

I'm wondering what cured the extension conflict between the Toast reader extension and the Apple CD reader extension.
Whatever it was, it sounds like it's been resolved.

Originally posted by gpalmer:
Just got through testing burning a CD-RW in my Yamaha 8424 and everything went perfect. I didnt have to disable the toast extension and was able to burn and erase the CD-RW with no problem. I also answered my own question about burning a session and the full CD. I burned a 85 meg file to the CD, which took a minute, and selected to write the whole CD. When it was finished i mounted the CD and had a 85 meg CD and no more room on my CD. Had to erase all of the information which took a long time i guess 30 minutes and rewrite. This time i chose session write and when i mounted it this time my 85 megs was there plus the space left on the rest of the CD.

Hope this helps,
Greg Palmer

I did update the Toast software but havent updated the firmware on the cd burner. I think the firmware version on my burner is 1.0f. Mine was made in Jan 2000. If there was something wrong it didnt happen on my machine.

[Cipher13]

I've got G4 400/128/Toast 4.02/8424/OS 9.04/Adaptec 2906 SCSI card and I haven't had a single problem with that setup, which is rather incredible considering all the probs I had with the burner on my 5500.
I have burnt every kind of CD - 74 min, RW, 80 min, and 50 meg CD Cards all with no probs, and in every format too - ISO 9660, MacOS, Audio, CD-ROM XA, and never had a single coaster.
Its an awesome setup, no problems at all, and no conflicts with the Toast CD Reader either.
BTW, no firmware update.

Cipher13

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cipher13...

I bought the 8424 two days ago and it seems to work fine, although I can't always burn MP3's at 8X. I have to slow it down to 4, or 2 X.
BTW,
are you using Adaptec DirectCD to burn your RW's ?

Thanks

[Cipher13]

I use Adaptec Toast 4.0.2 for all CD's, and I just downloaded 4.1 but haven't tried it yet, and may not at all since 4.02 is going so well...
I haven't tried burning audio CD's from mp3, I do them directly form AIFF, as when burning mp3's, they need to be converted to the raw audio format CD's use, whereas with AIFF not much needs to be changed.
If burning from mp3, give a very large cache to Toast (at least 32 megs) but I STRONGLY recommend burning from aiff, even though they do eat up HD space like nothing else...

Cipher13

[nycitysteven]

I have a G4 400 192MB. Since it seems like SCSI is the way to go, from many posts here, and I would have to add a card to my computer, I have a question about rumors I have heard about OS X. I have heard that OS X will not support SCSI. Is this possible? I like Cipher13's system set up, but do not want it to become obsolete with OS X.

nycitysteven

[Cipher13]

SCSI not supported by OS X??? I never heard anything about that!
Jeez...Apple better change their mind or someone better write a hack or something or there are gonna be a lot of pissed off people out there, and I'll be one of them... I can understand dissing the floppy, but not SCSI, especially with new Ultra SCSI 160 or whetever its called.
I just paid $810 (Australian) for my SCSI burner and it better not be unusble with OS X...
Can anyone confirm?

Cipher13

[nycitysteven]

Here is a great link with many posts on the Yamaha 8424 and Mac compatability;
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/SCSI/yamaha8424.html

nycitysteven

Cipher13... So you use Toast for CDRW's ?
The Toast manual mentions using DirectCD so I
thought that was needed for re-writables.
So... I don't need DirectCD ?

BTW,In Toast Deluxe you can drag MP3's right into the Toast window and it will automagically convert them to audio CD format
and do a burn.

[Cipher13]

I use Toast Deluxe 4.02 for all my CD's and on the G4 I haven't had a single coaster, whether CD-RW, 74 min, 80 min or CD-Card.
You *can* use mp3's directly, but I don't recommend it... what system are you running (hardware/software)?
I wouldn't recommend using mp3's with anything less than a G3 400 with 64 megs RAM.

Cipher13

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Cipher13...

I'm using a G4/400, 128 ram/Apple scsi card and Toast 4.02
with a Yamaha 8424.
It seems to burn regular cd's fine, but as I mentioned, the Adaptec 4.0 book says to use
their "DirectCD" for CDRW's, so I'm confused.
DirectCD appears not to be bundled with either 3.5.7, or 4.0.

It sounds like you've burned CDRW's with 4.0...have you been able to re-write/erase
these or is it like a permanent burn?

Also, you mentioned not dropping MP3's right into Toast...what would you suggest..converting them first, and then burn?

Thanks

Originally posted by Cipher13:
I use Toast Deluxe 4.02 for all my CD's and on the G4 I haven't had a single coaster, whether CD-RW, 74 min, 80 min or CD-Card.
You *can* use mp3's directly, but I don't recommend it... what system are you running (hardware/software)?
I wouldn't recommend using mp3's with anything less than a G3 400 with 64 megs RAM.

Cipher13

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When you talk about burning mp3's directly to a CD are you talking about converting the mp3 to AudioCD format or just the plain datfile usable with MacAmp etc?

I have burned ISO9660 format CD's with just mp3's on them, to use on my Mac or PC's, with no problem on several differnt Yamaha recorders (oler 4X16 and the 8416 and my 8424) using Toast.

Just for my information and clarification.

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Life is an intelligence test...Don't Fail.

[Cipher13]

Mrbillmac, that is the exact same setup I have... I haven't read any manuals or anything (real men don't read instructions!! :-), and I have never had a problem with a CD-RW - writing, erasing, anything - they behave just like they should (with Toast 4.02). If you ask me, Adaptec just want you to go out and buy another of their products.
I don't suggest dropping mp3's into Toast when burning an Audio CD, as it takes time to convert them, and thats where errors happen - I suggest converting to aiff, then burning an audio CD.
Crazy K - I mean using an mp3 as the source file for a track on an audio CD. I have also burned just plain mp3 files to ISO 9660 discs (re-writable discs) just to transfer between computers - no probs there either.
Summary: use Toast 4.02 for all your burning needs and you wont have any problems :-)

Cipher13

[nycitysteven]

So,.... it sounds like if you had the 64 megs to spare it would be best to allocate it to Toast. I am on a G4 400 / 9.04 / 196MB's. I have toast 4.1. Where do I add memory? To minimum size or preferred size?

Thanks...nycitysteven

[Cipher13]

Increase the memory in the preffered section of the memory info window, if thats what you want to do - however, I didn't allocate more memory to that area - I just gave Toast a cache of 64 megs in its prefs - I don't think giving it more mem in the info window would do much more than eat up RAM that the cache could be using. If you want to use all mem available, set it to like 200 megs. It'll say you only have X amount of RAM, Toast will use that.

Cipher13

I think my LaCie is actually a Yamaha (system profiler). I got a scsi model. I also haven't made a coaster yet even burning audio at 8X. I have burned some stuff to a re-writtable disc without any probs, though I havent tried re-writting over the written stuff. What actually happens, do I need to do some sort of disc format before re-writting?

[Cipher13]

Its prob a LaCie with a Yamaha mechanism.
To re write data to a CD-RW you need to erase it with Toast (or whatever). With Toast, go to "Disc Info" in some menu, then hit the erase button.

Cipher13