[pkatt]

I'm so happy. I just bid on a Newton 2100 with memory card, case, battery, modem, cables, and adapter for $249. I sure hope I win!!!!!

Just use 'buy it now', just in case.

[pkatt]

I would've used buy it now, but it would've costed $70 more, and besides, there are 100 other 2100s on right now, so why would anyone try to outbid me?

[iNeusch]

What the f**k can you do with a newton 2001?

[pkatt]

Originally posted by iNeusch:
<STRONG>What the f**k can you do with a newton 2001?</STRONG>

You can't do anything with a Newton 2001 since they don't exist, but you can do a lot with a Newton 2100.[/LIST]

[btober]

Congratulations on your bid, pkatt! Once your Newton arrives, be sure to check out http://www.handshakecompanies.com/newton for Newton Movie Player and Newton Audio Player. I should have Preview 4 of Newton Audio Player out by the time you get your Newt (the current version is Preview 3).

[Hi I'm Ben]

why buy a newton? Just to be Mr. Mac?

as far as PDAs are concerned i've always liked a palm, I just bought a pocket PC, I enjoy that too for the word and easy hot syncing with my pc.

[pkatt]

I also have a palm (Handspring Visor) and I HATE it. Graffiti is HORRIBLE, it's slow, doesn't have much ram (2mb). I'm hoping that the Newton will be much better (especially since the one I bid on has a 32mb card and a modem.). Hopefully I'll find that it's better, as all people with them say.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by pkatt:
<STRONG>You can't do anything with a Newton 2001 since they don't exist, but you can do a lot with a Newton 2100.</STRONG>

Sorry for the typo... but I was wondering... can anyone tell me what is so cool about a newton 2100 ?

[ 12-25-2001: Message edited by: iNeusch ]

[pkatt]

I'd tell you iNeusch, but this one I bid on will be my first. I wouldn't mind someone telling me what I'm getting myself into either.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by pkatt:
<STRONG>I'd tell you iNeusch, but this one I bid on will be my first. I wouldn't mind someone telling me what I'm getting myself into either.</STRONG>

LOL !

Use google.com to find out what a Newton 2100 can do, then post your findings here.

[pkatt]

I looked at Google before I bid so I know what it does, I meant I wanted to know it they hold up (durability). Anyways, I just got online and I won the auction (as expected) so I'mm send the $$ and let you know how it goes!

[sine -''-..-]

damnit, the newton is the best platform out there. period. it sounds really strange, but its true to me. you'd have to own one and learn its ways before you could understand. but as a computing device, in my oppinion, noone has made a better platform. sure you cant run photoshop or final cut on it, but as a handheld, its pretty much flawless.

i sold mine, because ive been running out of money, but i miss it sorely. macs and peecees come and go, but somthing like the newton (esp. the 2100) is one of thoes things thats hard to let go of.

anyhow, just a lil nostalgia from a once-geek.

[MacAgent]

http://www.picsel.com/

[akebono]

Originally posted by MacAgent:
<STRONG>http://www.picsel.com/</STRONG>

Good god, what is that thing?

[akebono]

looks like some frankenstein device. See the bolts on the neck?

I've dropped my Newts. from 5 ft., the memory AND modem cards pop out as well the battery cage but just hit reset and all is well, even if the batts. are out for days, months, years, all the info. and software is still there, even the very last word I WROTE in HWR just before I dropped it. My friends have dropped their Palms/WinCEs just once and needed replacement or cursed at their Palms/WinCEs when the batts. run out and can't recharge/replace them fast enough...ouch.

[seanyepez]

I think the Newton was definitely great for its time, but it's showing its age. Newtons are heavy and slow compared to newer Windows CE PDA's. A PDA should be exactly what it stands for; it should be a personal data assistant. The Newton was much too heavy to be practical, and that is why Palm was successful for a long while.

While the Newton was good for its time, I don't think I would consider using one today. As terrible as it makes me to say this, the iPaq is a winner.

[pkatt]

I just sent the money order, so I should have a Newton soon. WL2100s post on durability reassured me. As for Seanyepez, well, I looked at the iPaq. Know what I saw: An expensive (more than Newton) PDA with no mac compatibility from Compaq with a Microsoft Operating system. I don't have that kind of money and would NEVER buy anything from Compaq. I have a Palm, and, well, yuck. The newton was about the only option I had, not to mention that I'd wanted one for a long time anyways.

[maxelson]

Originally posted by seanyepez:
<STRONG>I think the Newton was definitely great for its time, but it's showing its age. Newtons are heavy and slow compared to newer Windows CE PDA's. A PDA should be exactly what it stands for; it should be a personal data assistant. The Newton was much too heavy to be practical, and that is why Palm was successful for a long while.

While the Newton was good for its time, I don't think I would consider using one today. As terrible as it makes me to say this, the iPaq is a winner.</STRONG>

Hey, Folks. I SMELL Newton conversations, I swear.
sean: you say it is showing it's age. Well, yes. But "showing it's age" still ain't a bad thing to say for a device which has not been sold or supported for 6 years! I've said it before: I have trashed my Palm. Size is it's only advantage. The Newton, 6 years later, supported only by users and devoted developers, is still more than viable- useful to say the least. I have Newtons because they work WELL. Not because I wish to be ... *ahem* "Mr. Mac". I will give it up never.

[Paul Guyot]

Originally posted by seanyepez:
<STRONG>I think the Newton was definitely great for its time, but it's showing its age. Newtons are heavy and slow compared to newer Windows CE PDA's. A PDA should be exactly what it stands for; it should be a personal data assistant. The Newton was much too heavy to be practical, and that is why Palm was successful for a long while.

While the Newton was good for its time, I don't think I would consider using one today. As terrible as it makes me to say this, the iPaq is a winner.</STRONG>

Winner? Winner of what? There is some kind of cup among PDAs?
I doubt it's the most widespread PDA. At least, the iPaq is probably the fastest PDA. But being fast isn't all, pal. What counts for a user is what she does with it. What counts for a company is how many units they sell.

I don't think you're part of the race for the greatest market share, and if you were, you would know that the iPaq is lagging.

So I guess you're just saying that you better use your iPaq than any other unit. Great.

Personally, I better use my Newton than any other PDA, but in fact, my only contact with a Palm is via the emulator (plus laughing at friends when it takes them hours to add my name into their PDA) and with an iPaq, a fellow student who brought it the next day he saw I was taking notes with my Newton to show everybody that he had a PDA (he was still taking notes on paper, though). He brought it for two days and then I never saw it again (maybe he realized that the unit is useless as it ran out of batteries after a couple of hours?).

I won't say that the Newton is a winner, it's just what suits me most. And I hope that it will be the same for pkatt.

Welcome among Newton users, pkatt. If you need help, consider subscribing NewtonTalk. http://www.newtontalk.net .

Paul

[pkatt]

Thanks Paul. I too know how useless the Palm is since I have one. I've never used a Pocket PC, but like I said, I won't til they are mac compatible. I'm hoping the Newton will be better. Oh, and I already subscrice to Newtontalk. It's great!

[Petter]

Originally posted by akebono:
<STRONG>

Good god, what is that thing?

</STRONG>

Well the cellular is an old Ericsson mock up rendering I think - I've seen it at their site.

[ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: Petter ]

[jock]

I've had 3 newtons and my 2000 is my current item, sure its not as up to date as the windows toys but it still is useful.
Now if only somebody would enable the serial ports in X and then carbonise backup........
I know its a long wish list :-)

Like somebody said on Newtontalk... "I *HAVE* a Palm and a iPaq, but I *USE* a Newton, a Newton running 215-Mhz."...

Besides, I have a Vadem Clio *ONLY* for SSL web browsing, 6-10 hour batts. and color screen, other than that it's clumsy and slow(even though it has a 168-mhz. chip compared to the Newts. orig. 162-mhz).

[seanyepez]

I suppose I think Newtoms were too much an attempt to emulate desktop functionality than a foray into a true mobile organizer market.

Actually the Newton does 90% of what a desktop/laptop does. There's a biochem specialist in Hawaii that uses the EZShow card for Powerpoint presentations in color. I've used the NewtFTP to download pkgs. I print from my Newt. whatever I need. I take 1000+ word notes right on my Newt., even email/print/beam(also to palms) anywhere I am, that's mobile. For five years I've used a Newt. for business as much as personal, until the latest software for the Newt. came only in zip/stuffit format Oh well, I got a used PCG-505FX for unzipping/unstuffing, color web browsing and SSL access. Now I use a Vadem Clio for color and SSL web browsing, but if the current Newton programmers continue to access the 'bowels' of Newton, I can sell the non-Newton stuff...

[Paul Guyot]

Hey, ooW, you can unzip on the Newton with Newtscape UnzipBMP plug-in:
http://members.home.net/saweyer/newt...cape/unzip.htm .

Paul

WOW! I guess I should 'RTFM' once in a while!?!

...hmmm, I did get a QBE so I can now get rid of the Sony...

Thanks Paul!!! ...now to get ready for the next meeting...

Originally posted by seanyepez:
<STRONG>I suppose I think Newtoms were too much an attempt to emulate desktop functionality than a foray into a true mobile organizer market.</STRONG>

Umm.. no. Newton was designed from the ground up as a personal digital assistant. It just happened to be powerful enough in its last few forms to do spreadsheets, WP, database, web-browsing, and whatever else you might want to do. Absolutely the most amazing piece of technology to ever land in a consumer's hands. Sit down with one sometime, play for 5 minutes, and you will no doubt agree.

dudes & dudets,

the new pda from Apple "iWalk" is going to be the next generation pda... and I'm sure it will incorporate NewtonOS and MacOS X features, as I'm sure devoted programmers like myself, have noticed that Apple didn't sell off the Newton techology... and their Newton ftp site was last updated last year in September... which says something, doesn't it?

check out ftp://ftp.apple.com... have a look around, beats looking at the Apple website to find stuff!!!!


also check out http://www.spymac.com/... oh well, I bought my Newton 2k not so long ago, and now in the process of upgrading it to 220Mhz/4Mb DRAM http://www.pixsolution.com/products.html... for the AUS$500 that I'll need to fork out, I'll still do it

the Newton 2XXX series are reminisant to that of the 20th Aniversery Mac... which I think to this date and won't include the new gereation iMacs, which will com out next week, is the best looking Mac yet, thats apart from the Quicksilver towers... that goes for the Newton PDA 2xxx series aswell...


I guess when the new PDAs will come out, the prices of Newton 2XXX will go down on ebay... I'll definitly buy some extra stuff for my trusteee Newton 2K... oh like the vga/tv output http://www.ezshow.com/prod01.htm and some others like the ATA memory, when Paul decides to finish the drivers


cheers

[pkatt]

I just got an email saying they got my money. Should be shipping in 24-48 hrs.

[Group51]

Originally posted by pkatt:
<STRONG>I also have a palm (Handspring Visor) and I HATE it. Graffiti is HORRIBLE, it's slow, doesn't have much ram (2mb). I'm hoping that the Newton will be much better (especially since the one I bid on has a 32mb card and a modem.). Hopefully I'll find that it's better, as all people with them say.</STRONG>

I hear the 2100 is much faster than the 2000 I had, so great. I just went to other way, selling mine on eBay for something like £180ukp (more than what I paid)! I found the Palm 3's grafitti surprisingly easy to master (although I have practiced on a Newt OMP before - you know that Graffiti was done for the Newton first right?). The best thing about the Newt for me was Notes. I have yet to come across a better notepad/task list thingy. The worst was connectivity with my phone (Nokia 7110). If only Apple had finished the irda drivers.

[Group51]

Originally posted by akebono:
<STRONG>

Good god, what is that thing?

</STRONG>

Its a Nokia 3rd Generation mobile phone. This, I think, is why PDAs aren't selling at the moment outside the US (which is in recession anyway). Who will buy a PDA when it will be out of date soon?

Infobite - biggest selling PDA in the UK today? Nokia 9210 smart phone.

[ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: Group51 ]

[Group51]

Originally posted by Group51:
<STRONG>

Its a 3rd Generation mobile phone. This, I think, is why PDAs aren't selling at the moment outside the US (which is in recession anyway). Who will buy a PDA when it will be out of date soon?

Infobite - biggest selling PDA in the UK today? Nokia 9210 smart phone.</STRONG>

Oh yes, the OS it is running is known as Symbian (spin off from EPOC).

[pkatt]

Yah, I know Graffiti was Newt first. I just find it hard. Not so much the writing, but the other commands (backspace, comma, colon, etc.) I get them confused and when I remember them, I mess something up. I'm hoping that natural recognition will be better.

[Jan Van Boghout]

Originally posted by akebono:
<STRONG>

Good god, what is that thing?

</STRONG>

Does anybody else notice the lack of the Apple branded PDA thing that was on that picture before ?
It was one of those stupid iPhone mock-ups , but they seem to have removed it . lol

[skipskool]

Welcome to the ever-growing Newton community.
Some the WAY COOL things Newton does:
1) do you remember that iWalk video of handwriting recognition that was posted the other day? well, I have my MP2100 recognizing my handwriting at that speed! The accuracy is above iPaq's running PC2002. note: the MP2100 OS 2.0 will "learn" YOUR style and idiosyncrocies. I am amazed at what it recognizes (I would love to post an .mpeg showing my high speed "garbage handwriting entry" and Newton's correct interpretation).
3) Newton can allow you to open an application with a single pen gesture.
4) Newton will link you to anything, even voice memos scattered
5) I just returned my iPaq 3850 in favor of a MP2100 because of Newton's speed (it blows away PPC's Agenda Fusion), it's intuitive OS, its huge landscape screen and the cool animation it makes when you scribble out a mistake.

[pkatt]

Thanks. I'm really excited. I was a tad upset when I saw the iWalk video, because I thought it HAD to be real because the 5 year old newton couldn't possibly work that good, but I'm a little relieved hearing your thoughts. I'd still be pretty upset though if they release a PDA monday.

[pkatt]

Well, I just got it. WOW! Much better than my visor, but MUCH bigger and heavier. I haven't done anything yet, but the HWR is awesome. The battery is dead though. Do I just leave it plugged in to charge? Also, anyone know where I can get a new rechargeable or, better, a tray for AAs? Thanks.

The battery needs to be conditioned. 1.Use(if you can) the batt. till Newt. turns off. 2.Recharge with wall charger for 12 hours DO NOT USE. 3.Use the Newt. until it turns off. 4.Recharge with wall charger for 12 hours DO NOT USE. 5.If the batt. is usable, great. If not then try ebay for the tray...or if you ever come to Los Angeles, you can come to our meetings.

Well, I have HP Jornada 560 (with the newest PocketPC 2002) from Year 2001 on the right side of my desktop monitor and Newton 2100 from 1997 on the left side. Quess what. I'm only using Jornada to read my e-mails and check calendar when away (Sync works great via IrDA modem and Nokia 6210). I'm using Newton for taking notes on the meetings and in terms of usability and HWR Newton still beats the socks off from the PocketPC hands down. Period.

PocketPC has long way to go. Very long.