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LagunaSol · Jan 18, 2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Fdanna

I'm in the same building as Vmware... wish I could get chummy with someone who can give me answers :-)

Follow some of them to lunch and sit at a nearby table. They're sure to blab.

ravenz · Jan 18, 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by LagunaSol

You're doing a good deed for your fellow man.

That's the only reason I haven't given up!

Macola · Jan 18, 2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by ravenz

That's the only reason I haven't given up!

Yes, I'm refreshing this page to see how it goes!

C.J. Moof · Jan 18, 2006, 01:31 PM

Hes' not the only one refreshing this..... can we do an RSS feed for a specific thread?

ravenz · Jan 18, 2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by C.J. Moof

Hes' not the only one refreshing this..... can we do an RSS feed for a specific thread?

Ok, the setup copying procedure is done (2 1/2 hours!).

"Please wait while Setup initializes your Windows XP configuration."

It's been here for about 5 minutes (not frozen because I see loading status changes on the bottom of the screen).

Macola · Jan 18, 2006, 01:37 PM

From what I remember of my XP installs, this could take another 30 mins or so...

kerver · Jan 18, 2006, 01:40 PM

Just ordered 1gb upgrade from Crucial. Their website says out of stock but if you call, it's in stock at $117.89.

ravenz · Jan 18, 2006, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by ravenz

Ok, the setup copying procedure is done (2 1/2 hours!).

"Please wait while Setup initializes your Windows XP configuration."

It's been here for about 5 minutes (not frozen because I see loading status changes on the bottom of the screen).

Ok, the instructions were bad - it tried to reboot from the virtual CD and re-install Windows XP. I quit WinTel (Bochs), and this time checked the preference to load from the virtual disk instead.

Now it won't load the virtual disk. Rebooting.

Voch · Jan 18, 2006, 01:55 PM

Anyone just try compiling Bochs for Mac OS X? I can give it a whirl when I get home (four hours or so), but it'll be on my 'ol TiBook (not x86).

http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/doc...COMPILE-MACOSX

What does Wintel have over Bochs anyway other than a pretty setup UI?

Voch

ravenz · Jan 18, 2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by ravenz

Ok, the instructions were bad - it tried to reboot from the virtual CD and re-install Windows XP. I quit WinTel (Bochs), and this time checked the preference to load from the virtual disk instead.

Now it won't load the virtual disk. Rebooting.

New photo posted at:

http://homepage.mac.com/ravenzachary/PhotoAlbum1.html

I'm in the next stage of install now, and performance is horrible.

MORT A POTTY · Jan 18, 2006, 02:06 PM

you guys are getting ****ed w/ OpenOSX... there is no reason at all for there to be a). such a damn slow as dirt emulator for Windows, especially on an x86 based computer, and b). to buy an app that emulates it worse than Virtual PC does on PPC.

ravenz · Jan 18, 2006, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by MORT A POTTY

you guys are getting ****ed w/ OpenOSX... there is no reason at all for there to be a). such a damn slow as dirt emulator for Windows, especially on an x86 based computer, and b). to buy an app that emulates it worse than Virtual PC does on PPC.

Agreed. I give up. I've just wasted 3-4 hours trying to get this thing loaded and performance clearly is really bad.

We'll see what clever response OpenOSX gives me to my performance questions (if they reply at all).

Oh well, I tried.

buffswin · 02:18 PM

I will be interested to see how this plays out, and how increased memory effects performance.

While I don't really understand the necessity for XP on a Mac (if you want XP- buy a computer that runs XP) I can understand that there is SOME software out there that simply WON'T work on a Mac.

Farfarello · Jan 18, 2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by ravenz

Agreed. I give up. I've just wasted 3-4 hours trying to get this thing loaded and performance clearly is really bad.

We'll see what clever response OpenOSX gives me to my performance questions (if they reply at all).

Oh well, I tried.

Maybe you can try Windows Vista (beta), this would be interesting.

Farfarello · Jan 18, 2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by buffswin

I will be interested to see how this plays out, and how increased memory effects performance.

While I don't really understand the necessity for XP on a Mac (if you want XP- but a computer that runs XP) I can understand that there is SOME software out there that simply WON'T work on a Mac.

I can only talk about me, but I need XP only for Games. Since 4 years I switched to Mac and I'm really happy. The only thing I miss are the games and it will be cool if it's possible to have a Mac with OS X and Windows.

Macola · Jan 18, 2006, 02:20 PM

For games, I don't think anything would beat a (real) PC. What I really need is to be able to take both OSs with me on the road...a MacBook Pro running both would be outstanding.

buffswin · Jan 18, 2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Farfarello

I can only talk about me, but I need XP only for Games. Since 4 years I switched to Mac and I'm really happy. The only thing I miss are the games and it will be cool if it's possible to have a Mac with OS X and Windows.

I hear ya-- the only reason I HAVEN'T made the switch to Mac is because of the games.

But even if you could emulate XP on your Mac -- would you want to - to play games? Emulating games would be s-l-o-w!

Blackcrayon · Jan 18, 2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by ravenz

Agreed. I give up. I've just wasted 3-4 hours trying to get this thing loaded and performance clearly is really bad.

We'll see what clever response OpenOSX gives me to my performance questions (if they reply at all).

Oh well, I tried.

Thanks for trying, maybe it'll persuade others to avoid openosx for that product for now.

As someone on the thread already pointed out (you?), Bochs is designed to emulate an x86 processor, not to give you a VM in the sense that VMware does it. Even the Bochs guys say it's slow on an x86. OpenOSX is misleading people to believe it's natively running x86 instructions right on the intel cpu.

From the Bochs Faq: http://bochs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin.../user/faq.html

1.9.5. Tell me about performance when running Bochs.

Because Bochs emulates every x86 instruction and all the devices in a PC system, it does not reach high emulation speeds. Kevin reported approximately 1.5MIPS using Bochs on a 400MHz PII Linux machine. Users who have an x86 processor and want the highest emulation speeds may want to consider PC virtualization software such as plex86 (free software) or VMware (proprietary and commercial). Another related project is QEMU.

buffswin · Jan 18, 2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Macola

For games, I don't think anything would beat a (real) PC. What I really need is to be able to take both OSs with me on the road...a MacBook Pro running both would be outstanding.

If it could run absolutely natively -- I agree.

Would be nice to have a computer where you could partition two operating systems, and then decide which one you wanted to use, depending upon the application.

Farfarello · Jan 18, 2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by buffswin

I hear ya-- the only reason I HAVEN'T made the switch to Mac is because of the games.

But even if you could emulate XP on your Mac -- would you want to - to play games? Emulating games would be s-l-o-w!

Yes, emulating games would be slow or wouldn't work at all, but I don't want to emulate windows (have virtual pc7 on my powermac g5 and it work good). I want a native Windows and i think and hope Vista will be able to boot on intel mac.

buffswin · Jan 18, 2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Farfarello

Yes, emulating games would be slow or wouldn't work at all, but I don't want to emulate windows (have virtual pc7 on my powermac g5 and it work good). I want a native Windows and i think and hope Vista will be able to boot on intel mac.

Only time will tell, I suppose- but I agree- that would be nice if that was possible.