[JKT]

Originally Posted by toddtmw

Yes, the Logitech people were very helpful when I asked about new drivers. This is what they had to say: <snip>

You can force System Preferences to run using the PPC version of the Universal Binary (I think you can change the setting in the Get Info pane) which will give you access to PPC only preference panes. I don't know if that will allow you to set the buttons on your logitech or not, but you could give it a go...

From today's www.macfixit.com:

Getting non-native Preference panes to run As we previously noted, preference panes with PowerPC-code cannot run on Intel-based Macs, as the System Preferences application launches (by default) in Intel-mode.

You can, however, force the System Preferences application to run under Rosetta (navigate to /Applications, click on the System Preferences icon, go to Get Info and check "Run with Rosetta") in order to access such Preference panes on your Intel-based Mac.

MacFixIt reader Stéphane has put this workaround into practice, and notes:

"In this case, the native will not run any more, but it's a workaround. You can probably make a copy of the 'System Preferences' application, for PPC Prefpanes only; and leave the original for the native ones."

[toddtmw]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Maybe the new one will make the binary even more native than the last release.

Well, in this version, they made the front-end run Intel native, so that should help...

-Todd

[ciparis]

Originally Posted by Mediaman_12

Ok so the thread has swayed way from what the tittle suggests but. I have Just got my Intel iMac, and didn't realise that I would need new drivers for my Logitech MX1000 mouse, the thumb buttons ect no longer working So in there any word from Logitech on updated drivers, or on any third party drivers (like USB Overdrive).

USB Overdrive has now been updated:
http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html

I've been running it for a couple of days -- seems terrific. I'm using it with a Logitech G5 (which never had Mac drivers to begin with), and while I've lost the ability to shift resolutions on the fly (for the moment), I can instead reassign those buttons to anything else that I want, which is very handy on this mouse which otherwise has fewer buttons than usual available.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by ciparis

USB Overdrive has now been updated:
http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html

I've been running it for a couple of days -- seems terrific.

Very good news about USB overdrive, and it couldn't have come at a better time, since I'm just now setting up my Intel iMac. Now I can use the other buttons on my Logitech mouse.

[toddtmw]

Originally Posted by ravenz

Ok, the setup copying procedure is done (2 1/2 hours!).

"Please wait while Setup initializes your Windows XP configuration."

It's been here for about 5 minutes (not frozen because I see loading status changes on the bottom of the screen).

Well, I'm using the 2.0.1 version and it DOES seem faster. It finished the "copy" part in about an hour on my 20" amd it is "intalling" now. (I have the screen telling me all the cool stuff about XP and the 39 minute estimate to complete the install. (Same 39 minutes it gives on every iinstall I've ever done, whether, it actually takes 30 or 300 minutes.)

I'll post more as it progresses, but so far, it DOES seem that this version is faster than what Ravenz was seeing with the previous version. (And I'm still only running with 512MB).

-todd

[toddtmw]

Originally Posted by toddtmw

Well, I'm using the 2.0.1 version and it DOES seem faster. It finished the "copy" part in about an hour on my 20" amd it is "intalling" now. (I have the screen telling me all the cool stuff about XP and the 39 minute estimate to complete the install. (Same 39 minutes it gives on every iinstall I've ever done, whether, it actually takes 30 or 300 minutes.)

I'll post more as it progresses, but so far, it DOES seem that this version is faster than what Ravenz was seeing with the previous version. (And I'm still only running with 512MB).

-todd

Well, I've run into some problems. The Windows XP install fails shortly after starting and tells me that there is some sort of catalog error. So, I tried to install Windows 98. But my Windows 98 disk is not a bootable disk, so I have to boot from the freedos disk they provided. It seems to have trouble booting something to himem, which I think is why the Windows 98 install fails right off the bat saying I need 16 meg to install Windows. (Even though I gave it 64 meg). I have an image of a windows startup disk, but it's nit exactly the right size and Wintel won't let me use it. I have a Windows startup disk that I burned to a CD to use in computers without a floppy, but it won't boot from that either.

I really DO think that this version would be faster, but I cannot get an install to work. I have an ME install disk, but it's only an upgrade disk and I do not know if I will be able to get past the check for a previous system. Maybe I can boot from that and get dos installed on my "hard drive" to get it bootable. I play around with it and see what I can do...

-Todd

[ravenz]

Originally Posted by toddtmw

I'll post more as it progresses, but so far, it DOES seem that this version is faster than what Ravenz was seeing with the previous version. (And I'm still only running with 512MB).

Yeah, 2.0.1 is faster...I guess. Windows XP went from booting in about 15 minutes to booting in about 5 minutes. Both are unusable. I upgraded my RAM today to 1.5GB and gave WinTel a 512MB allocation.

I think I'll have to wait for iEmulator, which uses QEMU. The developer said that current tests on the Intel iMac are very promising. An update to iEmulator is expected next month.

[toddtmw]

Originally Posted by ravenz

Yeah, 2.0.1 is faster...I guess. Windows XP went from booting in about 15 minutes to booting in about 5 minutes. Both are unusable. I upgraded my RAM today to 1.5GB and gave WinTel a 512MB allocation.

I think I'll have to wait for iEmulator, which uses QEMU. The developer said that current tests on the Intel iMac are very promising. An update to iEmulator is expected next month.

Well, I couldn't get XP to install in "optimized" mode, so I had to turn that off. I left it installing all night and when I got up this monring, it wanted me to do the time zone stuff, now it's installing and it still sayd it wants 33 minutes to complete.

Plus, there's the added fun that every time I hit the shift key five times (while typing in other apps...like this web page...) it pops up the stickey keys dialog in Bochs. (not tapping it five times in a row, but every time I hit it to capitalize a word, or get a symbol, that counts...five of those and it asks if I want to turn on sticky keys...while the installer is running!) Which can't be helping the speed issue.

Finally, optimized or not, this app never gets above 98% of the CPU. But, it seems to be keeping them both at around 50%, so it appears to be hitting both CPU's. I don't know why it doesn't get closer to 200%. Seems like that would help.

[handras]

i've added the PM D core 2.3 results to the intel vs g5 tests. The tests of the Intel iMac 20'' will be ready too soon.

English version:

http://web.mac.com/handras/iWeb/Site/intel1eng.html

[toddtmw]

Originally Posted by JKT

You can force System Preferences to run using the PPC version of the Universal Binary (I think you can change the setting in the Get Info pane) which will give you access to PPC only preference panes. I don't know if that will allow you to set the buttons on your logitech or not, but you could give it a go...

From today's www.macfixit.com:

Getting non-native Preference panes to run As we previously noted, preference panes with PowerPC-code cannot run on Intel-based Macs, as the System Preferences application launches (by default) in Intel-mode.

You can, however, force the System Preferences application to run under Rosetta (navigate to /Applications, click on the System Preferences icon, go to Get Info and check "Run with Rosetta") in order to access such Preference panes on your Intel-based Mac.

MacFixIt reader Stéphane has put this workaround into practice, and notes:

"In this case, the native will not run any more, but it's a workaround. You can probably make a copy of the 'System Preferences' application, for PPC Prefpanes only; and leave the original for the native ones."

This doesn't work. Apparently, macfixit posts articles based on conjecture, rather than experience. The System Preferences app does not list the "Open using Rosetta" checkbox under get info.

I guess I could split it and create an Intel version and a PPC version, but I doubt it would help as I imagine most apps that require preference panes also use Kernel Extensions which wouldn't work either...

-Todd

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by handras

i've added the PM D core 2.3 results to the intel vs g5 tests. The tests of the Intel iMac 20'' will be ready too soon.

English version:

http://web.mac.com/handras/iWeb/Site/intel1eng.html

Thanks for the work. The headings are still wrong though. eg. "Handbrake - Time in seconds, longer bars are better"

[rboisjoly]

Even running 2.0.1, on a 1 Gig iMac Intel, its still too slow to use. Really really slow. I have no idea how you guys got it to be so fast! Really, it took 48 hours to install and configure XP Pro!

Can you share your settings in WinTel? Perhaps mine are way off? Although I,ve used their recommendations.

I did get XP installed, but the graphics are screwy. It boots in a number of minutes (probably 10 or so).

I'll be trying 98 soon to see how much faster it can be.

But I still say its false advertizing to claim near-native performance. To me, native = speed of a PC running the Core Duo chip... but they do not offer refunds... sh*t

[rboisjoly]

Bug in browser, sorry for the multi-post...

[rboisjoly]

Even running 2.0.1, on a 1 Gig iMac Intel, its still too slow to use. Really really slow. I have no idea how you guys got it to be so fast! Really, it took 48 hours to install and configure XP Pro!

Can you share your settings in WinTel? Perhaps mine are way off? Although I,ve used their recommendations.

I did get XP installed, but the graphics are screwy. It boots in a number of minutes (probably 10 or so).

I'll be trying 98 soon to see how much faster it can be.

But I still say its false advertizing to claim near-native performance. To me, native = speed of a PC running the Core Duo chip... but they do not offer refunds... sh*t

[rboisjoly]

Even running 2.0.1, on a 1 Gig iMac Intel, its still too slow to use. Really really slow. I have no idea how you guys got it to be so fast! Really, it took 48 hours to install and configure XP Pro!

Can you share your settings in WinTel? Perhaps mine are way off? Although I,ve used their recommendations.

I did get XP installed, but the graphics are screwy. It boots in a number of minutes (probably 10 or so).

I'll be trying 98 soon to see how much faster it can be.

But I still say its false advertizing to claim near-native performance. To me, native = speed of a PC running the Core Duo chip... but they do not offer refunds... sh*t

[rboisjoly]

Bug in browser, sorry for the multi-post...

[handras]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Thanks for the work. The headings are still wrong though. eg. "Handbrake - Time in seconds, longer bars are better"

Oops, thanks! Corrected.

[handras]

i've added the 20" iMac core duo results to the intel vs g5 tests.

http://web.mac.com/handras/iWeb/Site/intel1eng.html

[handras]

double post..

[handras]

double post..