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Hey everyone, I'm looking to buy a G3 (Desktop, Tower, AIO) that I can turn into a dedicated Apache Web Server using OSX. Doesn't need to be B&W... Beige is more than enough.
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PseuFighter@shsknight.com
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Originally posted by PseuFighter:
<STRONG>Hey everyone, I'm looking to buy a G3 (Desktop, Tower, AIO) that I can turn into a dedicated Apache Web Server using OSX. Doesn't need to be B&W... Beige is more than enough.
Thanks!
PseuFighter@shsknight.com</STRONG>
Are you sure you need OS X? If it's a dedicated server, why wouldn't you just use Darwin, the non-graphical Free core to OS X? You can ssh in from the machine where you write your xhtml to admin the thing, or ftp to it. Beige is WAY more than enough for Darwin.
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Wont I need a G3 for Darwin... The backbone of Mac OSX? In the end what I would like to accomplish is SSI and Unix CGI scripting. I'm running a news website, www.shsknight.com, off my iMac 266MHz in Classic Web Sharing. But can't do much more than run simple html pages. And since I use this machine for my primary use, most of the applications I work are native to Classic. OSX runs way too sloooooowww on this machine, and Classic WebStar can't handle Unix CGI scripts.
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I've got a Rev. A Beige tower you might be interested in. I was running OS X on it and it worked great.
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Originally posted by PseuFighter:
<STRONG>Wont I need a G3 for Darwin... The backbone of Mac OSX? In the end what I would like to accomplish is SSI and Unix CGI scripting. I'm running a news website, www.shsknight.com, off my iMac 266MHz in Classic Web Sharing. But can't do much more than run simple html pages. And since I use this machine for my primary use, most of the applications I work are native to Classic. OSX runs way too sloooooowww on this machine, and Classic WebStar can't handle Unix CGI scripts.</STRONG>
You could get that tower that trisami has mentioned-- but if you have two machines, I suggest you do all your development and work in Classic like you're accustomed to, and use Darwin running Apache to serve your html and cgi goodies.
You could do this just as easily with linux on x86, but darwin is cooler. I was thinking that you had two Macs already, but if you're using your server as a work machine as well, then by all means pick up the tower. I just advocate Darwin, because if you aren't running any applications on it that require a pretty screen, I believe you can serve more requests without the pretty graphics.
Darwin will run on lesser machines if you use the unsupported X utility methods, but.. it will be easier to set up on the g3/ iMac.
Do this- schedule a very little down time of the server. set up OS X on the iMac. set up web sharing there. log out of the graphic environment, and at the login prompt type >console
you'll be in Darwin. Now, swamp the server and see if it responds better?
(as with any Unix program, you can tweak apache settings. and it will Definately let you run your CGI.)
Victor Marks
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FWIW, I am currently running Darwin on a 7300/200 that I picked up for $100. Installation was a tad difficult/problematic, but if you read the docs at the Unsupported UtilityX site, it's certainly possible. Once installed and configured, it's been running and serving web pages via Apache, allowing ftp and ssh access all flawlessly. I highly recommend this way of doing things if you don't need a heavy-duty machine to handle a lot of traffic.
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Well, while we're on the topic of alternate ways to run a unix web server, I might as well throw out this question, since I can see the machine sitting about 10 ft behind me... Is there anything I can do with my Performa 630CD (33MHz 68k) to turn it into an apache web server? That would pretty much solve everything, since it has an ethernet card installed.
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Originally posted by PseuFighter:
<STRONG>Well, while we're on the topic of alternate ways to run a unix web server, I might as well throw out this question, since I can see the machine sitting about 10 ft behind me... Is there anything I can do with my Performa 630CD (33MHz 68k) to turn it into an apache web server? That would pretty much solve everything, since it has an ethernet card installed.</STRONG>
NetBSD.
NetBSD will run on it and I believe serve up apache. However, it doesn't have OpenFirmware, so to get into NetBSD, you have to boot through MacOS, which sort of defeats the point. I haven't run NetBSD on 68k, so I don't know for certain how effective it is.
In fact the NetBSD/68k firewall distribution has apache in it, so if you had a 70mb scsi drive or larger, you can go for it.
http://www.netbsd.org/ Ports/mac68k/
I do imagine that the higher bus speed, higher processor speed, and more memory of a newer machine would allow you to serve more pages. We're getting into the realm of _things you can do_ but out of the realm of _things it makes good sense to do_.
I have 5 LC II machines, four with ethernet... should I put NetBSD on them? I don't know, I think it'd be more work to get it on there then it would be useful... I guess I could tho...
That 7300/200 that MacOS761 was talking about sounds like a decent way to go, and it's respectable hardware- I have RS/6000 AIX server at work that are 604e powered.
Victor Marks
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I've got a Blue & White G3 that I'd be willing to part with. It was my main work house, but since I got my TiBook I only use it scantly for some Photoshop work or to test out apps in OS X. The specs are standard from the factory for a 350mhz G3, except that it has a 9GB SCSI hard drive & card instead of an IDE hard drive. It has 256MB of RAM upgraded from 128. The general specs can be found URL=http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_350_bl.html]here.[/URL]
Email me if you're interested.
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Sorry for the muffed up URL on the last post.
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jayfraud.com - everything you need to know.
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What about linux... you don't >HAVE< to use OS X... especially if you have like a 7200... what about LinuxPPC and Yellow dog Linux... Built for your mac!!!
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Darwin is the way to go on a Beige G3; it uses little RAM and has an X Windows System, especially if you install Gnu-Darwin and get all the nifty extras.
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