[Athens]

I would like to see more importance place on re-banning those who circumvent being banned. I did my 2 weeks with out coming back as another identity, I only expect those that don’t get re-banned for constancy. Its annoying really.

[Kevin]

Why did he get banned in the first place?

[Athens]

who knows, ive seen a couple posts in the last week that could have lead to warnings that resulted in bans

[Athens]

i got banned for nothing, but i still served my time

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Athens

i got banned for nothing, but i still served my time

NOBODY EVER got banned for doing something wrong.

-t

[Maflynn]

Either the mods have a double standard or they just don't care. Either way its not a good situation.

The sad thing Ca$h makes no attempt to hide his identity or change his ways yet the mods blithely continue on like there's no problem. They seemed more concerned about nonsense threads and locking them then in dealing with people who have a total disregard to the rules.

Mike

[tooki]

Ok, you try to enforce a ban to a site. Single-use email? Nope, just use Yahoo. Ban IP? Reboot the cable modem and you've got a new one, or use a proxy.

In other words, besides requiring and verifying social security and credit card numbers, there's no way to prevent people from re-registering. It's not that we don't care, it's that we do not have the manpower nor inclination to do what we once did with Cash and ban 30 re-registrations per day. It's not our fault he's hell-bent on being here to the point of irrational manic re-registration.

tooki

[turtle777]

How about giving user's the power to vote a ban on somebody ?
Ban-mocrazy ?

-t

[Maflynn]

Originally Posted by tooki

Ok, you try to enforce a ban to a site. Single-use email? Nope, just use Yahoo. Ban IP? Reboot the cable modem and you've got a new one, or use a proxy.
tooki

Oh come on is Maccnn the only site that cannot manage the forums. Some action is better then no action you guys let him post ad nauseaum. He registers a new id, hides in plain site and the mods sit by while he hijacks threads, bickers with others and generally disregards the rules. By not addressing the problem the mods give the impression that you apply the rules unevenly.

Other sites seem to have controls, such as requiring the use of actual email address for registration, no hotmail, or gmail type address that are free. That cuts down a on a lot multiple accounts. Also if you IP ban a person along with the actual email registration that will cut down on the majority of issues. Of those that still slip by ban the account as soon as you know its him and in Ca$h's case he doens't hide so its pretty easy to confirm that it is him.

Mike

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by tooki

Ok, you try to enforce a ban to a site. Single-use email? Nope, just use Yahoo. Ban IP? Reboot the cable modem and you've got a new one, or use a proxy.

Shhh.. Rob isn't that smart. And has never used said tactic.
Once he is IP banned, he is usually gone till it's lifted.

BTW, rebooting cable modem doesn't always work. Esp wit Charter. I know.

In other words, besides requiring and verifying social security and credit card numbers, there's no way to prevent people from re-registering. It's not that we don't care, it's that we do not have the manpower nor inclination to do what we once did with Cash and ban 30 re-registrations per day. It's not our fault he's hell-bent on being here to the point of irrational manic re-registration.

tooki

Try and IP ban and see what happens.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Other sites seem to have controls, such as requiring the use of actual email address for registration, no hotmail, or gmail type address that are free. That cuts down a on a lot multiple accounts. Also if you IP ban a person along with the actual email registration that will cut down on the majority of issues. Of those that still slip by ban the account as soon as you know its him and in Ca$h's case he doens't hide so its pretty easy to confirm that it is him.

Mike

I did the multiple account registering thing once when I was banned. Not bragging about doing it, it was lame when I did it too. And the fact I could register yahoo emails was the reason I was able to do it.

Wont matter how many IPs you can get, if you can get that many email addresses.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by turtle777

How about giving user's the power to vote a ban on somebody ?
Ban-mocrazy ?

-t

We say No to popularity contests.

tooki

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Oh come on is Maccnn the only site that cannot manage the forums. Some action is better then no action you guys let him post ad nauseaum. He registers a new id, hides in plain site and the mods sit by while he hijacks threads, bickers with others and generally disregards the rules. By not addressing the problem the mods give the impression that you apply the rules unevenly.

Other sites seem to have controls, such as requiring the use of actual email address for registration, no hotmail, or gmail type address that are free. That cuts down a on a lot multiple accounts. Also if you IP ban a person along with the actual email registration that will cut down on the majority of issues. Of those that still slip by ban the account as soon as you know its him and in Ca$h's case he doens't hide so its pretty easy to confirm that it is him.

Mike

You'd be wrong.

tooki

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Shhh.. Rob isn't that smart. And has never used said tactic.
Once he is IP banned, he is usually gone till it's lifted.

BTW, rebooting cable modem doesn't always work. Esp wit Charter. I know.

Try and IP ban and see what happens.

You, also, would be wrong. He has circumvented IP bans repeatedly.

tooki

[Maflynn]

Originally Posted by tooki

You'd be wrong.

tooki

How so? instead of giving me a one line answer please explain. I'd be the first to admit I do not have all of the answers. Seems asinine to me that you say I'm wrong but the proof is in the pudding. Other sites (not just mac related) seem to be able to manage their forums. What makes macnn so different that it cannot be done?

Ok for the sake of peace, lets say I am wrong, why not ban ca$h, you see he's back in the lounge area. Just seems to me that you have rules for most of us, and rules for a select few.

[Kevin]

Yeah, Harmony Central is bigger than MacNN and it uses that method.

You MIGHT be able to get one or two in.. but they get banned soon.

So why even ban Rob? Isn't is fruitless?

[Athens]

then ban the use of free email accounts, such as yahoo, msn, hotmail, gmail and require only ISP email addresses, that will cure the problem. Block his ip plus all 255 numbers in the last 2 octets of his ip address, resetting modem wont work well either. Personally I just like to every post he makes while banned deleted. Worst case report his ip to his ISP. But I doubt it would have to go that far. Another option when some one is banned set admin only registration approval for a couple days. The amount of work you have by bastard posters vs accepting registrations manually for a few days, I bet doing the registrations will be easier. And overall things would improve.

[tooki]

1. We can't ban every free email provider out there.
Too many people don't HAVE ISP-provided email accounts.

2. We can't ban whole class C's of IP addresses.
Rob isn't the only user of the system. We can't risk banning whole swaths of users.

3. Contacting ISPs is fruitless. They do not respond.

4. Remember above where I spoke of manpower? We don't have the people to screen dozens of registrations per day.

tooki

[tooki]

Fine, i'll try to address the specifics.

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Oh come on is Maccnn the only site that cannot manage the forums. Some action is better then no action you guys let him post ad nauseaum. He registers a new id, hides in plain site and the mods sit by while he hijacks threads, bickers with others and generally disregards the rules. By not addressing the problem the mods give the impression that you apply the rules unevenly.

Other sites seem to have controls, such as requiring the use of actual email address for registration, no hotmail, or gmail type address that are free. That cuts down a on a lot multiple accounts. Also if you IP ban a person along with the actual email registration that will cut down on the majority of issues. Of those that still slip by ban the account as soon as you know its him and in Ca$h's case he doens't hide so its pretty easy to confirm that it is him.

Mike

For one thing, we don't "sit by". It's a constant struggle, and while you might, we don't have our Macs implanted in our brains. None of us look at the forums 24/7.

Next, there's the issue of return on investment. The effort to keep Rob banned, due to his insane re-registration mania, exceeds the cost of just closing threads.

We cannot stop using free email, too many users ONLY have such accounts.

IP bans do nothing. They are extremely easily circumvented, and can cause inconvenience to innocent bystanders.


You all seem to think that we've never tried this before: we have. It's not our fault that we have some maniac members who think it's their god-given right to be here even though they've been told to leave literally hundreds of times.

tooki

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

1. How so? instead of giving me a one line answer please explain. I'd be the first to admit I do not have all of the answers. Seems asinine to me that you say I'm wrong but the proof is in the pudding. Other sites (not just mac related) seem to be able to manage their forums. What makes macnn so different that it cannot be done?

2. Ok for the sake of peace, lets say I am wrong, why not ban ca$h, you see he's back in the lounge area. Just seems to me that you have rules for most of us, and rules for a select few.

1. We got unlucky and have some maniac members. I have no control over this. There is no way that we can have new members register without having old ones be able to re-register.

2. Don't play the victim. We have no such distinction. If you feel we do, well, you're wrong.

Again, I ask that you all consider that we have lives. We are unpaid volunteers, so we are not going to devote our freaking lives to some losers who want to take up all our time. Similarly, you have desires of us that we simply can't meet. Sorry.

tooki

[tooki]

Actually, I am sick of addressing this issue over and over and over again, only to have Some People bring it up again and again.

We're human, we're volunteers, we're not perfect, and there's no conspiracy.

Get over it.

tooki