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besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 10:44 AM

What is really irritating is all of the self-appointed board police who are happy to jump into threads and declare "rule 8", "zombie thread", or point out some sort of rule infraction. This is extremely rude to new members who may have inadvertently broke the rule, and is likewise irritating for members such as myself who are just in this for fun and aren't here to make a career out of posting to MacNN perfectly. Furthermore, when these people do this threads often just degenerate into bickering and stupidity (the kind that isn't besson3c certified).

Mods, I suggest that when people do this, you tell them to lay off and let YOU decide how to enforce the rules. I don't think it is smart to send the message that it is cool to have all of these self-appointed forum police flittering from thread to thread and sharing their unsolicited verdict with everybody.

If you want to make MacNN a more positive environment, closing off this place to new posters with this sort of elitism and pettiness is not the way to do it.

Kevin · 11:19 AM

None of this is very important stuff. None at all. Very unimportant. Whether or not that bird outside decides to land on this branch in a tree I like is more important...

BTW Ever seen Demonhood's "zombie thread" image?

It's pretty darn cool.

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 11:46 AM

BTW I believe you were probably referring to my post. How did you see it since you have me on ignore?

besson3c · 12:03 PM

Kevin,

Does it matter? I may view your posts from time to time, or catch pieces when people quote you.

It doesn't change the fact that I really do not CARE what you say in here. Whether I use the MacNN ignore mechanism, my own restraint, or read each and every one of your posts, this still doesn't change the fact that I don't CARE what you have to say.

Why can't you be decent about respecting this fact? You probably don't care about what I have to say either, so just ignore me. I don't think MacNN is really interested in this sort of idiotic drama stemming from your refusal to back away and restrain yourself. Just walk away.

The same goes with SWG... "Look, you're responding to me!" "Look... you're really a hypocrit", blah blah blah.. WE DON"T CARE!

Get it through your head. WE DON'T CARE!!

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 12:06 PM

"We don't care"

Who is this we besson?

And you are cute when you get all hissy and honky.

BTW there is a big difference between rule 8 violator reporters and me posting that zombie image.

No one is getting in trouble for the zombie image. It's just good fun. Something Demonhood started long ago.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 01:01 PM

Anyway, back on topic, certainly this is not an isolated occurrence, nor are the offenders the same each time.

We have mods who are perfectly capable of enforcing rules (and are generally more polite than the armchair mods too), I think we would be better off if we were to ask the armchairs to back off, or at the very least point things out in a polite enough fashion as to prevent this place from seeming full of alpha-posters, and elitists who take pleasure in jumping down the throats of relative newbs.

I would love to read a book about these sort of hierarchies internet communities establish for themselves, this sort of stuff has been literally happening for decades. It's rather astonishing.

Do you guys try to get people to stop speeding on the highway too by catching up to them just to "inform" them of how they are breaking the law (when you are actually simply trying to make them look like an idiot, perhaps so that you can feel better about yourself)?

Of course, this analogy is not quite accurate, as unlike speeding just about anybody could innocently be unaware of something like rule 8 or the zombie thread thing. And, let's be honest here, people don't read the rules unless they are referred to them or they have a reason to, just like you don't read through every document you sign your signature on, or read the terms and conditions of every piece of software you download.

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 01:07 PM

besson weren't you the one that told me that this wasn't serious business that people took things here too seriously?

I would have taken this thread more seriously if it weren't for the fact that you post some of the most obnoxious nonsense in this forum derailing topics. On purpose.

Originally Posted by besson3c

Do you guys want to get in on this? I'm thinking it would be cool to wait until somebody references somebody else by an abbreviation, and then correcting this misuse of their name.

For instance, Salty called Jawbone54 "Jaw", and so corrected him:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...424&page=5

Do you want to play a prank on people and continue to make these corrections? If they get annoyed, we can explain the prank, and everybody will have a good laugh!

Anybody in?

Originally Posted by besson3c

I know that it would get Kevin chomping at the bit, that's kind of why I want to do it

Originally Posted by besson3c

I feel kind of bad baiting Abe though, cause he seems like a well-intentioned dude that just has some issues. Kevin on the other hand has just decided to be incredibly obnoxious and closed.

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
(If you wanna make the world a better place)
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change
(Take a look at yourself, and then make a change)
(Na na na, na na na, na na, na nah)

BlueSky · Dec 31, 2006, 01:24 PM

That's the Michael Jackson Rule, which doesn't apply here. That's just for MySpace.

Blasphemy · Dec 31, 2006, 01:42 PM

I have no problems with other members calling out BS when they see it.

Feeling picked on?

effgee · Dec 31, 2006, 01:45 PM

::blinks:: ... Just like looking in a mirror. But not.

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

That's the Michael Jackson Rule, which doesn't apply here. That's just for MySpace.

Originally Posted by Blasphemy

I have no problems with other members calling out BS when they see it.

The ironic part about this thread is... what does besson think he is doing by posting a thread like this?

Dakar² · 02:22 PM

Man, this place has had some lively retarded threads past 2 months.

Edit: I mean Feedback Lounge

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 02:08 PM

Okay, whatever...

You can lock this thread. If you want to carry on the same way, perhaps it's just best that I detach myself from the hopes that this place might be at least a little better than it has been and is now.

Kevin, what would it take to get you to restrain yourself from talking to me? I'm not interested in talking to you, it's really that simple. I don't like you, you don't like me... Why can't we just leave it at that and ignore each other? Your trying to bait and engage me in conversation has just become a festering wound that just refuses to stop festering. Leave it alone. Go away... Please!

Since I'm sure you won't have the maturity to do this (and will probably just respond to this in your painfully predictable fashion by trying to show how hypocritical I am or something), I'll just continue to ignore you, and try to restrain myself from saying "I told you so" when people grow irritated with your magnet-like attraction to my posts.

Learn how to walk away from a conflict. I'm done, you should be too.

BlueSky · 02:18 PM

edit: never mind

seanc · Dec 31, 2006, 02:30 PM

I don't think helping a new user and notifying them that they have posted in an incorrect subforum is a problem

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Kevin, what would it take to get you to restrain yourself from talking to me? I'm not interested in talking to you, it's really that simple.

Then don't talk to me. If you aren't interested don't mention me. Not even in a sarcastic condescending jab like you always do.

You constantly make jabs at me, then get offended when I respond. How does that work again?

I don't like you, you don't like me...

I don't dislike you besson. Not at all.

Your trying to bait and engage me in conversation has just become a festering wound that just refuses to stop festering. Leave it alone. Go away... Please!

I am not doing any such thing. I was pointing out you like dishing it out, but get all upset when anyone even barely dishes it back. Why is that?

Since I'm sure you won't have the maturity to do this (and will probably just respond to this in your painfully predictable fashion by trying to show how hypocritical I am or something), I'll just continue to ignore you, and try to restrain myself from saying "I told you so" when people grow irritated with your magnet-like attraction to my posts.

Learn how to walk away from a conflict. I'm done, you should be too.

Of course I am going to respond to you. I feel obligated to. Why people respond to me, then DEMAND me not respond to them is beyond me. That is absurd. You tell me to have the self control not to respond to me, but you've went off on me how many times here?

Or how many times have you chastised and belittled me in these forums for having legit complaints?

And for the last time, I don't HATE you besson. Not at all. I think your actions and intentions are questionable sometimes, but I have no ill will towards you.

But thanks for atleast making your feelings toward me apparent I guess.

Blasphemy · Dec 31, 2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Okay, whatever...

You can lock this thread. If you want to carry on the same way, perhaps it's just best that I detach myself from the hopes that this place might be at least a little better than it has been and is now.

Kevin, what would it take to get you to restrain yourself from talking to me? I'm not interested in talking to you, it's really that simple. I don't like you, you don't like me... Why can't we just leave it at that and ignore each other? Your trying to bait and engage me in conversation has just become a festering wound that just refuses to stop festering. Leave it alone. Go away... Please!

Since I'm sure you won't have the maturity to do this (and will probably just respond to this in your painfully predictable fashion by trying to show how hypocritical I am or something), I'll just continue to ignore you, and try to restrain myself from saying "I told you so" when people grow irritated with your magnet-like attraction to my posts.

Learn how to walk away from a conflict. I'm done, you should be too.

personal attack REPORTED

subego · Dec 31, 2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Kevin, what would it take to get you to restrain yourself from talking to me?

Why don't you try not responding to him.

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Blasphemy

personal attack REPORTED

I am not so sure that was a personal attack. Besson seems a bit irritated and wound up lately. It just might be the season. Not really reportable.

Originally Posted by subego

Why don't you try not responding to him.

Esp since he goes on and on and on about having me on ignore...

effgee · Dec 31, 2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Blasphemy

personal attack REPORTED

Bogus report reported.

Or not. I do like this thread, though.

turtle777 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:07 PM

I posted in this famous thread. Woot.

-t

Peter · Dec 31, 2006, 03:07 PM

IBL.

can i still say that?

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 03:09 PM

You can, but I just reported you for it.

imitchellg5 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:09 PM

Who is Abe?

Peter · Dec 31, 2006, 03:10 PM

imitchellg5 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

IBL.

can i still say that?

Happy 5,000th post.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by subego

Why don't you try not responding to him.

I've tried that for literally months on end, and it has worked. I can continue to do that, but I'm sick of being a part of something that I'm sure many people are growing tired of. If he would just stop relentlessly following up every one of my posts with his remarks, this problem would be solved.

Short of that, yes, I will continue to not respond to him.

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

Happy 5,000th post.

He has more posts than that on IRC.

imitchellg5 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:20 PM

Again I ask who is Abe? Stop fighting like 5 year olds.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 03:23 PM

Anyway, enough about Kevin...

Surely I can't be the only one who gets annoyed with the armchair modding? If so, I guess I'll just have to deal with it. Just makes this place too bloody serious and needlessly hostile.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

Again I ask who is Abe? Stop fighting like 5 year olds.

Abe = Marden, Aberdeenwriter, Mojo2, and some other nick.

imitchellg5 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:25 PM

Oh thank you. I never knew that he was Marden.

Kevin · 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I've tried that for literally months on end, and it has worked.

You've tried what? What do you call constantly harrassing me and belittling me and constantly going on about how I am on your ignore list? That is what you have been doing since you've joined the forum. And you've never stopped besson. You putting me on ignore didn't stop the condescending remarks towards me. So my responses to you did not stop.

I can continue to do that, but I'm sick of being a part of something that I'm sure many people are growing tired of. with his remarks, this problem would be solved.

If you would stop your condescending remarks about me and other people besson, I would have no reason to comment.

If he would just stop relentlessly following up every one of my posts

Exaggeration. I only usually respond to posts that are about me. Or where you are harassing people in demeaning ways.

You are attempting to play the victim besson.I think in the post I made above showing what you do "behind the scenes" shows your true intentions. Somehow you think your trolling is ok, but no one else is allowed?

You've been nothing but hateful to me since the start besson. And I honestly tried my best to be nice to you. Even when you started with the "triangle" nonsense.

They way people treat you is a direct result of how you treat other people besson.

Originally Posted by besson3c

Anyway, enough about Kevin...

Ok you say that above... then go on to talk about me in the next paragraph.

Surely I can't be the only one who gets annoyed with the armchair modding? If so, I guess I'll just have to deal with it. Just makes this place too bloody serious and needlessly hostile.

And what I did wasn't armchair modding. It's a running joke that started well before you became an active member here. What I did was not serious, nor hostile. I think your hatred of me taints your perception of my posts. My post you are complaining wasn't an attack against you or the person that bumped it up.

Ask the mods, I didn't report anyone for doing anything.

What you are saying is, you don't want members enforcing rules that you don't approve of. But the ones you want in place, you feel obligated to make threads about and comments in threads about on your own. Because you feel that your gripes are somehow legit and others are not? I don't understand.

But hey...

I'd be willing to bury the hatchet and start being as nice to you as possible and cut this silliness out if you would.

If you are willing to stop belittling me and other members in here constantly with your condescending insincere remarks, I will "leave you alone."

Deal?

effgee · Dec 31, 2006, 03:34 PM

Armchair modding rocks, it breathes new life into tired threads. The online equivalent to backseat driving, it's marvelous.

Peter · Dec 31, 2006, 03:38 PM

okay this has gone way too far guys.
you two need to make up, and soon.
Its starting to get annoying.

why cant you just get along or keep quiet or heck, PM each other?

Kevin · Dec 31, 2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

Armchair modding rocks, it breathes new life into tired threads. The online equivalent to backseat driving, it's marvelous.

No I agree it can be lame. And I have been guilty of it. I am attempting to quit that bad habit.

What besson is referring to wasn't me armchair modding however. I posted a "Zombie Thread" Image after someone bumped up a bunch of old threads. I did not tell him to NOT bump up threads, nor did I report anyone for doing so.

Originally Posted by Peter

okay this has gone way too far guys.
you two need to make up, and soon.
Its starting to get annoying.

why cant you just get along or keep quiet or heck, PM each other?

I am attempting to make amends with him. It's up to him to make the next move.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

Armchair modding rocks, it breathes new life into tired threads. The online equivalent to backseat driving, it's marvelous.

Too many t's in this post, you are infracting upon about 1.397 rules!

Okay, you're right, this is a lot of fun! I still feel sorry for the newbies who aren't hip to how cool we are (me mostly, no offense effgee), but that's their problem.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

okay this has gone way too far guys.
you two need to make up, and soon.
Its starting to get annoying.

why cant you just get along or keep quiet or heck, PM each other?

I vote for us just ignoring each other, that's what I've wanted all along.

imitchellg5 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

okay this has gone way too far guys.
you two need to make up, and soon.
Its starting to get annoying.

why cant you just get along or keep quiet or heck, PM each other?

I agree. You two fight like a married couple. Just calm down.

Dakar² · Dec 31, 2006, 03:49 PM

The make-up sex is incredible, I hear.

effgee · Dec 31, 2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

... why cant you just get along or keep quiet or heck, PM each other?

Not only does the dude have blue stars, which by itself is enough to make him look dangerous, he's also got a point. And a good one at that.

Originally Posted by Kevin

... And I have been guilty of it. I am attempting to quit that bad habit. ...

Anyone (read: ≥99%) who's been around this place for a year or two, posting more or less infrequently, has done that at one point or another. Nothing wrong with sprinkling in a few derogatory comments here and there to reanimate the masses. I guess the operative expression here should be "all in good measure", and I'm not referring to you personally - just a general statement sort of thing.

Originally Posted by besson3c

Too many t's in this post, you are infracting upon about 1.397 rules! Okay, you're right, this is a lot of fun! I still feel sorry for the newbies who aren't hip to how cool we are (me mostly, no offense effgee), but that's their problem.

No offense taken - as stated above, I'm liking this.

effgee · Dec 31, 2006, 03:57 PM

Brainfart: Create a new sub-forum labeled "the Kindergarten", and whenever a mod feels that two or more guys are beginning to squabble over their sandbox toys in an extra-exuberantly manner, simply move all of their posts to a new thread in the Kindergarten where they can continue to bicker.

That'd be fun.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

Brainfart: Create a new sub-forum labeled "the Kindergarten", and whenever a mod feels that two or more guys are beginning to squabble over their sandbox toys in an extra-exuberantly manner, simply move all of their posts to a new thread in the Kindergarten where they can continue to bicker.

That'd be fun.

That would be a lot of fun!

Peter · Dec 31, 2006, 04:02 PM

<@Peter_> tempted to ban you both; give you access to your own little forum; and not unban you till you made up.

whats that line about great minds thinking alike?

I think we're done here. The rest as they say, is history.

besson3c · Dec 31, 2006, 04:04 PM

Okay, I'm going to do my part by making this official by putting this into writing:

I will not communicate with Kevin anymore.

Now, if Kevin will do the same, we can call it a day, case closed, lickety split! We all win!!! Yeaahhhahah!! Let's do that!

If he doesn't, I'll still hold up to my vows, but I thought I would provide Kevin with this great opportunity to show everybody how right he is about this issue!