[abe]

Is Any Discussion of 9/11 Necessarily Political?

I was going to start a non-political discussion of 9/11 but figured some ****-wit would complain that it was in the wrong lounge and because I don't have political lounge privileges that means I wouldn't be able to discuss anything about the attack on our nation with anyone here on the 6th anniversary of the assault.

I just think there is something fundamentally wrong with that.

Is any discussion of 9/11 necessarily political?

[Lateralus]

Is the subject itself political? No, not necessarily.

Will any thread here about it become political? Within three posts.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by abe 

Is Any Discussion of 9/11 Necessarily Political?

I just think there is something fundamentally wrong with that.

Is any discussion of 9/11 necessarily political?

Read: Please let me back in the PL, I got some damage to do by tomorrow.

 

-t

[peeb]

What kind of discussion can you imagine that would not be political? No conversation about anything that matters is apolitical.

[Kevin]

The answer is yes, yes there can be.

But in here? With all the abe fanboys making sure it turns into a political shill.

Not possible.

I've had non-political 911 discussions elsewhere on the internet. So it IS possible. You just have to find mature people willing to discuss it without shilling.

[sek929]

Dude, abe himself would make it political by his third post. Abe's supposed fanboys would just end up calling him on it.

[Dakarʒ]

A post on Katrina turned political already. I'm sure that was just abe's fanboys too.

[sek929]

Just like Rob, abe is never at fault for anything.....right Kev?

[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

A post on Katrina turned political already. I'm sure that was just abe's fanboys too.

Thanks for your objectivity, Dakarʒ!

[Dakarʒ]

I hope you realize that was sarcasm.

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Just like Rob, abe is never at fault for anything.....right Kev?

Objective world: When I'm right, I'm right. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

sek929 world: When abe's right, he's wrong. When abe's wrong, he's wrong.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

I hope you realize that was sarcasm.

Troll.

[Dakarʒ]

How so? My point was a valid one.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Dude, abe himself would make it political by his third post. Abe's supposed fanboys would just end up calling him on it.

And if that is what would happen (we don't know) then abe would deserve to be called on it.

Originally Posted by sek929 

Just like Rob, abe is never at fault for anything.....right Kev?

I guess that Is why I've reported abe, and even disagreed with him on many occasion.

Remember that drug thread not too long ago? The one you and him were arguing in? It wasn't his side I took.

Now you can remove your foot.

Fact still stands, abe could post the most honest, and heartfelt non-trollish thread and his fanboys would still ruin it.

It's why I rarely start any thread worth while in here. I am sure I am not the only one either.

And comparing him to Rob isn't really fair. Esp since abe has admitted many times to me that h he has done wrong.

Something I've never seen Rob do. Unless it was to prove someone wrong.

[sek929]

My foot stays where it is since i never said that you agree with abe on everything, in fact, I have no idea where you got that from.

What I got from your original post was that Abe's threads turn political because of his fanboys, which abe proves time and time again is not the case. Just give him a few posts to get warmed up and he will start letting 'teh liberals!' fly left and right. His fanboys harass him because of this type of behavior, not harassing with that type of behavior.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sek929 

My foot stays where it is since i never said that you agree with abe on everything, in fact, I have no idea where you got that from.

You said never at fault... as if I agreed with that. If I disagree with abe, I believe him to be in fault. And if you like the taste of foot, you like the taste of foot.

What I got from your original post was that Abe's threads turn political because of his fanboys, which abe proves time and time again is not the case.

Wait, not ALWAYS the case.

Just give him a few posts to get warmed up and he will start letting 'teh liberals!' fly left and right. His fanboys harass him because of this type of behavior, not harassing with that type of behavior.

Most don't even know what he is on about to harass him.

They dislike him so much, they need to put him on ignore. So that others that may like his posts don't have to waddle through the poopie diaper posts.

[sek929]

The same exact thing can be said for Ca$h. You understand this, right?

[Rumor]

I wouldn't mind seeing Abe back in the PL. It's somewhat stagnant in there.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

I wouldn't mind seeing Abe back in the PL. It's somewhat stagnant in there.

QFT

[abe]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

I wouldn't mind seeing Abe back in the PL. It's somewhat stagnant in there.

Originally Posted by Doofy 

QFT

Thanks. I think there is/are one/some mod(s) here who have vowed to never let that happen, just out of spite/envy/feelings of inferiority.

Although I could be ignorant of the truth.

I'm left to draw my own conclusions because there's been no effort to discuss the matter with me like a man.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by abe 

I'm left to draw my own conclusions because there's been no effort to discuss the matter with me like a man.

And this, is indeed the problem.

I also support abe's return to the Pol. lounge.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

I wouldn't mind seeing Abe back in the PL. It's somewhat stagnant in there.

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I also support abe's return to the Pol. lounge.

Agreed, but only if we can have Rob as PL mod.

-t

[Dakarʒ]

That'd be a great April Fools joke.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by abe 

Thanks. I think there is/are one/some mod(s) here who have vowed to never let that happen, just out of spite/envy/feelings of inferiority.

This is the same shite Rob says!!! Do you not see this???

"It's the mods fault because I proved them wrong and they don't like my superior intellect"

Good god abe, get off the high horse already. You've incurred dozens of infractions for breaking the rules.

[Dakarʒ]

To be fair him and rob's paths have barely crossed. When rob was reinstated in (December?) abe/mojo/whatever was under ban. By the time he got back rob had wore out his welcome again.

Edit: I guess they've basically been playing dueling banjos all summer

*grabs a shotgun and blasts own face*

[sek929]

That was pretty bad, even for you.

[Dakarʒ]

That's why I chose suicide to repent.

And honestly, hear abe's jokes for a while and it begins to soak into your brain.

[besson3c]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

[Dakarʒ]

You were talking to it.

[besson3c]

Yeah, I told the chicken "I think you should cross the street", so it did. I like to have my way with chickens.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

To be fair him and rob's paths have barely crossed. When rob was reinstated in (December?) abe/mojo/whatever was under ban. By the time he got back rob had wore out his welcome again.

Edit: I guess they've basically been playing dueling banjos all summer

*grabs a shotgun and blasts own face*

dueling banjos

[abe]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Yeah, I told the chicken "I think you should cross the street", so it did. I like to have my way with chickens.

Well at least it's warm blooded.

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

That was pretty bad, even for you.

Aw, I think it's clever!

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by abe 

Aw, I think it's clever!

You should, being constantly subjected to that style in your threads is what brought it on.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by abe 

Aw, I think it's clever!

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

You should, being constantly subjected to that style in your threads is what brought it on.

-t

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sek929 

The same exact thing can be said for Ca$h. You understand this, right?

No it can't be. Rob actually for the most part instigates the hateful personal attacks. Unless you are saying the mods are treating abe differently than Rob, I don't know what to tell you.

They are almost black and white in comparison. The ONLY thing a like is that they BOTH attract fanboys.

Most of Rob's fanboys consist of people that do not like his constant personal attacks. Most of abe's fanboys do not like anything he says. Personal attack or not. Just because of silly political shill reasons.

Originally Posted by sek929 

This is the same shite Rob says!!! Do you not see this???

No, Rob says the reasons he is given as to why he was banned (if he was given one..), he doesn't agree with. Therefore is boycotting the ban.

abe on the other hand is saying he wasn't given a reason, therefore is coming to his own conclusions about why he is banned. While STILL respecting the ban.

TWO completely different instances, motives, and actions. What makes people upset about Rob is, he doesn't take responsibilities for his actions. He wont stay banned when banned.

Abe on the other hand hasn't been in the PL for a long time.

"It's the mods fault because I proved them wrong and they don't like my superior intellect"

That isn't what he said at all.

More like "The mods wont discuss with me like adults about why I was banned, or when the ban is over, so I come to my own conclusion"

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by abe 

I'm left to draw my own conclusions because there's been no effort to discuss the matter with me like a man.

And THIS folks, is the main problem with this forum from what I have seen.

A few mods I've dealt with in here have the respect to discuss their decisions with the person that is effected in a mature way. Now by saying that I am not saying the majority. This isn't the case. Just a few select ones. For example ghreporter will go on and on with you in pvt and not get upset or threaten you one time.

If what someone has done was so bad that it was ban worthy, saying why they were banned should be no problem.

Unless of course the ban canbe/was questionable. Then I could see why the approach you are getting would be used.

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Why did the chicken cross the road?

I wonder why you haven't came to abe's support on this one. Since you've complained many times about such actions. And tried yourself to go around such rules.

But I guess you can't let anyone see you taking abe's side on anything. That would be social suicide!

[Mastrap]

You guys behave as if the mods had any obligation to discuss anything with you. They don't. Deal with it already.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

I wonder why you haven't came to abe's support on this one. Since you've complained many times about such actions. And tried yourself to go around such rules.

But I guess you can't let anyone see you taking abe's side on anything. That would be social suicide!

On people concerned with social suicide on these forums, I would list besson3c near the bottom. Unless you think we're all secretly patting him on the back for the Steve Guttenberg threads and poop jokes.

Oh, by the way:

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Abe is dogmatic and narrow minded, but he isn't a troll. In his little imaginary perfect world, people would be agreeing with him and perhaps appreciative of his contributions.

A troll is somebody who invokes hot button issues and comes up with the most efficient combination of words just to get under peoples' skin. A troll is often hostile, and is uninterested in doing more than irritating people for sport.

Abe is just Abe. You should simply put him on your ignore list.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Mastrap 

You guys behave as if the mods had any obligation to discuss anything with you. They don't. Deal with it already.

You are behaving as if it will affect what I think. I think the mods screwed up and should speak to abe like an adult. Deal with it already.

[Mastrap]

Except that my opinion is based on reality and yours on wishful thinking. Reality is that we're all here subject to a set of rules that stipulate that the mods do not need to discuss any decisions.

Ergo, reality will not change your opinion.

Make of that what you wish.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap 

You guys behave as if the mods had any obligation to discuss anything with you. They don't. Deal with it already.

Unless of course you are the one wanting to know, then its ok.

I think the mods have a responsibility to be responsible for their actions.

Esp since there is no check/balance system.

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

On people concerned with social suicide on these forums, I would list besson3c near the bottom.

Thats what he wants you to think.


AHHHH
My world is your world
People like to hear their names
I'm no exception
Please call my name
Call my name
No new tale to tell
No new tale to tell
No new tale to tell

Unless you think we're all secretly patting him on the back for the Steve Guttenberg threads and poop jokes.

Yes, because that isn't besson attempting to be edgy while coming off as "cool" and "different"


I think we've all went to school with a "besson" or two in our lives. Esp in college.

Oh, by the way:

passive-aggressive attacking is just as bad as full on personal attacks IMHO

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Thats what he wants you to think.

By being a social outcast? Clever ruse, pretending to be hated by actually being hated.

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Yes, because that isn't besson attempting to be edgy while coming off as "cool" and "different"


I think we've all went to school with a "besson" or two in our lives. Esp in college.

I don't understand how this addresses my point that no one really likes his dumb jokes.

Originally Posted by Kevin 

passive-aggressive attacking is just as bad as full on personal attacks IMHO

But in the end he's still supporting him being able to stay in the forum, which was what you were asking for.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Unless of course you are the one wanting to know, then its ok.

I never get into ****, so I never have a reason to ask.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

By being a social outcast? Clever ruse, pretending to be hated by actually being hated.

Oh it's a ruse alright. If he was all out about being a social outcast the whole passive-aggressiveness would end. He'd be acting like Rob.

I don't understand how this addresses my point that no one really likes his dumb jokes.

Because he thinks his jokes are edgy and we just don't have the intellect to get them.

But in the end he's still supporting him being able to stay in the forum, which was what you were asking for.

No, I am asking for besson to stop the snide passive aggressive attacks.

When besson gets busted or called out for such things, you see him make posts like the one you quoted, it's to attempt to even out his trollishness. "Look I am not bad, I posted something nice"

Besson on many occasion when taking it too far, and then realizing it, always attempted to "make it better" Not so much for the person he was attacking, but for his own "cred"

WDLove comes to mind.

Originally Posted by Mastrap 

I never get into ****

What do you call what you are doing now?

[Mastrap]

Banter. Why, what are you calling it?

[Kevin]

Well you claim you never get into **** yet you are usually making some smarmy comment to someone most every post you make.

At least in here or the lounge.

Not that I am not guilty of making comments of the like. But I never denied getting into ****.

Actually this forum as a whole would be a lot better if a lot of people would drop chips off their shoulders and start being nice to people regardless of their political/religious/sexualorientation/etc.

It can happen. I help run one of the largest IRC channels in existence on my spare time here at work. (I call it wIRCing) and the people in that channel come from all over the world. We have one big TRUE melting pot in the channel. Everyone gets a long. Why? Because those that make a habit of causing REAL trouble are usually banned. But those are very few and far between.

We all respect each other's opinions and beliefs. Even when we disagree with each other. We can make jokes to one another about our differences, and no one gets upset. Thick skin is needed however. It's not what is being said, but the intentions behind the person saying it.

But my point being is, if it can happen on a IRC channel, it can happen in here.
Everyone has to want the same goal though.

And I don't think everyone does. I think certain people only come here to sling fecal matter.

It's their "release"

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Oh it's a ruse alright. If he was all out about being a social outcast the whole passive-aggressiveness would end. He'd be acting like Rob.

Oh, so you mean forum suicide. To me social suicide would be not caring what the people around here think of you. Forum suicide would be not giving a damn if you get infractions.

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Because he thinks his jokes are edgy and we just don't have the intellect to get them.

What does it matter what he thinks, though? The point is a lot of people say they're dumb and he does them anyway, ergo, he doesn't care what people think of them.

Originally Posted by Kevin 

No, I am asking for besson to stop the snide passive aggressive attacks.

No, you were asking him to defend abe:

Originally Posted by Kevin 

I wonder why you haven't came to abe's support on this one. Since you've complained many times about such actions. And tried yourself to go around such rules.

But I guess you can't let anyone see you taking abe's side on anything. That would be social suicide!

He didn't do it a classy way, but in the end he said abe should be able to stay.

Originally Posted by Kevin 

When besson gets busted or called out for such things, you see him make posts like the one you quoted, it's to attempt to even out his trollishness. "Look I am not bad, I posted something nice"

Besson on many occasion when taking it too far, and then realizing it, always attempted to "make it better" Not so much for the person he was attacking, but for his own "cred"

Or to avoid an infraction perhaps. You'll get no argument here.

[besson3c]

As amusing as I find it that you guys are psycho-analyzing me as if I'm not here, there is nothing that concerns me less than what Kevin thinks of me. I've long since given up on trying to untangle his crazy spin and bizarre take on things, particularly when he is on one of his self-righteous bents. Therefore, unless you are having fun with this line of conversation, I wouldn't suggest continuing it on my account. I do not respect the guy, and I'm sure he doesn't respect me either. If he did, he would have obliged my by request to ignore me some time ago.

My reason for posting this is to urge Kevin once again to ignore me. So much of these problems would be lessened if he would simply ignore me. I've been ignoring him myself, but it is much harder to stick to this game plan when the other person is not reciprocating, especially with a discussion such as this one.

There is no sense continuing a relationship with somebody you don't respect enough to fulfill such a request, right? What Kevin hopes to get out of trying to get me to respond to his posts is absolutely beyond me, I have made it quite clear that I do not wish to talk to him. I must say though, I got a chuckle out of him calling me a troll.

And Kevin, I do not want to make a "deal" with you that would involve you ignoring me if only I treated other people nicer. You are not the forum police or a mod, if somebody feels mistreated by me they can speak for themselves. Don't you think that the fact that I've ignored you is evidence enough that I really don't care about how you characterize my posts here? It is *you* that are trolling and baiting me when I have made it clear that I do not wish to talk to you. Please stop.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Well you claim you never get into **** yet you are usually making some smarmy comment to someone most every post you make.

At least in here or the lounge.

Nice. Projection and generalization in one single post.