[turtle777]

Title says it all.

Thanks.

-t

[Dakar the Fourth]

Seconded. That was what I was trying to communicate to gh in the current thread.

[turtle777]

Yeah, sometimes Glenn can be a little, uhm, detailed .

Even if he's not the Lounge mod, why not take charge ?

I have seen non-Lounge modes delete threads, hand out baninations and call people names, all in the Lounge, where they are supposed to be participants.

So Glenn, why don't you just take the liberty to improve the Lounge by creating that sticky.

-t

[subego]

Why?

[Dakar the Fourth]

Because a new thread gets created every time, even though were told explicitly not to do that under threat of locking a year or two ago.

[subego]

I missed the lock threat memo.

We both must of missed the memo that rescinded that.

Okay, seriously though. Is that the only reason or is there more?

[Dakar the Fourth]

Regardless of the threat, it seems logical enough. There's no need to create a new thread everytime there's new Airbus info, why is there a need to do so everytime the Apple Store goes down?

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

I second that motion.

[Dakar the Fourth]

You're third.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

There's no need to create a new thread everytime there's new Airbus info, why is there a need to do so everytime the Apple Store goes down?

For the same reason we wouldn't want the Airbus thread to be a sticky.

Likewise, if it's a sticky, I'll always think the Apple store is down.

Whatever the case is, I think y'all want the sticky more than I don't want it.

Which is, of course, fine.

[Dakar the Fourth]

I'm optional on the sticky part (Though if Apple keeps pulling this **** every week, seems appropriate). I just want a permanent thread.

[MacosNerd]

I like the idea of not having it a sticky. subego has a point, besides each store closing means a different reason, today it was the MBP/MBs next time it might be the ipod. A small or relatively small thread will erupt in the lounge and then die. If it was a sticky we'd have one gigantic monolithic thread to get through. Seems to run against the grain of having specific threads.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

If it was a sticky we'd have one gigantic monolithic thread to get through. Seems to run against the grain of having specific threads.

Why ?

Just read the recent postings. There's a reason for the date stamp.

-t

[Wiskedjak]

I'm as interested as the next guy when the store goes down, but I've never understood the need to create a thread about it.

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Why ?

Why? Because it serves no purpose to have a sticky. There will be no indication of the store down. The date stamp does not fit the bill because if people post in the sticky the datestamp will have no correlation to the store closing.

Just read the recent postings. t

I have and so far there's been no argument that offers that state the sticky is better then a new thread.

Besides do you really think that even if we had a sticky people wouldn't start a new thread. Yeah the mods would have to merge and/or lock it down.

Besides you can go overboard with stickies. just look at the Alternative Operating Systems fourm. The stickies got so out of hand they needed to create a sub-forum just hold the stickies.

Little reason for the sticky in this case, makes little sense. At the end of the day the store is down thread will die and slowly sink to the bottom. Why keep one up on the top when these occasions don't occur all that often - yes apple has been doing something monthly but that pace is surely going decrease.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

Why? Because it serves no purpose to have a sticky. There will be no indication of the store down.

No indication at all ... other than the whole Internet being covered in "The Apple Store teh downzz!!!" discussions.

[ghporter]

1) I don't step on toes. I'm not going to do something like that unilaterally, and if I'm going to discuss it with others, then I may as well leave it to the people who regularly manage the forum in the first place to decide and maybe implement.

2) The OMG threads get tedious. It's like people expect the Second Coming to be announced by an update to the Apple Store web page. It's ridiculous to get all breathless and anxious about these things, especially with people focusing on their own pet rumor or hope, and not on the bigger picture of how Apple markets things. I personally think they intentionally take down the whole site to build buzz-which means they're playing with the public's reactions, and "using" us. I don't buy into it.

3) I do not subscribe to the idea that buying "the latest" is essential to anything. So I'm not going to actively participate in the whole thing, including setting up a sticky thread for people to buy into SJ's hype machine. Not that I don't really appreciate Apple products, I just hate marketing in and of itself.

4) As I pointed out in the latest OMG thread, my participation was firmly tongue-in-cheek. As in "we need a date on these threads so we can keep straight what world-shaking wonder we're anticipating today."

[turtle777]

So, you are saying that from your side, there's not gonna be a change ?
You must like the status quo.

I wonder when those weekly threads will get on anyone's nerves enough to make a change.

-t

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

I wonder when those weekly threads will get on anyone's nerves enough to make

Really the last thing we need in a forum is threads, especially if new ones keeping cropping up weekly.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Look out he's got a rollseyes!

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

Look out he's got a rollseyes!

ahhhh

[adamfishercox]

OMG an EEK!

[Railroader]

Can I get a LOL?!?

Seriously, this seems pretty minor to me. I like the race we have to make a new OMG APP7E STOR3 DOWN!!! thread whenever it happens. It's so "MacNN". It's a part of our culture. It's what make us us.

Dude.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Can I get a LOL?!?

Seriously, this seems pretty minor to me.

WHAT seems minor to you ?

Getting a sticky or allowing weekly threads about it ?

-t

[Oisín]

The issue as a whole, I’m guessing.

I agree, actually. I rarely read the threads more than once to see if there are any new smartarse pics in them, but I like the fact that it’s kind of a game and a standing MacNN joke to make them.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

WHAT seems minor to you ?

Getting a sticky or allowing weekly threads about it ?

-t

The fact that a new thread is started every time the Apple store website is done for updates. I actually like the new threads.

I tend not to read Apple news web sites and this is about the only way I know something new has been released.

Originally Posted by Oisín 

The issue as a whole, I’m guessing.

I agree, actually. I rarely read the threads more than once to see if there are any new smartarse pics in them, but I like the fact that it’s kind of a game and a standing MacNN joke to make them.

Exactly, it's a game and standing MacNN joke. Unfortunately, it probably won't be as quaint now that such a stupid fuss has been made about it. Lost innocence...

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I tend not to read Apple news web sites and this is about the only way I know something new has been released.

Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the purpose of MacNN (not the Forum, the main page) ?

Just imagine someone starting a thread in the Lounge for *EVERY* news that is published on macnn.com ?

Ridiculous or useful ?

-t

[Laminar]

Ridiculously useful.

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Just imagine someone starting a thread in the Lounge for *EVERY* news that is published on macnn.com ?

So you haven't been in the lounge have then have you

Really in the scheme of things, who cares if someone creates a thread about the store down. Don't like it, just don't read the thread and/or post anything in there. As simple as that.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the purpose of MacNN (not the Forum, the main page) ?

Just imagine someone starting a thread in the Lounge for *EVERY* news that is published on macnn.com ?

Ridiculous or useful ?

-t

I guess I should clarify my statement: "It is about the only way I know that Apple has released something new."

I don't care about every little Apple related news tibit that is on MacNN's main page.

Looking at the page now I see these headlines:

top stories
Patent hints touchscreen BlackBerry slider
Apple to exercise tight controls on iPhone...
O2 Ireland defends controversial iPhone...
First Look: MozyHome remote backup
iPhone second to BlackBerry in business
First Look: Drive Genius 2, disk utility
all top stories >>
daily headlines
Facebook adds musician, band profiles,...
Jawbone releases limited-edition headsets
Freeloader charges iPod, others, through...
Live videos coming to YouTube in 2008
Apple hiding Safari code from developers
Belch launches carbon-fiber iPhone case
MS drops Vista retail price to spur sales
AUO to produce cheap iPhone touchscreens?
Aperture 2.0 appeals to amateurs, pros
Redesigned BudCase earbud keychain ships
Mousepose 3 adds Window Highlighting
iPhoto 7.1.3 fixes wire-bound books, cards
Apple influential to 'No Country for Old...
Gigabyte unveils 3.5G/GPS modem
Yahoo report: Microsoft bid a distraction
MS lowered Vista specs to sell Intel tech
Safari not secure against phishing, says...
MacBook Air patent hints future expansion
all daily headlines >>

Not a single story there interests me. I'd rather have a new OMG APPL STORE DOWN!!!1! thread letting me know Apple actually released something new.

Well, except about the one with "Jawbone" in the title, but just because I hope Jawbone54345 was involved with it.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Ridiculously useful.

You are so useful it is ridiculous.

[Oisín]

^ Better than being so useless it’s ridicuful.

*badump-crash*

[Dakar the Fourth]

Better than being so ridicuful it's useless.

[turtle777]

Ok, I rest my usefulness ridiculousity case.

-t

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Ok, I rest my ridiculous case.

fixinated©

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

So, you are saying that from your side, there's not gonna be a change ?
You must like the status quo.

I wonder when those weekly threads will get on anyone's nerves enough to make a change.

-t

They already get on my nerves-as if that wasn't already obvious. But it's not my forum. PM this as a real suggestion to the folks who are mods for the Lounge (Thinkinsane and Demonhood) and state your case and see if they agree with you. As I said, I don't mess in places where I'm not formally authorized. Stepping on toes is something I avoid.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

PM this as a real suggestion to the folks who are mods for the Lounge (Thinkinsane and Demonhood) and state your case and see if they agree with you.

Crazy thought -- the Feedback Lounge is here just so you don't have to PM the 'Hood and ThinkInsane. It also has the added bonus of showing what support -- or lack-thereof -- your idea has.

[Railroader]

I think this thread should be a sticky.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

They already get on my nerves-as if that wasn't already obvious. But it's not my forum. PM this as a real suggestion to the folks who are mods for the Lounge (Thinkinsane and Demonhood) and state your case and see if they agree with you. As I said, I don't mess in places where I'm not formally authorized. Stepping on toes is something I avoid.

Are DH and TI even still alive ?

I haven't heard from / of them in ages.

-t

[Demonhood]

i don't exist anymore. didn't you get the memo?

to me, a sticky "OMG!!11!! THE APPLE STORZ BE DOWN!" thread would annoy me more than the ones that periodically pop up. they fall to the bottom of the lounge quickly.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I think this thread should be a sticky.

Best post of the thread.

Originally Posted by Demonhood 

i don't exist anymore. didn't you get the memo?

to me, a sticky "OMG!!11!! THE APPLE STORZ BE DOWN!" thread would annoy me more than the ones that periodically pop up. they fall to the bottom of the lounge quickly.

So what you're saying is, I should start randomly bumping these for no reason to annoy you, right?
that's a ban

[MacosNerd]

No just you and turtle

[Dakar the Fourth]

Coherent sentences, please.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

So what you're saying is, WE should start randomly bumping these for no reason to annoy you, right

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

No just you and turtle

Fixed

-t

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

Coherent sentences, please.

Coherent sentences and me don't mix

[Dakar the Fourth]

Great dodge.

[Eug]

Personally I like seeing the new threads. They tell me to check for new products at the store in a little while. (Duh! )

A sticky would totally defeat the point. They'd annoy even more people I'd guess, while at the same time being even less useful.

Perhaps you can limit them just to the Lounge or something though.

P.S. I'm not sure the Airbus argument really applies here. This is predominantly a Mac/Apple forum after all.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

Crazy thought -- the Feedback Lounge is here just so you don't have to PM the 'Hood and ThinkInsane. It also has the added bonus of showing what support -- or lack-thereof -- your idea has.

For general stuff, sure, discussing here is a great idea. But your suggestion, having gotten some level of support from others, would get more traction if you contacted the people who actively control the forum in question. Posting feedback here is great (mostly), but suggestions for a change in normal procedures and policy is a different thing, don't you think?

Feedback: "Great job on keeping those spammers at bay guys." or "I don't understand what it was that UserX did that got him banned for 453,000,000,000 years-and how I can avoid doing the same thing."

Suggestion: "I think we need a new forum to discuss just keyboards-they don't get the respect they deserve in the Consumer Hardware forum." or "Do we really need a whole forum devoted to Apple notebooks? Why not just have one big one called "Macs"?"

Seriously, I see a fundamental difference in a "hey we need..." versus a "hey, you guys [rockzors|suckzors]" issue.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ghporter 

For general stuff, sure, discussing here is a great idea. But your suggestion, having gotten some level of support from others, would get more traction if you contacted the people who actively control the forum in question. Posting feedback here is great (mostly), but suggestions for a change in normal procedures and policy is a different thing, don't you think?.

I disagree.

This thread proved useful - to crystallize how the community feels about this.
In this case, it seems like the majority of the people who participated here don't mind the new threads. Ok, fine.

But how should we have arrived at this conclusion if I simply PMed DH ?

-t

[reader50]

I can see your posting here, since you weren't sure they were still alive.

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Are DH and TI even still alive ?

I haven't heard from / of them in ages.

Kind of a pity DH checked in; his albums would have been worth a fortune by now if the rumor had persisted.