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rjenkinson · May 31, 2002, 10:20 PM

this is displayed on every page:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />All contents of these forums are � 1999-2002 MacNN. All rights reserved. <hr /></blockquote>but just what is considered content? are you talking about forum graphics, the macnn logo, and so on or do you also include member's posts under "contents"?

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[ 05-31-2002, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: rjenkinson ]

juanvaldes · Jun 1, 2002, 04:27 AM

good question I too would like to know that. What if I post some code or a poem or something am I giving up my rights if I wish to share some of my own works with the members here?

rjenkinson · Jun 2, 2002, 06:23 AM

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bump. any chance on having a moderator or adminstrator reply to this?

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rjenkinson · Jun 5, 2002, 05:18 AM

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b-u-m-p.

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elzinat · Jun 5, 2002, 03:13 PM

i spoke with m about this a couple nights ago. please note that what follows is NOT an official statement of any sort. just a casual explanation

the intended meaning of that note at the bottom of ever page is to include the contents of all posts in the "contents that are � MacNN." the intended purpose is twofold. firstly, to give macnn the right to republish anything posted in our forums (something which we often do--eg, links to threads on our main news page). secondly, it is to explicitly disallow any third party (like another rival news site) from republishing material posted in our forums.
it is NOT our desire or intent to take � away from the author of a post. think "joint ownership" i guess there's probably a techinical term, but i'm no lawyer.
there is a problem with this, though. nowhere do we say that we will have � to your posts and make you agree to this before posting. this is probably something which needs to be added to the TOS. anyway, m is in the process of figuring out what exactly he wants to do about this, and will post here when he has decided.
my apologies for the delays.

IEEE1394 · Jun 5, 2002, 03:50 PM

There is a conflict between the TOS and the copyright message:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Please remember that we at do not actively monitor the contents of and are not responsible for any messages posted.<hr /></blockquote>yet

<blockquote>quote:<hr />All contents of these forums are � 1999-2002 MacNN. All rights reserved.<hr /></blockquote>

scaught · Jun 5, 2002, 06:28 PM

ive seen wired and other tech news sites post quotes of members of a forum in an article, would they need to get approval from macnn before quoting a post on its fora then?

rjenkinson · Jun 9, 2002, 10:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by elzinat:
anyway, m is in the process of figuring out what exactly he wants to do about this, and will post here when he has decided.
my apologies for the delays.<hr /></blockquote><img src="http://www.telecom.co.nz/images/13/keep_postit.gif" alt=" - " />

any word?

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rjenkinson · Jun 16, 2002, 07:40 AM

<img src="http://www.historian.aepizeta.org/burnedhouse/condemned2.jpg" alt=" - " />

one week later, still no word...

-r.

hushmail · Jun 16, 2002, 09:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by scaught:
ive seen wired and other tech news sites post quotes of members of a forum in an article, would they need to get approval from macnn before quoting a post on its fora then?<hr /></blockquote>No, they wouldn't. Why? Fair Use.

Currently MacNN does not hold copyright on posters' content, nor do they have any rights to it. MacNN posters never agreed to that. And even if MacNN changes their TOS, it doesn't mean the agreement will be legally valid. Most software comes with EULAs that do not permit reverse engineering, but the law in my country states that no agreement can take that right away from me.

IUJHJSDHE · Jun 16, 2002, 09:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IEEE1394:
There is a conflict between the TOS and the copyright message:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Please remember that we at do not actively monitor the contents of and are not responsible for any messages posted.<hr /></blockquote>yet

<blockquote>quote:<hr />All contents of these forums are � 1999-2002 MacNN. All rights reserved.<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>I think it meens own copywrite to it but are not responsable for what it says

hushmail · Jun 16, 2002, 05:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IEEE1394:
There is a conflict between the TOS and the copyright message:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Please remember that we at do not actively monitor the contents of and are not responsible for any messages posted.<hr /></blockquote>yet

<blockquote>quote:<hr />All contents of these forums are � 1999-2002 MacNN. All rights reserved.<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>I think it meens own copywrite to it but are not responsable for what it says<hr /></blockquote>Yes, and by pulling the trigger *you* don't kill someone, the *bullet* does

rjenkinson · Jun 23, 2002, 07:47 AM

<img src="http://www.lithuaniangenealogy.org/features/romuva/dress.jpg" alt=" - " />

"in what has become a weekly tradition, these three girls dress up and wonder when we will finally hear back about the copyright issue."

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rjenkinson · Jun 29, 2002, 07:43 PM

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our operatives are still in the field, waiting for instructions.

-r.

cpt kangarooski · Jun 29, 2002, 07:54 PM

It would be so much easier if the MacNN folks just approached this from a perspective of 'by posting here you grant MacNN a license to copy those posts' or some such. Indeed, it's rather debatable as to whether they can get a contract -- or even a license -- they way they're trying.

Of course, it offends me quite a lot. I definately want people to benefit from comments I make in public. Thus I place my information into the public domain as a matter of course, PRIOR to it actually arriving on the MacNN servers. (it is of course fixed at the time of writing on my machine) The same goes for my posts on other boards, usenet, etc.

This still permits them to do whatever with the content... but also lets anyone else do things with it too. It's all good.

Honestly, what's _wrong_ with some other forum copying MacNN posts in the first place?

If they want to continue this nonsense, they should at least hire a competent copyright lawyer and seek real advice.

rjenkinson · Jul 16, 2002, 08:38 AM

<img src="http://www.obscurity-metal.de/images/love_obscurity.jpg" alt=" - " />

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rjenkinson · Jul 21, 2002, 03:51 AM

<img src="http://www.lilli.clara.net/freesaver/bunny.jpg" alt=" - " />

still waiting... nearly a month and a half later.

-r.

ringo · Aug 9, 2002, 09:50 AM

bump

rjenkinson · Aug 26, 2002, 04:00 AM

a long time ago a mod got on my case because i made a joke about nothing ever getting done at macnn. but then you do have threads like this...

-r.