[ThinkInsane]

Misha, I respect your abilities as a Mod/Admin, but I don't think you should have locked that thread Cypher posted about seanyepez. We just wanted to know what happened. You left us with know way of even apologizing for jumping to conclusions. That would have been my next post on that thread. None of us want to see good mods go by the wayside.

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[kaceygones]

Hey Think,
I think the thread was just transferred to the Suggestions and Comments Forum.

kacey

[ThinkInsane]

Kacey, the first thread was transfered, I was refering to the second thread regarding Sean.

[Misha]

I don't lock threads very frequently... I locked that one because the point had been made. Apologizing (and related, somewhat pointless discussion) only prolongs a thread that otherwise has no pertinance.

[druber]

Misha, usually I'm right with you. But nixing discussions that are pointless in the Lounge puts more than just a few of the current threads on the block. Besides, stepping down when you're too slammed to put time into mod'ing seems far from controversial. The Stalin comments were certainly over the top, but that's where we need dialogue from the admins, not just hearing helpful information and then cutting the phone line. People are interested in what goes on on the boards, who the mods are, etc. A message from Sean at the git-go would have done it. Yeah we're nosy and pushy and loud, and we keep coming back. But everyone coming back is kinda the point, isn't it?

[Macfreak7]

Originally posted by Misha:
>>>I locked that one because the point had been made. Apologizing (and related, somewhat pointless discussion) only prolongs a thread that otherwise has no pertinance.

in that case more than half the threads on this forum should be locked, deleted, trashed, buried, and everything else

[Cipher13]

So, Misha, when YOU'RE done with a thread its over eh?
You get the last say then lock it?
Well isn't that just grand
And if apologising is what you consider pointless, then take comfort in the fact that I was not going to apologise.
If Sean resigned, then obviously it was for a reason... something obviously YOU incited...
Yeah you know what I'm insinuating...
Oh and by the way, I don't even need to comment on how much bullsh!t was wrapped in that first reply of yours

Cipher13

[This message has been edited by Cipher13 (edited 12-28-2000).]

[AlbertWu]

I'm sorta lost over why Sean would have "resigned." When he started as a mod on MacNN, he was extremely happy. I believe it was around finals time too. If he could live through finals at my school while boing mod on MacNN, he could probably live through anything while being mod on MacNN. Also, I heard about the news of the resignation during winter break. How can you have obligations to school during winter break?

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[jaguarandi]

Sean is twelve. As you all know, the pressures of school increase exponentially as you progress through Junior High, then HS, then college.

Sean seems like a smart guy, and obviously has his priorities straight. If there's anything else behind him 'resigning', that's between him and whomever else he has a beef with. Judging by his post- resignation posts, he will still be a great help, especially in the PB forum.

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[AlbertWu]

And I'm 14. Trust me. Sean's previous school's 7th grade finals are not (too) hard. Also, I believe his new school is less pressuring (correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, but I am having trouble imagining that anything is harder than Harker.) I'm sure he can make it. Along with the pressures of school, time management capabilities also increase expoentially.

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[giantmike]

Some of you people don't get it. These boards ar enot in any way, shape, or form a democracy, they are dictatorship, plain and simple. The mods and admins have control, and do not have to listen to anyone here if they wish. There is no voting from the members, the mods/admins make the descisiona on their own. The ycan do what they want, not what you want them to do.

Sorry if you don't like it, but that is the way it is. You will be hard pressed to find any forum on thenet that is not that way (especially UBB forums).

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[This message has been edited by giantmike (edited 01-02-2001).]

[jaguarandi]

A dictatorship allows no freedom of speech whatsoever. In which case, these boards would not exist, and you would have no frame of reference for which to pigeonhole them.

The moderators and admins at MacNN, while sometimes disagreeable, have all gone out of their way to assist others, implement suggestions, and generally make this one of the more user-friendly and productive Mac BBS' out there.

And what does being a UBB board have to do with the level of 'control' that's exerted upon the posters? I fail to see the relevence.

If you have such a poor opinion of the MacNN boards, perhaps you could do better with a board of your own...

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[giantmike]

jag, obviously you have never been a moderator. I never pinpointed MacNN's boards, it's all UBB boards. If you ever become a mod of a UBB board somewhere, you will understand.

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[jaguarandi]

Obviously you assume too much. I have been a moderator, both on a dial-in BBS (long before this whole 'internet' thing got out of hand) and an internet board, and currently help maintain the Lotus Notes Domino network for a large corporation, where I have no choice but to censor, reassign, and remove posts and stray e-mails.

Your statement 'these boards...' qualifies your discussion as pertaining to the MacNN boards. Saying you 'never pinpointed MacNN's boards' is backtracking over your previous statement, which I've noticed you've already edited at least once.

You have also failed answer my original question to explain why you feel that UBB boards are so 'difficult' to moderate.

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[giantmike]

Well, then, you should know that bulletin boards are run in such a manner as the moderators don not have to listen to what the people want, they can do what they want. Maybe you don't see it that way, but I have noticed it at the 8 different UBB boards that I visit.

No actually, if I would have said, "These MacNN boards" then it would have referred specifically to the MacNN boards. I never made any mention of MacNN in my original post, and therefore, cannot be said to have directed my message to the MacNN boards. It was my intention to direct it at all UBB boards.

Wow, you noticed I edited it. Did you also happen to notice the date it was edited. Before you ever responded. I edited to add a few words that missed when originally posting. Nothing more, nothing less.

Um, lets see. I said that UBB boards are difficult to moderate when? Let me check my records....NEVER! Nevertheless, I do know that forums with high volume can become difficult to moderate, as one can never be there 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Your question reffered to the level of control exerted. It seems to me that moderators have more control at UBB boards, than many of the other bulletin board scripts available. The reason I use UBB as an example is because everyone here recognises what it is, and supposedly how it works (maybe not the fine points, but one can easily see the command structure).

Do you see where I'm coming from here?

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[Cipher13]

It is not a dictatorship.
And even it was a dictatorship isn't necessarily where a certain group have absolute and unadulterated power.
I mean how many dictatorships have lasted?
Not many.
In a fully tyrannical environment there are uprisings.
And uprisings from those in the "lower" caste always bring the downfall of those in the "higher".
So basically if it was a dictatorship we have:

A) No power. Well actually we do have power. We could leave right now.
B) No free speech, as stated. Umm... and yet we're discussing how it works?

Come on...

Now really, UBB is no different to Ikonboard or whatever in the level of control you can have.
That is a redundant statement that serves no better purpose than to make me think you don't know what you're talking about.

"especially UBB boards"... 'but in no way shape or form ikonboards'?

All boards work the same whether they're UBB or ikb or whatever.
Its simply a matter of different UI and different guts.

Cipher13

[giantmike]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
[b]
A) No power. Well actually we do have power. We could leave right now.
B) No free speech, as stated. Umm... and yet we're discussing how it works?
[b]

a) We really don't have any power. Oh boy, we leave. Doesn't really affect anything.
b) The only free speech we have is what is granted to us by the moderators and admins.

I used the comparison to "dictatorship" as simply a way to point out how we are under the rule of someone who does not have to take suggestions from anybody. Someone who has complete control.

That is a redundant statement that serves no better purpose than to make me think you don't know what you're talking about.

Is that true? So, I know nothing about web boards, when I visit 8 UBB boards, moderate two, 4 WebBBS, one Buzzboard, and one Ultraboard on a regular basis. I guess I have no experience then whatsoever

I'm ending this disscussion (on my part) right now, as it is very apparent that you cannot open your eyes and see my position.

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[AlbertWu]

Exactly what happened to the "No Life" thread? was it deleted or transfered or what?

I know I posted a lot of junk in there and someone else posted the alphabet.

I also got banned for it, and I certainly learned from that.

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24/7 Cell phone use can not kill you. I am half-consious proof. (It's not because of the cell phone.

Caffine is not a mind-altering drug.
It is a life-altering drug!

[Misha]

It was just closed. It's still in the Lounge.
http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/Foru...ML/000973.html

[jaguarandi]

Originally posted by giantmike:
Well, then, you should know that bulletin boards are run in such a manner as the moderators don not have to listen to what the people want, they can do what they want. Maybe you don't see it that way, but I have noticed it at the 8 different UBB boards that I visit.

There is a fine line between listening to what posters want and being able to implement all of their wants/desires. Think about it from a governmental standpoint - if a Government could implement everything its
citizens wanted, assuming they had the infinite resources to do so and that none of the wants were in conflict (right...), said society would be living in what we would consider Utopia. Same goes for boards - everyone wants something different, but there are limited resources to implement the changes wanted and some of the requested enhancements are often unwanted by others. It, like everything else in life, is a compromise.

No actually, if I would have said, "These MacNN boards" then it would have referred specifically to the MacNN boards. I never made any mention of MacNN in my original post, and therefore, cannot be said to have directed my message to the MacNN boards. It was my intention to direct it at all UBB boards.

Then you should re-read your original post and realize that your wording inferred MacNN's boards because you did not qualify it as otherwise. You also used the word 'here' in the same paragraph, further inferring that you were speaking of 'these boards' as MacNN's.

Wow, you noticed I edited it. Did you also happen to notice the date it was edited. Before you ever responded. I edited to add a few words that missed when originally posting. Nothing more, nothing less.

I also posted on 1/2/2000 (Tuesday). Remember, I'm three hours behind the posted time. And yes, I noticed that you edited it.

Your question reffered to the level of control exerted. It seems to me that moderators have more control at UBB boards, than many of the other bulletin board scripts available. The reason I use UBB as an example is because everyone here recognises what it is, and supposedly how it works (maybe not the fine points, but one can easily see the command structure).

You still didn't make any sense, and are venturing into the realm of Ca$h-ified logic (i.e., if I think something is/is not popular, then what I say is law, and damn any statistical evidence to the contrary). Not everyone 'knows' what UBB is.

Do you see where I'm coming from here?

No.

I'm ending this disscussion (on my part) right now, as it is very apparent that you cannot open your eyes and see my position.

What position is that? That you make a blanket statement about MacNN's boards (or, in your clarification, 'all UBB boards'), someone (myself and Cipher) disagreed with you, and that's it?

I have a news flash for you: people on here are going to disagree with you, and your point of view will never be the end-all and be-all of anything. Walking away from a valid argument only shows a closed-mindedness towards other ideas and dissenting opinions.

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[giantmike]

I have made over 8000 posts on various boards, and my point of view has been disagreed with many many times. I have found that it's just better to let something be, and let people think what they want rather than getting into a long arguement that will never be productive. That is why I will not respond any longer.

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[jaguarandi]

Whatever you say, Mike.



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[AlbertWu]

It was just closed. It's still in the Lounge.

I read in another thread that you said it was moved to Mod forum, then back. I must have looked at the wrong time.