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Zoom · Oct 7, 2004, 06:45 AM

I've got the Looney Tunes Golden Collection DVD set (four DVDs) and I'd like to burn a DVD with just my favorites. I believe each cartoon is one chapter, but I'm not 100%. I have MacTheRipper, DVD2OneX and Toast Titanium 6 - and of course, iDVD. Can I do this? If so, how? Ideally, I'd like to have something with a menu and little clips of each cartoon. I figure I can put many more cartoons on this way, without all the extra stuff.

Extra credit: Assuming the above is possible, is there a way in iDVD to create a "shuffle" menu item?

demograph68 · Oct 7, 2004, 07:02 AM

Your best bet is to rip your episodes as a demuxed VOB, or in other words, into 2 files. That would be the mpeg2 video and the separate audio track. For this to work, you'll need DVD Studio Pro. In the app, drag the files to the menu of your dvd. You can add buttons and a background if you'd like. When you're finished, compile it to a TS_Video folder and burn to DVD. Simple right? (I don't believe iDVD will be able to handle the ripped VOB files. It only works with quicktime encoded video.)

Zoom · Oct 7, 2004, 07:13 AM

I should have listed the constraints: I can't be shelling out big bucks to do this. $500 is big bucks. You're free to suggest this for others who might find this thread, but for my application, I need freeware or cheapware.

I thought DVD2OneX claimed to be able to rip just a chapter, but I can't find that now.

I need to be able to rip a chapter to some format that iDVD will import. If I can do that, with the audio attached and in sync, I should be set, right?

demograph68 · Oct 7, 2004, 07:40 AM

Do you have quicktime pro?

Zoom · Oct 7, 2004, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
Do you have quicktime pro?

No, but that's cheap. Why?

demograph68 · Oct 7, 2004, 08:19 AM

You can convert the Mpeg2 video to a DV format for quicktime using DiVa. Then encode the audio to AAC audio with MAC3dec and combine the 2 with quicktime. Then import the quicktime movie into iDVD and finish it off from there. (Or do the same with FFmpegX(free) with the VOB that you'd rip using OSex.

Prog. Streams will output a VOB.
Elem. Streams will output MPEG2 video and AC3 audio.

Choose the chapter you wish to rip which should be your episode of chose.

Zoom · Oct 7, 2004, 09:45 AM

Good God. Why is this so difficult? I know that DVDs are more complex than CDs, but why hasn't anyone managed to create a single tool that can manage all of this stuff? I would have to think that ripping a single chapter would be a very common thing to do. There should be an easier way to do this, one that gets the audio and video for you, keeps them all in sync, and packages up the results into something usable. Why is this so hard?

Also, why the hell don't they have some sort of text/title associated with the chapters/sections of a DVD? I'm surprised that there's not a "DVDDB" out there (similar to CDDB) that maps all this stuff.

This is really frustrating.

demograph68 · Oct 7, 2004, 09:56 AM

Or use Handbrake and rip the whole movie at a bitrate of 200 KB. Open in quicktime pro, edit the movie by episodes and save as/ normal (with dependancies) Import to iDVD.

Doing what you want will require getting your hands dirty. Their is no idiot-proof way of doing it to my knoweledge... sorry.

Uncle Skeleton · Oct 7, 2004, 09:59 AM

have you not heard of the mpaa? or the dmca? the makers of DVDs and the content on them don't want you ripping them

also be forewarned that many DVDs have the chapters marked at slightly different places for the audio than for the video. So while ripping the whole disc will keep things in sync, ripping just one chapter may force you to re-establish sync manually.

instead of DVDSP, see if Sizzle works for you:

http://thegoods.ath.cx/~hmason/sizzle/

Zoom · Oct 7, 2004, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Uncle Skeleton:
have you not heard of the mpaa? or the dmca? the makers of DVDs and the content on them don't want you ripping them[/url]

Have you heard of fair use?

I know you have, just like I'm sure you know I've heard of MPAA and DMCA. The law is very clear (or at least the precedent): if I own the DVD, I can make backups and mixes for my own use. That's not the issue here. If I can make a greatest hits CD from CDs I own, it should be no different with a DVD (in terms of legality).

The difference is the technology. I know that CDs and DVDs are fundamentally different and I know that DVDs are much more complicated. However, I also know that the technology exists to do this, I'm just wondering why there isn't an idiot-proof, one-app, single-click way to do it. It you can do this in "manual" steps with four tools, you should be able to automate it with one.

I think it basically comes down to this: movies are meant (generally) to be watched start to finish. One chapter rarely stands alone. That's probably why this is so difficult, technically. Still, if it can be done, I wish someone would come up with a way to do it in one shot.

k_munic · Oct 7, 2004, 03:02 PM

step 1)
I suppose the dvds are copy protected; you need tools as "OsEX" or "backup" to get rid of that.

step 2)
look for mpeg to streamclip, it's free
http://www.alfanet.it/squared5/mpegstreamclip.html
it will convert with one single click from .vob into .dv streams� (audio+video)

step 2andahalf)
buy some harddrives�- 1h dvd = 12Gb.

step 3)
you can re-edit these streams with iM or FCE

step 4)
export to iDVD; use the usual possibilities�_no, no shuffle feature in iDVD

Uncle Skeleton · Oct 7, 2004, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Zoom:
Have you heard of fair use?

it's all well and good to bitch about it, but when you're through perhaps you'd like to finance a company to write this dvd-ripping wundersoft and host this DVDDB for all the people clamoring to rip portions of DVDs and have them auto-tagged, then pay for an array of wile-e-lawyers to uphold your clear rights to break CSS encryption... The fact of the matter is, it's not what's clearly legal that counts, it's who has the money to bully around small software writers. CDs are only easy because the technology was allowed to evolve before the RIAA got their act together; nowadays everything has to be written either by corporations with lawyers or under cover of darkness

scottiB · Oct 7, 2004, 05:59 PM

k_munic officially rocks.

Thanks for the info (and to all others in this thread).

demograph68 · Oct 7, 2004, 09:18 PM

I am playing with DaViDeo at the moment and it seems very promising! BTW, Sizzle doesn't work on my computer for whatever reason. I have Panther 10.3.5

k_munic · Oct 8, 2004, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by scottiB:
k_munic officially rocks.
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first time EVER in my life, someone saying THAT about me

and I'm an old man�-

thing is, this "dvd rippin' " is really a BIG thing over here in Germany; so, many/most/all PC or Mac users have these tools in the box. allthough, it's illegal!!!!! German law doesn't even allow to MENTION the tools! besides owning and using them�-

btw, it's fun to edit your very own "directors cut"!

Zoom · Oct 8, 2004, 01:19 PM

Thanks, k_munic! I downloaded streamclip and I'll give it a try sometime.

Question: It says you have to buy the MPEG-2 plugin from Apple, which is $20. Is this included with QT Pro? Doesn't look like it. What a bummer. What's up with that? Licensing fees?

k_munic · Oct 10, 2004, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Zoom:
Thanks, k_munic! I downloaded streamclip and I'll give it a try sometime.

Question: It says you have to buy the MPEG-2 plugin from Apple, which is $20. Is this included with QT Pro? Doesn't look like it. What a bummer. What's up with that? Licensing fees?

no, QTpro DOESN'T include the mpeg2 plug-in.
yepp, licenses. mpeg2 is the standard used on dvds; so, someone HAS to make big bucks with that

which riminds me of the poor guy at Fraunhofer Institue over here in Germany, who invented mp3 and DIDN'T make a patent/any profit out of it - who would be the riches man in germany right now