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mitchell_pgh · Jan 30, 2002, 02:14 PM

With QuickTime Live only two weeks away (Feb. 11-14), does anyone have any predictions? Do you think QuickTime6 will be available. I'm counting the days until I can make a iMovie and encode it into MPEG-4!!!!!

Anyone as excited as I am?

Demonhood · Jan 30, 2002, 03:26 PM

If QT 6 truly does support exporting as MPEG-4, then yes, I am as excited as you.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 30, 2002, 03:59 PM

Actually, QuickTime 6 -->WILL<-- have MPEG-4 native. So when you are in iMovie, you can just go to save as, and select MPEG-4. The same goes for FinalCut Pro and Premier... They will also be releasing the AAC (Advanced Audio Codec) that is said to be much better and smaller then MP3 (but I'm not going to jump on that if they can F@#$ us with proprietary software type crap. I can't wait. Now we will be able to jump on the Divx style bandwagon. but our will naturally be better :-)

But Apple hasn't said when it will be out...

Millennium · Jan 30, 2002, 05:39 PM

I doubt we'll see any kind of final release for QT6. We'll probably see a demo of it, though. We might even see a public beta, though I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

NeoMac · Jan 30, 2002, 06:18 PM

Ghz G4s? G5s? SuperDrives? DDR-RAM? ... all of them, I could really care less!

QuickTime6 w MPEG4?
Now THAT is a piece of technology I'm dying to use. It'll probably be the greatest desktop innovation since the internet.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 31, 2002, 12:52 PM

Seriously... I don't care about the GHz race... I just want MPEG-4 native on my mac. Well, being honest, I want to start trading movies like everyone has been doing for over a year or two on the PC. I also want to send all of my friends iMovie videos over the web. Considering the new superdrive on the iMac, you could fit app. four full length movies on one DVD-R... Or about 10 one half hour shows... It's very interesting... I also see recording features if they get the codec fast enough... Plug your new iMac into the TV and record away... Consider the possibilities.

I hope they have a beta then. MPEG-4 has already been introduced to QucikTime Streaming Server... Apple has been working on this for over a year now... I wonder what's holding them back... (I know, I know, it's not something that happens overnight, but...)

With iTunes/MP3, CD-RW and a few other things, Apple has been slow to the market, but once they do... They do it the right way...

Evangellydonut · Feb 2, 2002, 05:14 PM

DivX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a few hundread GB of divx files on CDs, and playing them on DivX player 1.0b10 (which is good as dead), 4.11a codec or what not is not fun!

i NEED QT6...(and DVD-R, which is another story)
With that said, if anyone's looking into something to replace MP3s, slashdotters seem to unanimously (sp?) agree that ogg vorbis is the next best thing...and I think they have a QT plug-in of sort, way cool!

Archangel · Feb 4, 2002, 12:39 PM

I guess I'm pretty clueless. Where are you guys getting this info on QT6. If it is what you guys are saying it is, it's going to freakin' rock.

Links please?

mitchell_pgh · Feb 4, 2002, 09:39 PM

http://www.digitalmediadesigner.com/...live011217.htm

HIGHLIGHTS

QuickTime 6--will use MPEG-4 as its file format. We also discussed how open standards like MPEG-4 and the AAC audio component fit in with competing technologies from Microsoft and Real.

Is it Feb. 11 yet... I just want to see where they are...

mitchell_pgh · Feb 4, 2002, 09:58 PM

Check this out!!!!!
http://www.apple.com/quicktimelive/a...ataglance.html

QT01:
MPEG4 & QuickTime: A Technical Update on QuickTime Client Technologies

[b]BUT that's not nearly as interesting as:[b]
QT03:
Super Secret Session to be Announced at the Conference

T Allen · Feb 5, 2002, 09:23 AM

It's also the only session repeated all-day-long!

>>Super Secret Session to be Announced at the Conference>>

Let's see. . .

It falls under the Produce column. According to Apple those sessions are for
"Digital media producers looking for tips and techniques for creating QuickTime
content for use on the Internet, CD and DVD-ROM."

I just went through the list. . . and there's a missing topic!

This secret session deals with QT/SMIL. . . and. . .I see something really big being
pulled out of hat!

Cipher13 · Feb 5, 2002, 11:31 AM

...here y'all are gettin' your hopes up again...

neutrino23 · Feb 5, 2002, 04:21 PM

Just speculation but I don't think QT 6 will be out till later this year. There was a good presentation about this in the user conference at MWSF. It sounds like the issues are more of getting everyone to agree on the standards and lining up all the licensing agreements for the different codecs that will be included rather than a problem of writing software.

It does sound like MPEG-4 will be the hot technology for video whether it is streamed or locally sourced. It is not even out yet but already providers are preparing for it.

Feb 8, 2002, 01:38 AM

Well, I'm not sure if Quicktime6, even with MPEG-4 support, will be able to play existing divx-encoded MOV or AVI files unless the divx codec is installed on the system (the one from www.divx.com). The one thing Apple better have done is to fix the broken MP3 support in AVI files that Quicktime5 currently suffers from. This bug is the reason divx AVI files will play with no sound using Quicktime player unless the file format is changed from AVI to MOV.

As it stands, it appears that divx4 is the only freely available implementation of the MPEG-4 standard. I'm not sure if the 'official' MPEG-4 codec will be made available freely by Apple through Quicktime. The file format will also be new. There are basically no tools yet that support the official MPEG-4 file format (not to be confused with the codec) on either the Mac or the PC. Since the AVI file format has so much widespread support, we may end up with a similar situation as with divx. That is, AVI may become the accepted default file format for the 'official' MPEG-4 codec as well, just as it has with divx.

MOV is a better file format than AVI, but AVI has become the default file format for the divx codec because there are a whole range of freely available tools out there that only work with AVI, and not MOV. For example, DVD2AVI, VFAPI, and VirtualDub (the three tools needed to make high-quality Divx movies) all only support AVI, and not MOV.

Frankly, divx has ruined it for the official MPEG-4 file format at this point. divx+mp3/avi will continue to be the way movies are traded on the net, and mpeg4+aac/mpeg4 will just be something that sits on the sidelines. This is what happened to mp3 as well. mp3/mp3 has become the accepted standard, and nothing else has even made a dent in what is considered the standard for digital music storage, even though there are plenty of better formats and codecs out there. aac, ogg, and even wma. None hold a candle to the popularity of mp3.

starman · Feb 8, 2002, 01:59 AM

MPEG-4? Snore. Maybe if I was one of those people wasting bandwidth by downloading DIVX rips of DVDs I'd actually care.

Mike

memento · Feb 9, 2002, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by starman:
MPEG-4? Snore. Maybe if I was one of those people wasting bandwidth by downloading DIVX rips of DVDs I'd actually care.

Mike

Dude, why even bother posting.

Anyway, I look forward to MPEG4. very much. I do a lot of video captures of home movies to share with my family over the net and can't wait to try it out!

edddeduck · Feb 9, 2002, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by starman:
MPEG-4? Snore. Maybe if I was one of those people wasting bandwidth by downloading DIVX rips of DVDs I'd actually care.

Mike

MPEG-4 is great compression not just for DIV-X movies and DIV-x != MPEG4

Div-X is a hack of the MPEG4 algorithm.

Anyway Quicktime 6 is much needed as QT5 is a nasty hack on OS X (The player at least)

Cheers Edd

OwlBoy · Feb 9, 2002, 11:00 PM

Dude even if QT6 (or 5.1 as some peeps are calling it) has MPEG4 that DOES NOT mean that it will automaticly read divx movies!

DivX is not pure MPEG4 its hind of a hacked up version based on an unfinished standard.

I mean, OpenDivX and DivX and 3ivx all dont run each others movies... but they are all "MPEG4" codecs... Sheesh, slow down, and stop wineing about not being ablte to pirate movies and or TV shows...

-Owl

starman · Feb 10, 2002, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by memento:


Dude, why even bother posting.

Anyway, I look forward to MPEG4. very much. I do a lot of video captures of home movies to share with my family over the net and can't wait to try it out!

Errr...what's wrong with the Quicktime codec? You make it sound like MPEG-4 is going to open all these doors for you.

I do captures as well and had NO problems using Quicktime.

Mike

Cipher13 · Feb 11, 2002, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by starman:


Errr...what's wrong with the Quicktime codec? You make it sound like MPEG-4 is going to open all these doors for you.

I do captures as well and had NO problems using Quicktime.

Mike

Err... QuickTime isn't a codec...

I gotta agree though. MPEG-4 is nothing amazing.

Everyone is jumping up and down like its the second coming. Whoppee. Sure, it's cool, but come on...

memento · Feb 11, 2002, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by starman:


Errr...what's wrong with the Quicktime codec? You make it sound like MPEG-4 is going to open all these doors for you.

I do captures as well and had NO problems using Quicktime.

Mike

Which codec are you referring to? There are many included in QT. I also have not had any PROBLEMS using QT - don't put words in my mouth, but as I said, I share movies over the net with my family. I welcome the opportunity to try any codec that can give me better quality with a lower data rate. Not everyone I share with has a cable modem, so I look forward to MPEG4 for that reason. I don't see where MPEG4 would open up any doors for me, it just has the potential of saving my family time and giving them better movies.

mitchell_pgh · Feb 11, 2002, 09:18 AM

starman no, MPEG4 via. QuickTime isn't goint go be the end all beat all, BUT it opens the door for easy to build TV video capture apps along with an alternative option for all of our apps (FCP, iMovie etc.). I don't know about your, but filling my hard drive for a 1 hour movie insn't my idea of a great codec...

I also would like to see my family being able to download video over the web and not having them to download a 200mb file for 5 mins. of footage...

c0rvette · Feb 11, 2002, 04:55 PM

OK LISTEN UP.

whatever the QT release, it is not going to simply allow to play the DivX movies, but it is going to eliminate the need to doctor DivX files!!! Remember this is the mp3 bug in .avi files.

So you will still need to have the DivX codec installed (which will be updated promptly following the QT announcent). This means that you can have instantanious playback with DivX.. Finally!!!

Jan Van Boghout · Feb 12, 2002, 02:04 AM

I don't know what will change at QT Live , but it won't be QT 6 :

"And by the time QuickTime 5 is a year old, we're going to hit 100 million" from an article on maccentral . That means 5 will still be around when it's a year old . Of course I'm just as satisfied when 5.1 will use MPEG-4

Cipher13 · Feb 12, 2002, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
starman no, MPEG4 via. QuickTime isn't goint go be the end all beat all, BUT it opens the door for easy to build TV video capture apps along with an alternative option for all of our apps (FCP, iMovie etc.). I don't know about your, but filling my hard drive for a 1 hour movie insn't my idea of a great codec...

I also would like to see my family being able to download video over the web and not having them to download a 200mb file for 5 mins. of footage...

It'd be nice, but... meh. Personally, I wouldn't use it; I can't stand degrading things.

If I have a DV Stream, unless I write it out to tape, I'll keep it in that format; once you concert something to another format, however lossy it is, what you lose is gone forever. That annoys the hell outta me

But yeah, it'd be awesome for delivery... I still use MPEG-1 for that (it's just so good).

tr · Feb 12, 2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
I don't know what will change at QT Live , but it won't be QT 6 :

"And by the time QuickTime 5 is a year old, we're going to hit 100 million" from an article on maccentral . That means 5 will still be around when it's a year old . Of course I'm just as satisfied when 5.1 will use MPEG-4

well, we almost have QT 6 w/ mpeg-4. Schiller just said at QTLive! the PB for QT6 is ready to distribute, but they can't do it, because the mpegla standards for licensing aren't finalized.

tr

pegges · Feb 12, 2002, 02:15 PM

The coolest thing, though, has got to be QuickTime Broadcaster. Now, everyone can be a broadcaster as well as a video producer. Watch out, Ted Turner.

T Allen · Feb 12, 2002, 02:19 PM

Like MPEG 4 is the only thing in QT 6. Release the damn thing so we can see the rest of it - Flash 5, QT SMIL, etc. When the licensing issues are resolved just download the codec. What am I missing here?

Is it an issue of QT 6 being totally co-dependent on MPEG 4? Hell, this could take months to be resolved!

T Allen · Feb 12, 2002, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by pegges:
The coolest thing, though, has got to be QuickTime Broadcaster. Now, everyone can be a broadcaster as well as a video producer. Watch out, Ted Turner.

Did Channel Storm just get pushed off the cliff?

T Allen · Feb 12, 2002, 02:26 PM

I'm steamed! Where's the new QT 6 interface? How could they NOT address this?

. . . time to go kick the dog . . . I need my meds.

T Allen · Feb 12, 2002, 02:27 PM

I promise, I'll go calm down.

thanatos · Feb 12, 2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by pegges:
The coolest thing, though, has got to be QuickTime Broadcaster. Now, everyone can be a broadcaster as well as a video producer. Watch out, Ted Turner.

I agree!
It's a scandal that there has been no broadcaster for Sorensen 3 (Quicktime's main codec). The only broadcaster available for Sorensen 3 is Sorensen Broadcaster 1.5 for Windows!!! The mac version is 1.1 and can't stream Sorensen 3.

Sorenson is a lame company!

Finally Apple did something right, and made their own broadcaster!

[ 02-12-2002: Message edited by: thanatos ]

mitchell_pgh · Feb 13, 2002, 10:20 AM

I would just like to say "I actually predicted something!!!" I've been on at around 90% over the past few months.

Cipher13 ...here y'all are gettin' your hopes up again...

neutrino23 Just speculation but I don't think QT 6 will be out till later this year.

Jan Van Boghout I don't know what will change at QT Live , but it won't be QT 6 :

Not to be an A$$, but F@#$ YOU!

T Allen · Feb 13, 2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I would just like to say "I actually predicted something!!!" I've been on at around 90% over the past few months.[/b]

P-l-e-a-s-e look into your crystal ball and tell us when this MPEG 4 licensing mess will to be resolved. By the end of the week? Month? Year? Or never?

T Allen · Feb 13, 2002, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I would just like to say "I actually predicted something!!!" I've been on at around 90% over the past few months.[/b]

P-l-e-a-s-e look into your crystal ball and tell us when this MPEG 4 licensing mess will to be resolved. By the end of the week? Month? Year? Or never?

mitchell_pgh · Feb 14, 2002, 12:46 PM

<looking into crystal ball> I see a man in black... walking on stage... sometime in July... MPEG4... Now available for download... I see it, I SEE IT!!!

MacWorld New York in July???