[blizaine]

I think I recall, a couple months ago, Steve talking about the next Quicktime (5?) and that it would have mpeg2 decoding and encoding and I thought he said it would be out this summer.

Did I twist stuff around in my head or is this true or does anyone even really know?

any info/rumers would be nice (AppleInsider-anything to add?)

thanks

[wlonh]

seems my dimwitted mind has the same recollection...

let's all lynch that guy Steve Jobs... who does he think he is!?!

anyway?

[pdot]

This is just like the OS X beta dealy. In Steve's mind, summer isn't close to over yet. Also, I bet SJ is saving Quicktime 5 for Seybold or the next MacWorld. I mean, if he announced OS X beta and QT 5 in the last expo, along with the other desktops, then he would run out of new stuff to keep us happy.

[Evangellydonut]

hehe, yeah, there is a limit as to how many product ya wanna announce.
By next MacWorld, do you mean San Fran? or do you mean Paris? I say Paris, they'll announce OS X beta, QT5, and probably an update to iBook, since that thing's overdue for an update. At MacWorld 2001 San Fran, they'll probably finish the new product grid...we'll see.

[Feathers]

I heard that one of the most significant dev's in QT5 was a serious overhaul of the QTVR capabilities. YIPPEE!

Summer is a long season in Cupertino! (seriously)

I feel reluctant to bash Apple on minor delays in software releases, like may be the case with OS X and QuickTime. Frankly, Apple is still rebuilding it's software business, and if their success on the hardware side is any indication of future software success... well, I'm very excited.


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Eliott Wolfe
Winnetka, Calif

This is for Wlonh, the not so moderate moderator. As a long time Apple user and shareholder, I am taken back by your suggestion that we all go "lynch that guy Steve Jobs". Whether made in jest or not, that comment is uncalled for, rude, and in some ways in conflict with the purpose of such a service as the forums. It is also presumptuous to make a statement such as that when you (presumably) have no experience running a company like Apple, which seeks not only innovation but QUALITY, and as such do not understand that good products don't just magically appear, they take time to develop. I suggest that, as a gesture of good will, you apologize and retract the statement immediately.

As for the question of when Quicktime 5 will come out, read what The Wolfe has to say like it's your bible, because he's right on the money.

Howard

[Evangellydonut]

I think Lon meant for it to be a joke if anything. We are all aware of what Jobs has done with Apple since his return, mostly good and some arguably not so great from end-user's perspective. I think all the Mac enthusists (sp?) mostly appreciate what Jobs was able to do with Apple in 2+ years.

I'm not a business person, and I'm only an engineer in training, but it seems that currently, Apple's a little under-resourced. With most of their focus on OS X and QT5, little room was left on the Mobo/HW side. (Integrating a 1Gb ethernet chip ain't all that hard, nor is putting 2 CPUs on one daughter card, especially given the amount of time they had. They are over-due for a new Mobo design...)

Back to topic. I think QT5 should also have MPEG4 fully implemented...

Evan, I doubt you have ever worked for a technology company. Please realize that putting Gigahertz ethernet on a motherboard is not a piece of cake (otherwise why isn't Dell doing it?). Also, putting two G4 chips onto a motherboard and offering it at the same price as the previous single CPU systems is an exceptional deal, one which you will be hard-pressed to match or beat elsewhere.

As for your comments on what Apple should include in Quicktime's next release, I say we leave it up to Steve Jobs. He seems to have the most knowledge on the subject anyways...

[wlonh]

some people can NOT take a joke... jeez, lighten up, Francis! (that is a reference to the line by Warren Oates in the movie "Stripes")

TRULY, i have been chided often enough for my ADMIRATION of Mr. Jobs, which borders on hero-worship i can assure you!

i have nearly created a shrine to him in my home, according to my closest friends...

i even live in the BIG APPLE quite by design... (ok, that last bit was another joke, but i do live in NYC and everyone knows that) honest and true and may i be struck dead, i have been told many times that i am far too enamored of Mr. Steve Jobs and that i 'drink the Kool-Aid' far too often. maybe so.

i consider that he has saved dear Apple, and i have been taken to task on that score by some who believe that it was Gil Amelio that saved Apple, but i believe that Mr. Amelio gets a bit too much credit from those who make that claim... from the very day one of Apple's existence, i have supported Jobs (and Woz, of course, and of the two of them Woz is by far the better human) and Apple.

I have stock in Apple, my sisters have stock in Apple, my dear old mother has stock in Apple, my nephews have stock in Apple... my family_uses_Apple... what more would anyone want as further proof of PRO-Appleness?

my remark was made in jest, and anyone with an IQ over 100 would likely see that, and everyone knows that i am completely and whole-heartedly dedicated to using Macs and MacOS... i reiterate for the 10 millionth time: THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION FOR ME, I USE APPLE COMPUTERS AND ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL

now, i am going to go off into the world and berate that incorrigible swine Bill Gates some more (also a favorite activity of mine) and bad-mouth his crummy OS... oh, and did i mention i have a very strong dislike of those kludgy Intel processors? well, i do.

and everyone knows that too

oh, and my custom clock color in my menubar? Apple red!!!

(my remark about IQ was aimed at no one in particular and was aimed at the general populace of the world, those that can read English, of course... and i am expected to just sit back and let troglodytes and children and assorted other *ahem* people attack me and take it... no way! all of you Francises out there: lighten up, Francis!)



[This message has been edited by wlonh (edited 08-11-2000).]

Once again, an inappropriate response to a user's comment.

wlonh, I feel very insulted by your comment concerning my IQ, which I deem a personal attack. I demand that you make a formal apology immediately, as I will not sit around and let people attack my intelligence and my character.

[Evangellydonut]

Actually, Howard has a point there...

I take it that you have worked for a technology company, Howard?
Why isn't Dell putting gigabit ethernet on their computers? 'cuz it's too expensive to standarize on such a thing, and the practical usage is VERY limited. Unless you have a direct connection to an OC or ATM, you won't be able to max the 100bt ethernet. You can argue that since hds are getting faster, transferring data faster between 2 computers can be useful. However, I was at Fry's electronics the other day, and saw a 4 port Gb ethernet switch for US$1,500! That's not priced within reach of consumers. ONLY practical consumer usage is direct ethernet connection with 2 new G4s. (read somewhere that cross-over cable isn't necessary with the new ethernet, which is a plus.)

Let's see...implementation wise...ethernet chip still has the same I/O lines, same control lines. I haven't had a chance to work with ethernet chips, and not sure if there is parity/handshaking, even if there were, I'd imagine them to be similar. I can see there being timing problems in-order to fully utilize the gigabit speed. Otherwise, it's just a matter of connecting the PCB and writing some code to auto-distinguish 10/100/1000bt, if thats even necessary. (I recall having to change 1 number and no code when changing the speed of the serial port when I designed the hardware and wrote the assembly code that utilized it...)

Offering 2 G4s for the same price might be considered a good deal by many. On ther other hand, prior to the dual G4 release, at the Apple store, a 50Mhz increase in chip speed cost an extra ~US$350. So to increase the CPU by 100Mhz, it costs ~US$700. It was around US$1,000 or so when the G4s first came out. Soon, I can get a new 1Ghz Athlon for US$500 (in quantity, and probably less than US$600 OEM retail price). And you are telling me I'm not being ripped off? I KNEW that I was being ripped off when I first bought my G4/450, but I bought it anyway, 'cuz I like Apple, I like(d) their hardware and their software. I still like their software, and thinks that they are now behind on hardware, not entirely the fault of their own, but nonetheless, they are behind. Right now, with the new dual CPU G4s and the gigabit ethernet, yeah, consumers are getting ripped off less than same time last year, but you also should take into account the decrease in HD price, as well as the price of many other HW parts that they use, especially when there is no major revision/change to the mobo for a year.

If you are a hardware engineer working for Apple, feel free to flame me and make me look stupid. If you are an EE major, go ahead and prove me wrong. Don't just say "youre statement is invalid" without proof!
(Oh, and I know I am an arrogant SOB, but that's outside the scope of this argument.)

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[roders]

Loosen up Howard (Francis? I can't understand why you would not want anyone to know if that was your real name!)
Wlonh did not mean ANY offence, in fact I find your lack of sense of humour more offensive than Wlonh making a light hearted remark about Steve Job's, a man who has done a great job for Apple, but he is also a man you do not even know in a personal capacity, so I find it strange that you are have been so overtly defensive about Mr Wlohn's absolutely harmless remark.
Me thinks people who use this forum sometimes have a hidden agenda (I am not singularly necessarily referring to your post in particular & I'm highly likely to be wrong anyway, it's just I've noticed people knocking people for what seem's to be absolutely no real reason at all lately).

I usually deride the negativity I often find in the forums, but for this case I have to side with Howard.

Wlonh: I have a hard time even acknowledge you and your ‘sense of humor’, as I feel almost hypocritical when I say that I find the majority of your posts useless on a good day, and depressingly trite on a bad one. You would not have to defend your actions and beliefs incessantly if you actually attempted to live and post to these forums by them. It is your right to post your opinion – and indeed to say that anyone can’t post his opinion would be wrong. The only people whose intelligence and IQ I question are those who post just for the hell of posting, and add nothing of value to the discussion or topic at hand. It’s a fine line between humor and stupidity.

As for the Gigabit Ethernet switches, they actually start at $999 at the AppleStore for a 4 port model. Gigabit Ethernet is going to be one of the next big things. Once CAT5+ cable becomes standard at most sites, Gigabit is going to bring new meaning to the implementation and uses of networking in future computers and software. Many say that 1000/100 BaseT Ethernet is overkill on new machines, but that’s the same thing people said about the LaserWriter IIG series printers that included 10BaseT Ethernet back in ’91. I know people who are very happy Apple chose to ‘overkill’ on the features back then so they can use their old printer with a new iMac today. Forward thinking is an integral part of a successful Apple Computer – it was, and will be again. This may sometimes come at the cost of convenient of those users who want 1200MHz NOW (few professionals I know are complaining about the speed of their G4’s), and those who think software development is an exact science, with exact shipping dates.

I welcome your arguments/comments on these topics.


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Eliott Wolfe
Winnetka, Calif

[wlonh]

a gigabit ethernet switch discussion is completely out of place in a QT forum.

there Wolfie, how's that? and i care not a whit what you say about me personally as long as you do it with some class and intelligence, as you did... as wrong as you are



do have a good life, all...

[Evangellydonut]

you can still use a 10 yr old printer if it still prints at reasonable speed and quality. Can you still use a 10 yr old computer? Technically, yes, you can still use the Apple IIci or LCII, but how many still do? I'd rather spend US$50-100 when the technology gets popular and actually useful, rather than have it bloat the price of my computer by US$400+ and can't even use it to its full potential!
Also, technology overkill in a computer that's lagging in technology is not the best of ideas. MP Intel machines exited for quite some time now, but unless one is able to up the CPU speed of a single CPU, MP is only a very temporary solution.

[wlonh]

discussion of peripherals belongs in the peripherals forum, folks...

ethernet switches, printers, hubs, etc., that sort of thing... peripherals

[RWoelk]

"Hmmmmm?" He wrote inquisitively... Would it also follow that a "Fleets Enema" comes under the subject of periperials?/// Cuz there are clearly a couple of good ol boys here that could use a case of them. On second thought, a colonoscopy might be in order to see just what has these malcontents so impacted. **Smile>> It's the weekend and you people are on one of the most advanced user friendly computers in the world.

In all seriousness, quit taking out your anger at the world on the Mods., or at the very least, have a da*mn good reason for complaining. Humorless Tight As*ss' are unbecoming to these forums. Then again, perhaps you miscreants are forced to spend too much of your work week using the dark side's platform. That would explain things more in which case only intense psychotherapy maybe your only salvation.

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[This message has been edited by RWoelk (edited 08-12-2000).]

Well, I was taking the printer analogy to the maximum there - most people don't use 10 year old printers, but those of us who happen to be graced by an old LaserWriter are definitely lucky. If 4 or 5 years of quality use can be gotten out of a computer, that's still a pretty good deal I think anybody would agree with. I think gigabit Ethernet was a good move by Apple, and it's really not one that pumped up the cost per machine for Apple very much either. I'm willing to bet that the 10/100/1000 BaseT controller doesn't cost more than 30 or $40 for Apple in bulk.

The thing that strikes me is how all Mac users have suddenly turned into futurists! The ends justify the means when it comes to CPU horsepower folks. If Apple can beat the performance of a Windows 2000 workstation using dual processors and keep the cost to the consumers at the same level as before, then what's the gripe? No, we're all thinking 6 or 12 months down the road. I'm sure that people with MP G4's will all be using Mac OS X in 5 or 6 months, so I don't buy that complaint about OS 9 not being optimized. We've all become impatient as hell.

New pro hardware will come out.
Apple won't go under.
They're smart and will find a new microprocessor path.

Until then, it makes for good forum material.

(Oh, I forgot... I have to relate this somehow to QuickTime, as we're in the QuickTime forum.)

Gigabit Ethernet will allow faster QuickTime streaming sites on the internet. oMP G4's will allow for dual supercomputers to quickly encode QuickTime movies.