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IceEnclosure · Jan 24, 2003, 01:24 PM

heya.. i'm installing 10.2 Jag on a G4 400.. the CD is a burned copy (school)..

I get to the 'select language' screen, then the 'read me', then the 'License agreement'... I then select destination, and it starts installing.... then stops... the light on the DVD drive (factory drive) stops lighting up, and nothing happens... about an hour or two later, the computer shuts off.. this has happend twice so far...
I'm thining the DVD drive isn't fast enough to read the burned CD? I've installed 10.2 via the same disk twice on two other computers without any problems, though both of those computers had rather fast CD drives.

Anyone with a clue? it's a G4 400 AGP with the factory DVD-ROM drive

any help would be appreciated

thanks!

SirCastor · Jan 24, 2003, 01:45 PM

Mine installed fine with factory drive.. I was using the originals, not a burned copy though.

reader50 · Jan 24, 2003, 04:06 PM

Copies of Jag that you purchase are of higher quality, and give better karma, than burned copies. My G4 350 with factory DVD-ROM had no trouble with my full-price Install CDs.

IceEnclosure · Jan 25, 2003, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by reader50:
Copies of Jag that you purchase are of higher quality, and give better karma, than burned copies. My G4 350 with factory DVD-ROM had no trouble with my full-price Install CDs.

dude.. thanks...

my karma's just fine.. I'm about 60 miles from my original Jag disk... I have a burned copy..the original's at home with the folks. I was looking for a quick solution (something besides trekkin' back to the homefront to get a disk and turn around)

'full price'... yea, paid.. thanks

my karma...

I paid for my OS... as did you... how's about all the other software on your 'puter?

(actually.. i don't care)

a simple.. 'yea, i've heard issues of the factory DVD drive reading burned disks slowly-apparently too slowly for an OSX install' -or otherwise.

thanks again

ReggieX · Jan 25, 2003, 10:40 AM

I have the same machine as you, and my Jaguar installed OK, so it's not the drive. Have you checked out the drive you're installing onto with Noront, Disk Utility, etc? Maybe that's the problem.

reader50 · Jan 25, 2003, 01:34 PM

Sorry, I cannot help with any burned disc issues. No burner yet, and my factory DVD-ROM has handled everything just fine. Since the computer seems to freeze up without the DVD drive running, try a CUDA reset on the Sawtooth. Pull 3rd party USB peripherals and 3rd party PCI cards, those sometimes confuse things.

Run DFA on the partition you are trying to install onto. If there is damage, that could confuse the heck out of an installer.

If you can network to another Mac with a retail Jag install, OS 9 can copy an X install across. You have to make all the root-level files / folders visible first. Don't copy TheVolumeSettingsFolder or HFS+PrivateData (if present).

IceEnclosure · Jan 26, 2003, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by reader50:
Sorry, I cannot help with any burned disc issues. No burner yet, and my factory DVD-ROM has handled everything just fine. Since the computer seems to freeze up without the DVD drive running, try a CUDA reset on the Sawtooth. Pull 3rd party USB peripherals and 3rd party PCI cards, those sometimes confuse things.

Run DFA on the partition you are trying to install onto. If there is damage, that could confuse the heck out of an installer.

If you can network to another Mac with a retail Jag install, OS 9 can copy an X install across. You have to make all the root-level files / folders visible first. Don't copy TheVolumeSettingsFolder or HFS+PrivateData (if present).

thanks for the reply...

no sawtooth, it's an AGP (diff, right?) USB pulled, and PCI pending (pulling PCI monitor card tomorrow)... DFA ran, said it's 'OK'... recipient machine connected to Jag machine, can't get 'em to recognize.... hmmmm... root-level files/folders visible? ::dies::

10.0.4 to 10.1 to Jag should work, eh? I'll give it a go... I gotta work a double tomorrow... (READ: 10 to midnight Superbowl Sunday...3 for 1 alcoholic bevs all day ) so I prolly won't get around to it till monday..

thanks!

drew

tooki · Jan 26, 2003, 07:25 PM

I, too, have had trouble with burned CDs and the DVD-ROM drive in my blue G3. Jaguar wouldn't install, or installed a copy that would kernel panic.

If you have an external FireWire CD-RW drive, try booting from it instead (put the disc in the burner, hold down option when you start up to bring the boot disc selector). If that fails, then burn a fresh CD (if possible, on a different brand of disc, too) and try it.

I've found that DVD-ROM drives are a lot worse at reading marginal CDs, especially once the drives start to get old.

tooki

superlarry · Jan 29, 2003, 05:29 PM

B&W's can't boot from firewire devices.
and their DVD drives are bad at reading burned CD's.
and one of the jaguar cd's is too big to fit on a normal or even a 700 MB (80-minute) cd - apple used special cd's.
linux (cdrecord or cdrdao) and OSX's built-in Disk Copy are awesome at burning copies that remain compatible, in case you wanna try again, provided you have one of these special cd's. otherwise, i guess you should get your originals.

bartman00 · Jan 29, 2003, 09:50 PM

it's just a simple matter of bad burned disks... I don't see what's so complicated about this. If your drive can read other cd and stuff. If not go buy another cd rom/dvd and be happy.

Bart

Cipher13 · Jan 29, 2003, 11:21 PM

Ice - same machine, stock DVD drive. Jag installed fine, and the discs were burned (my originals stay at work).

The 'shutting off' thing is odd... PSU fan messed up? Maybe it's meant to do that.

I dunno, it's odd. Are they cheap discs? I only use the best CD-R's. Verbatim, blue ones. Not cyanine, azo or whatever.

IceEnclosure · Jan 30, 2003, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Ice - same machine, stock DVD drive. Jag installed fine, and the discs were burned (my originals stay at work).

The 'shutting off' thing is odd... PSU fan messed up? Maybe it's meant to do that.

I dunno, it's odd. Are they cheap discs? I only use the best CD-R's. Verbatim, blue ones. Not cyanine, azo or whatever.

yo yo...

I dunno, same burned Jag CD installed perfect on my 533...

I'd say it's a good CD (label covering brand)

anyhow.. I've been meaning to get myself a fast burner, so when I ordered, I ordered one for her too.. 48x Lite On ^_^

should be here on Thursday.. I'll see how things go...

if she can't get Jag installed then, at least she'll be able to burn 2 minute CDs from OS9

yea, cipher, the shutting off thing is strange... when it shuts off, the DVD drive's light hasn't lit up in a few hours... and since it's starting up off the CD, and getting halfway thru the install, I guess it realizes there's no OS to boot to, so it shuts off? yea, weird

drew

DrBoar · Jan 30, 2003, 04:16 AM

Intalled perfectly on my G4/400 AGP. Installed from a burned copy. I allways directly make a copy of my disks. File the original and use the copy for installation. I would hate to lose a original disk at my messy and over crowded desk. A copy is no big deal. (I did the same thing in he floppy era, then as images on ZIP disks)

Same thing with a B&W G3/300. Hell I could even install 10.1 on a 7500 with a 604E/200 card, then we are talking abour really slow CDs and computers!

My guess is that there is some error on your copy. Was if copied with verification?

IceEnclosure · Jan 30, 2003, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by DrBoar:
Intalled perfectly on my G4/400 AGP. Installed from a burned copy. I allways directly make a copy of my disks. File the original and use the copy for installation. I would hate to lose a original disk at my messy and over crowded desk. A copy is no big deal. (I did the same thing in he floppy era, then as images on ZIP disks)

Same thing with a B&W G3/300. Hell I could even install 10.1 on a 7500 with a 604E/200 card, then we are talking abour really slow CDs and computers!

My guess is that there is some error on your copy. Was if copied with verification?

dunno about 'copied with verification'... if I can remember, it was done with the latest Toast?

but I tend to agree, there's gotta be somethin' wrong... her computer should be able to read it... although others here have said they've got similar issues with their DVD drives.. hmmph... dunno... hopefully solve today when the screamin' burner comes in the mail