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Lebodde · Feb 4, 2003, 08:17 AM

20% faster processor, the always psychologically important "1GHz" denomination, DDR, faster graphics, faster airport, 100% faster DVD burner, free iLife apps and... $200 cheaper!

To top it all off, it's available right now!

Sure, it's not earth shattering, but I'll bet 95% of potential buyers will be pretty happy with this annoucement. It's a logical 8 months update for the 17".

I'm ordering.

andreas_g4 · Feb 4, 2003, 08:22 AM

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=144202

Seems like different opinions...

gumby5647 · Feb 4, 2003, 08:29 AM

didn't the 17" Superdrive iMac use to cost $1,699?

why the $100.00 bump?

year of the notebook indeed.

*yawn*

Commodus · Feb 4, 2003, 08:47 AM

gumby:

That was the 15" Superdrive model... the 17" was $1999 at first, and I think it dropped to $1899 later on. So the 1 GHz 17" model is definitely an improvement...

I do think they should have put out a 17" Combo model at a price like $1599, but I'm not in the position of an iMac buyer (as my sig points out, my Mac of choice is a laptop) so I can't speak for everyone else. I do hear that the Superdrive models have always been the most popular.

Agent69 · Feb 4, 2003, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by Commodus:
gumby:

That was the 15" Superdrive model... the 17" was $1999 at first, and I think it dropped to $1899 later on. So the 1 GHz 17" model is definitely an improvement...

I do think they should have put out a 17" Combo model at a price like $1599, but I'm not in the position of an iMac buyer (as my sig points out, my Mac of choice is a laptop) so I can't speak for everyone else. I do hear that the Superdrive models have always been the most popular.

No, it was still $1999.00. I know because I was looking at them this past weekend. Personally, I don't want a superdrive, just a combo, but it is nice just the same.

OldManMac · Feb 4, 2003, 08:58 AM

looks like I'm going to be selling more iMacs from now on!

kmkkid · Feb 4, 2003, 09:39 AM

wtf cant the superdrive burn cd's at 40x? 8x is sooooo 90's

Guess I'll be keeping my PC even if I do buy this new rev imac.

Chris

NormPhillips · Feb 4, 2003, 09:39 AM

As I said in another thread...

No FireWire 800

No AirPort Extreme in low end model

No built in bluetooth capability in low end model

No DVD Burner in 15" model - This I hate the most

Not so impressive now...

jokell82 · Feb 4, 2003, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
As I said in another thread...

No FireWire 800

No AirPort Extreme in low end model

No built in bluetooth capability in low end model

No DVD Burner in 15" model - This I hate the most

Not so impressive now...

1- Get a PowerMac
2- Get a 17"
3- Get a 17"
4- Get a 17"

Why are you so opposed to the 17" model? It has all the features you want besides FireWire 800 (sorry, but a consumer machine doesn't need this yet)...

The Mick · Feb 4, 2003, 10:09 AM

Wasn't the $1999 17" model the best selling model of flat panel iMacs? Now they have added: 20% faster CPU, 33% faster bus, DDR memory, faster DVD burner, faster wireless networking and Bluetooth at a $200 price reduction. And people are complaining?

Eriamjh · Feb 4, 2003, 10:32 AM

Whiners. What's next, a message about people b*tching that they just bought an iMac last week and now it's cheaper?

Lebodde · Feb 4, 2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by andreas_g4:
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=144202

Seems like different opinions...

Uhhh... that was my point!

SirCastor · Feb 4, 2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
As I said in another thread...

No FireWire 800

No AirPort Extreme in low end model

No built in bluetooth capability in low end model

No DVD Burner in 15" model - This I hate the most

Not so impressive now...

There's no Airport Extreme in the 15" PB either, And bluetooth in the PowerMacs consists of the USB adapter... you can buy one for $50! honestly, these are lame complaints.
As for the Firewire 800, when the iMacs first debuted, they didn't have firewire at all. How many devices can you name on the market RIGHT NOW that use FW 800? No reason to up the cost of this CONSUMER machine when they won't be able to use it anyway.

The No DVD burner in the 15", I agree with you, it should be an option.

SirCastor · Feb 4, 2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
Whiners. What's next, a message about people b*tching that they just bought an iMac last week and now it's cheaper?

Actually Apple took care of that, they have a 10-day retroactive pricing model, so you can get new pricing on the previous hardware.

Seb G · Feb 4, 2003, 11:08 AM

What use is DDR memory with the current line of G4s, besides being more expensive than normal SDRAM?

mrchin · Feb 4, 2003, 11:22 AM

DVD burning at 4x, reads at 8x
CD-R at 16x, not 8x as mentioned by previous poster.
CD-RW at 8x
and reads CDs at 32x.

Ganesha · Feb 4, 2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Seb G:
What use is DDR memory with the current line of G4s, besides being more expensive than normal SDRAM?

Marketing, Marketing, Marketing...

"I would swtich but PC have DDR"

John123 · Feb 4, 2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
As I said in another thread...

No FireWire 800

No AirPort Extreme in low end model

No built in bluetooth capability in low end model

No DVD Burner in 15" model - This I hate the most

Not so impressive now...

Want some cheese with your whine?

Centris650 · Feb 4, 2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by The Mick:
Wasn't the $1999 17" model the best selling model of flat panel iMacs? Now they have added: 20% faster CPU, 33% faster bus, DDR memory, faster DVD burner, faster wireless networking and Bluetooth at a $200 price reduction. And people are complaining?

All I have to say is "Ditto"

mrchin · Feb 4, 2003, 03:12 PM

New Port config, including line in.

freak_in_pekin · 04:18 PM

Originally posted by The Mick:
Wasn't the $1999 17" model the best selling model of flat panel iMacs? Now they have added: 20% faster CPU, 33% faster bus, DDR memory, faster DVD burner, faster wireless networking and Bluetooth at a $200 price reduction. And people are complaining?

I agree. This is a good deal. I am quite a bit envious because I bought my 17" FP iMac in July (of course, I didn't get it until late August) for $200 more. I am not bitter, though. I still love my iMac.

I really think this is a good thing for Apple and its resellers.

NormPhillips · Feb 4, 2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by jokell82:
1- Get a PowerMac
2- Get a 17"
3- Get a 17"
4- Get a 17"

Why are you so opposed to the 17" model? It has all the features you want besides FireWire 800 (sorry, but a consumer machine doesn't need this yet)...

1 - upgradability, and also it helps promote FireWire 800 to go into more devices that both owners of pro and consumer models can use!

2 - What if you don't want to pay extra for the larger lcd?

3 - Okay, so now take up a USB port. And have people have to pay even more money if they run out of USB ports... Great, ALSO AGAIN What if you don't want to pay extra for the larger lcd?

4 - What if you don't want to pay extra for the larger lcd?

And Apple is also trying to get rid of the CRT, you can get an eMac with a SuperDrive for the same price as a low end iMac and 500 less than the high end.

hoopla2000 · Feb 4, 2003, 04:09 PM

If i-mac is supposed to be geared towards average consumers, then the cheapest price at $ 1300 up to whopping $2400 is most likely out of their budget or at least can't win over their attention paid to those cheap-ass PCs. I just can't associate imac with the price that high, no matter how capable they are. Maybe I'm whinin because I'm broke. But I wish Apple made Macs for the finacially-challenged.

PS. I can't believe Apple still pushes a product like e-mac. Apple should get over the generation old i-mac box. It's not only a has-been but with flat-panels price comin down like this, that big bulk doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

NormPhillips · Feb 4, 2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by SirCastor:
There's no Airport Extreme in the 15" PB either, And bluetooth in the PowerMacs consists of the USB adapter... you can buy one for $50! honestly, these are lame complaints.
As for the Firewire 800, when the iMacs first debuted, they didn't have firewire at all. How many devices can you name on the market RIGHT NOW that use FW 800? No reason to up the cost of this CONSUMER machine when they won't be able to use it anyway.

The No DVD burner in the 15", I agree with you, it should be an option.

1- The 15" is going to be updated soon I bet. The reason Apple held off originally probably is because of a large supply of 15" models left.

2 - Nope, look at http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html It's internal.

3 - Yeah, and the first iMacs came out before the Blue and White G3s (which were the first FireWire Macs) That still doesn't give an excuse to not have FireWire 800 on iMacs now. If anything, having FireWire 800 on the iMac WOULD help promote hardware companies to make FireWire 800 devices and consumers will be able to buy better devices. Also, upgradability. And how do you know how much it would cost to impliment a FireWire 400 as opposed to a FireWire 800 chipset?

4 - I'm glad we see eye to eye on this.

See, don't get me wrong, I love Apple. But they can be corrected on some things too.

SirCastor · Feb 4, 2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by hoopla2000:
PS. I can't believe Apple still pushes a product like e-mac. Apple should get over the generation old i-mac box. It's not only a has-been but with flat-panels price comin down like this, that big bulk doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

The eMac exists because When Apple put out the desklamp, they put schools in a bad situation. That LCD would be poked, proded, ripped off it's arm, everything. The eMac is around because schools need a hard, tough, functional machine. Education markets loved the iMac form factor, the eMac is the extension of that. Apple sells it to the public because we demanded it.

Lebodde · Feb 6, 2003, 10:25 AM

A couple more lesser known things to rejoice about:

It seems we finally have an audio input again! Saves having to buy a special adapter to be able to record from analog sources (radio, converting vinyl LPs, microphone, etc...)

I believe I read that the internal HD is now a 7200 RPM one as opposed to a 5400 in the previous model. Correct me if I'm wrong but if true, this is another free improvement.

And to all who whine about not having a mid level machine (which, in and out of itself is a valid point), the 17" 800Mhz and the 15" 800 are very much still availalble with superdrive for $1700 and $1500 respectively.

All in all, a very good annoucement indeed!

NormPhillips · Feb 6, 2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Lebodde:
A couple more lesser known things to rejoice about:

It seems we finally have an audio input again! Saves having to buy a special adapter to be able to record from analog sources (radio, converting vinyl LPs, microphone, etc...)

I believe I read that the internal HD is now a 7200 RPM one as opposed to a 5400 in the previous model. Correct me if I'm wrong but if true, this is another free improvement.

And to all who whine about not having a mid level machine (which, in and out of itself is a valid point), the 17" 800Mhz and the 15" 800 are very much still availalble with superdrive for $1700 and $1500 respectively.

All in all, a very good annoucement indeed!

It's nice there is an audio input port in the high end model now

, yet still there is no audio input port in the low end model.

Superchicken · Feb 6, 2003, 12:29 PM

Kind of a hohum update to me... I was expecting the 1Ghz iMac in July.
Oh well Moto sucks what cha gona do eh?

DDR has a few advantages... mainly that it'ss a buzz word...

Ultimately I think it's a good update not amazing, and Firewire 800 would be stupid, it'd be upping the production cost for very little benifit... and uhh the orignal firewire makers made HDs and camcorders for Firewire... there is NOTHING comming out in the very near future that needs Firewire 800!

NormPhillips · Feb 6, 2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
Kind of a hohum update to me... I was expecting the 1Ghz iMac in July.
Oh well Moto sucks what cha gona do eh?

DDR has a few advantages... mainly that it'ss a buzz word...

Ultimately I think it's a good update not amazing, and Firewire 800 would be stupid, it'd be upping the production cost for very little benifit... and uhh the orignal firewire makers made HDs and camcorders for Firewire... there is NOTHING comming out in the very near future that needs Firewire 800!

You want to make a bet?

Stuff coming out in March:

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=18208

Other stuff announced:

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=17921

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=17993

Misanthrope · Feb 6, 2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
See, don't get me wrong, I love Apple. But they can be corrected on some things too.

Really. You know more about how to run a multi-million dollar, international company than the people who actually are?

I...just...wow...

spiky_dog · Feb 6, 2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by NormPhillips:
You want to make a bet?

Stuff coming out in March:

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=18208

Other stuff announced:

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=17921

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=17993

as far as i can tell, these are all announcements for hard drives. there exist plenty of normal firewire drives, so your example hardly contradicts the statement that "there is NOTHING comming out in the very near future that needs Firewire 800!"

garetjax · Feb 6, 2003, 07:50 PM

When the high end Tibook 800 got bumped to the 1Ghz SD for around $3000 people were raving left and right about it and everybody wanted one. Now the imac gets bumped from 800 to 1Ghz along with several other upgrades with a price drop of $200 and most people are panning it. Why? The way I see it, the rate of upgrades for imacs can't exceed the the rate of upgrades for powermacs. Come to think of it, dual processor imacs in the near future? Nah, fans would be going full blast and we'd have to call it the hovermac.

Mac Zealot · Feb 7, 2003, 01:39 AM

Oh yes, one BIG feature on the new imac is it supports VIDEO OUT!

W0oT!

pliny · Feb 8, 2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by spiky_dog:
as far as i can tell, these are all announcements for hard drives. there exist plenty of normal firewire drives, so your example hardly contradicts the statement that "there is NOTHING comming out in the very near future that needs Firewire 800!"

So maybe nothing in the next month or so. What about next 3 months or 6 months or 12 months or beyond?

If you can afford it now, get the Firewire 800.