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RealMadrid · Feb 5, 2003, 07:37 AM

Would that be possible?

I think it is not supported, but I rembember back in the days of public beta there was a way of installing on unsupported machines. Is it still possible?

Don�t bother about the speed. Just have that machine at home and would like to set it up as small test webserver with apache, PHP and mySQL.

Thanks.

cocamix · Feb 5, 2003, 07:51 AM

You'd need Unsupported Utility X, now called X Post Facto.
Get it from Other World Computing's website.

Thain Esh Kelch · Feb 5, 2003, 07:52 AM

I think you should be able to do it... The limiting factor should be your ram and especially the grafix card...?

Oh.. And good luck with the speed.. Its going to be PAINFULLY slow!

RealMadrid · Feb 5, 2003, 08:04 AM

Hey, thanks for the quick answers!

I have just downloaded x Post Facto. Will try to install after work. What I have read is that possibly jaguar does no work with the 604e processor of my 8500. Will then try with 10.1

As for the ram i have around 400 MB. Think that should be enough (although I know that there is never enough).

Will post the results tomorrow.

Bye

pumpkinapo · Feb 5, 2003, 08:07 AM

I have 10.1.5 Server running on my 8500. It has a NewerTech 250MHz G3 upgrade in it. At this point it's just a web server because using it with the built in video is terribly slow.

thefamousmred · Feb 5, 2003, 10:34 AM

Jaguar will not run on 604-class CPUs. This is guaranteed, unfortunately. You're more than welcome to try it anyway, but you'd be wasting your time. 10.1.x will still run, however. You could always pick up a cheap G3 or G4 accelerator; 10.2 will run on both of those chips.

The XPostFacto author is working on 604 support, but it's not done yet. Watch their site for updates.

DrBoar · Feb 5, 2003, 10:46 AM

10.1 on a 7500/200 with a 512k L2 and 224 MB RAM was substantially slower than 10.2 on a G3/350, hardly surprisning!

I would rate it as 8.5 on a 7200/120 or so. Way better than a 6100 for example. Slow yes but not painfully slow.

booboo · Feb 5, 2003, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by RealMadrid:
Would that be possible?

I think it is not supported, but I rembember back in the days of public beta there was a way of installing on unsupported machines. Is it still possible?

Don�t bother about the speed. Just have that machine at home and would like to set it up as small test webserver with apache, PHP and mySQL.

Thanks.

I think your best bet would be to drop a G3 upgrade in there. The Sonnet G3/400 is pretty cheap and I use one in my 8500 running Jag

OK, the video performance isn't great - isn't even good, but this system excels in one particular area: stability, and providing there's enough RAM, the real performance is quite good.

:XI: · Feb 5, 2003, 03:46 PM

if you're just running a server wouldn't darwin be a much better option? (free)
that is if it runs on 604s.
but then you might just have a copy of 10.1 lying around, like i do.

schalliol · Feb 5, 2003, 05:24 PM

In case you all are looking for some history. Rhapsody was actually built for 8500s initially (not 9500s, etc.). Of course they wanted all current and future Macs to run it though.

Cipher13 · Feb 5, 2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by DrBoar:
10.1 on a 7500/200 with a 512k L2 and 224 MB RAM was substantially slower than 10.2 on a G3/350, hardly surprisning!

I would rate it as 8.5 on a 7200/120 or so. Way better than a 6100 for example. Slow yes but not painfully slow.

My G4/400 with 704MB RAM is painfully slow - that 7500 would be torture...

goldplata · Feb 6, 2003, 10:00 AM

Does an old Rage 128 from an old G3/300 work on a 8500/180 like this one. Probably this will speed up a bit this good old pice of machine?

cocamix · Feb 6, 2003, 10:33 AM

Yes. A Rage 128 from a B&W will just drop into the PCI slot and should work fine, AFAIK.

goldplata · Feb 7, 2003, 03:35 AM

Do i need special drivers, or are they instalesd on OSX? I imagine so

RealMadrid · Feb 7, 2003, 04:51 AM

Hi:

Here I go again: Finally I had some problems with the memory. My 8500 only had 64 MB so I did not atempt to do the install.

Fortunately I found an old 7300/200. I merged both and have now 112MB. And two 2GB disks. Probably I put the swap file on the second as I have heard that helps when there is a lot of pagein and pageout. But that will be a second step. I have also found a dealer that will give me another 128MB for 30$.

Right now it is installing system 9.1 in order to do the installation of 10.1. Will keep you informed of the progress.

bradoesch · Feb 8, 2003, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by goldplata:
Do i need special drivers, or are they instalesd on OSX? I imagine so

OS X has drivers built in for RAGE 128 cards.

RealMadrid · Feb 10, 2003, 02:58 AM

Hi:

It has been a hard weekend but finally it worked. I has taken me some attemts installing the system. The installer stalled 3 times and I had to start all over again untill I got a fully installed 10.0 system... that would not boot. Start in verbose mode reported some errors in disk related to scsi. I installed on another disk and it worked. Later I found out about how pesky (a xPostFacto installationg guide states) OS X is with SCSI termination. Both of the internal HD's where terminated. Even the CD drive was. After correcting that everything woked fine.

As for the speed the system is evidently slow but still useable as to install MySQL and PHP. Start up requieres some 3-4 minutes but that wont bother me as it will be a server.

All in all I'am very happy with the installation for the purpose which this system is intended for. Would never think to use it as as "Workstation".

Regards.

goldplata · Feb 10, 2003, 05:18 AM

Probably with more RAM it works better. my G3 /300 with 128 MB was unusable with Jaguar... with 640 MB it is now very usable!