[ph0ust]

if one does a re-install of the os (in order to partition the hd) does the dvd also install all the other system apps (i.e. iApps, quicken, apple works, etc.......)?

[mark9939]

It should reinstall the iApps, but I don;t know about the third party ones. Look for a CD that may have come w/ your iMac called "Applications".

[garetjax]

If you want to restore all your apps like when you first got out of the box, you have to use the restore CDs that come with your mac. The second OS 10.2 CD will install the iapps, but appleworks and others are on the restore CDs.

hope this helps.

[ph0ust]

thanks.... now i just have to wait for the thing to get delivered.

[macmad]

ph0ust - I have just been through this! I installed from the OS X DVD but noticed some components where missing - so I added them from the DMG files on the DVD.

To see all the installers for other packages on the DVD, open Terminal, type CD, a space, and drag the DVD icon from the desktop into the terminal window - something like:

% cd /Volumes/Restore\ Disk/

You need to get to the hidden .images directory:

% cd .images

Then type:

% ls -l

The files ending in DMG are disk images, things like OS9General.dmg.
To mount a disk image:

% open OS9General.dmg

In a few seconds it will be in your desktop, you can now install, etc.

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by macmad:
ph0ust - I have just been through this! I installed from the OS X DVD but noticed some components where missing - so I added them from the DMG files on the DVD.

To see all the installers for other packages on the DVD, open Terminal, type CD, a space, and drag the DVD icon from the desktop into the terminal window - something like:

% cd /Volumes/Restore\ Disk/

You need to get to the hidden .images directory:

% cd .images

Then type:

% ls -l

The files ending in DMG are disk images, things like OS9General.dmg.
To mount a disk image:

% open OS9General.dmg

In a few seconds it will be in your desktop, you can now install, etc.

does this install os 9 related components? i hadn't planned on installing os 9, as i don't need it for anything.

[Simon]

Originally posted by ph0ust:
does this install os 9 related components? i hadn't planned on installing os 9, as i don't need it for anything.

It "installs" whatever the .dmg offers. OS9General.dmg gives you an OS 9 system folder and some OS 9 utilities. There are other images that offer other apps like AppleWorks, FAXstf or the Apple DevTools. After doing a

% open blabla.dmg

you should get a Finder window which shows you the contents of the pakage. Do this with every image you find and take what you want

Strictly speaking these aren't installers. You just get a Finder Window which has the files you need to get a certain app working. The files are however put in their proper paths, i.e. if you want an app that needs something special in the /Library folder the .dmg will contain the app within a folder "Applications" and the other file within a folder "Library". So the .dmg has all the files at the locations you would find them on your root file system /

[Simon]

I just thought I might as well copy-paste my terminal window for you to get an idea what this is all about. So here goes:

Code:
[iMac_G4:~] simon% cd /Volumes/iMac\ Software/.images/
[iMac_G4:/Volumes/iMac Software/.images] simon% ls -l
total 4684256
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    48262745 Sep 11 15:32 AppleWorks.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    41467543 Oct 11 02:02 DeimosRising.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   302231712 Dec 11 16:21 DevTools.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    19864899 Aug 27  2002 FAXstf.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   215390638 Jan 19 02:39 OS9General.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   150730449 Sep  6 22:49 OttoMatic.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown  1586850877 Jan 11 20:24 iDVD1.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    32942286 Jan 17 01:08 iMacXHelp.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown      584556 Jan 11 22:40 iSyncPalmConduit.dmg
[iMac_G4:/Volumes/iMac Software/.images] simon% open AppleWorks.dmg OS9General.dmg DevTools.dmg

You can open as many .dmg files as you want. Just type their names after the open command. Type return and one by one the Finder windows with the .dmg's contents will appear. Copy the stuff to the same places that it's located at in the .dmg windows and all will work fine.

Hope that helps. If you still have questions, just ask.

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by Simon:
I just thought I might as well copy-paste my terminal window for you to get an idea what this is all about. So here goes:

Code:
[iMac_G4:~] simon% cd /Volumes/iMac\ Software/.images/
[iMac_G4:/Volumes/iMac Software/.images] simon% ls -l
total 4684256
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    48262745 Sep 11 15:32 AppleWorks.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    41467543 Oct 11 02:02 DeimosRising.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   302231712 Dec 11 16:21 DevTools.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    19864899 Aug 27  2002 FAXstf.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   215390638 Jan 19 02:39 OS9General.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   150730449 Sep  6 22:49 OttoMatic.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown  1586850877 Jan 11 20:24 iDVD1.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    32942286 Jan 17 01:08 iMacXHelp.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown      584556 Jan 11 22:40 iSyncPalmConduit.dmg
[iMac_G4:/Volumes/iMac Software/.images] simon% open AppleWorks.dmg OS9General.dmg DevTools.dmg

You can open as many .dmg files as you want. Just type their names after the open command. Type return and one by one the Finder windows with the .dmg's contents will appear. Copy the stuff to the same places that it's located at in the .dmg windows and all will work fine.

Hope that helps. If you still have questions, just ask.

thanks. imac should be here on tuesday, so we will see how it goes...

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by Simon:
I just thought I might as well copy-paste my terminal window for you to get an idea what this is all about. So here goes:

Code:
[iMac_G4:~] simon% cd /Volumes/iMac\ Software/.images/
[iMac_G4:/Volumes/iMac Software/.images] simon% ls -l
total 4684256
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    48262745 Sep 11 15:32 AppleWorks.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    41467543 Oct 11 02:02 DeimosRising.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   302231712 Dec 11 16:21 DevTools.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    19864899 Aug 27  2002 FAXstf.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   215390638 Jan 19 02:39 OS9General.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown   150730449 Sep  6 22:49 OttoMatic.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown  1586850877 Jan 11 20:24 iDVD1.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown    32942286 Jan 17 01:08 iMacXHelp.dmg
-rw-rw-r--  1 simon  unknown      584556 Jan 11 22:40 iSyncPalmConduit.dmg
[iMac_G4:/Volumes/iMac Software/.images] simon% open AppleWorks.dmg OS9General.dmg DevTools.dmg

You can open as many .dmg files as you want. Just type their names after the open command. Type return and one by one the Finder windows with the .dmg's contents will appear. Copy the stuff to the same places that it's located at in the .dmg windows and all will work fine.

Hope that helps. If you still have questions, just ask.

back again. got the mac today. set it up and so far so good.. *except* for reinstalling the apps that don't make it with the os- idvd, quicken, faxstf, sound studio and a few others.

i followed your instructions, but when i open them i get a funky new icon that holds the files for the app (e.g. idvd) on the desktop/main finder window; which basically will let me run the app but only from that folder (knida looks like a little external drive icon). how do you get it to just install things normally? a normal old .exe would be pretty convenient about now.

when i try and open the idvd.pkg from the receipts folder it tells me that it is not allowed because it is a receipt.

any help is appreciated. thanks.

[echosphere]

Depending on the disc

Install using CUSTOM install. Or the Applications CD.

Restore on some Discs

[echosphere]

Actually, I bought my iMac when it came with 10.1.5 and did the exact same thing you want to do. Reinstall with partitions.

Let me know if this still works with the Jaguar discs.

Apple Software Restore: How to Install Reinstall Parts Without Erasing the Hard Disk
Article ID:
Created:
Modified: 106451
9/6/01
3/1/02
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TOPIC


There is no custom installation option when using the Apple Software Restore multiple disc restoration set included with some computers .
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DISCUSSION


The Apple Software Restore multiple disc restoration set included with some computers does not offer an option to reinstall individual application programs like iTunes or iMovie. When you use Apple Software Restore it will first erase the hard disk, and then restore all the software as it was when the computer was first purchased.

If you inadvertently delete application programs such as iTunes or iMovie from the hard disk, you can follow the steps in the this document to reinstall them without erasing the hard disk.

Important: Before performing any steps with CD-ROM discs included with your computer, be sure to distinguish the discs labeled Install and Restore from one another. They are significantly different.

First, go to the Apple Software Downloads Web site (http://www.apple.com/swupdates/) and check to see if a the same version or a newer version of the software is available. Downloading the software can be the easiest route to reinstalling it without erasing the hard disk.

Second, if the deleted items are part of Mac OS 9 or Mac OS X system software, use the appropriate System Software Install CD to reinstall the missing software. Unlike the Restore discs, the Install discs do offer custom installation.

Third, if you need an item that is only available from the Restore CD set, you may install it without erasing the hard disk by following these steps:

1. Make sure there is approximately 2 GB of free hard disk space on your computer.

2. Make a new folder.

3. Insert the Software Restore discs one by one and copy the disk image (.dmg) files in the Configurations folder from each disc to the folder you created on the hard disk. There may be up to five images depending on the restore set.

4. Open the Disk Copy application program.

5. Drag the first .dmg file from the folder you created to the Disk Copy window. The disk image appears as a hard disk on the desktop. This disk image volume contains all the software that your computer did when it was first purchased.

6. Open the disk image volume and locate the software you want to reinstall.

7. Copy the software from the disk image volume to the hard disk.

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by echosphere:
<snip>

well, it seems that the new versions of the imac are coming with a single dvd with the os and apps on it, so there is not really an "aplications restore" cd... just a dvd with a hidden images directory as simon pointed out.

i can get to that directory and open the necessary .dmg files, but that doesn't seem to install the apps in a normal format- i get the little disk icon with the app name, but it does not install the app into the applications directory on my hard drive and thus it only runs from the disk icon on my desktop.

why in the world would installing your applications be this cumbersome?!?! it's on the dvd, so why can't i just choose what i want installed... this seems to have been really well thought out.

i am sure that many an experienced mac user would consider this simple... please help a switcher

[ph0ust]

ok. someone please let me know if this is right:

1. open the images directory in the terminal
2. open the desired .dmg files (these create disk icons with the application folders in them on the desktop)
3. open up the disk icon and drag the application folder onto the desktop
4. either drag the folder, or the application file, into the applications directory (and also the dock if i want it there)
5. drag the dick icon for the application .dmg into the trash

i assume that i would only drag the entire application folder onto my hardrive if i wanted to maintain any other ancillary files like documentation and such.

this seems like it is *a* way of restoring the apps i want from my os x dvd. i noticed that when i installed safari it was essentially working the same way. please let me know if what i am doing is wrong or stupid in some way (no sarcasm needed)

[Simon]

Originally posted by ph0ust:
ok. someone please let me know if this is right:

1. open the images directory in the terminal
2. open the desired .dmg files (these create disk icons with the application folders in them on the desktop)
3. open up the disk icon and drag the application folder onto the desktop
4. either drag the folder, or the application file, into the applications directory (and also the dock if i want it there)
5. drag the dick icon for the application .dmg into the trash

i assume that i would only drag the entire application folder onto my hardrive if i wanted to maintain any other ancillary files like documentation and such.

this seems like it is *a* way of restoring the apps i want from my os x dvd. i noticed that when i installed safari it was essentially working the same way. please let me know if what i am doing is wrong or stupid in some way (no sarcasm needed)

Man, cool down. Eveything is fine. The way you are doing it is right. Go back up and you will find a post of mine where I describe where and how you copy the stuff from the disk image to your disk:

Strictly speaking these aren't installers. You just get a Finder Window which has the files you need to get a certain app working. The files are however put in their proper paths, i.e. if you want an app that needs something special in the /Library folder the .dmg will contain the app within a folder "Applications" and the other file within a folder "Library". So the .dmg has all the files at the locations you would find them on your root file system /

So according to how you find things on the disk image you copy them to your HD. It's that simple.

BTW, this is actually much easier than the installer you asked for. The installer does things without asking you and puts stuff at locations you don't know. This is just a simple drag 'n drop process. Copy the app to your disk and run it. That's all. There is no easier way.

[echosphere]

BTW, congats on your new iMac. Is this your first Mac? Best of luck.

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by Simon:
Man, cool down. Eveything is fine. The way you are doing it is right. Go back up and you will find a post of mine where I describe where and how you copy the stuff from the disk image to your disk:



So according to how you find things on the disk image you copy them to your HD. It's that simple.

BTW, this is actually much easier than the installer you asked for. The installer does things without asking you and puts stuff at locations you don't know. This is just a simple drag 'n drop process. Copy the app to your disk and run it. That's all. There is no easier way.

ugh, i know. it's just frustrating... going from windows power user to mac moron is tough. time will tell, but a lack of documentation makes me curious as to whether this is a better installation procedure. i see some of your points, but still...

i have a question though: you mention that if you want things in the "library" then put them there. what do you mean (i.e. can you give an example)? i noticed that if i wanted to keep the documentation i would just move the whole app folder to my applications directory in order to retain files other than just the app itself. in a few instances i had to keep a file in the same directory as the app in order for it to work.

oh yea, one more question: if i want to unistall and app (like internet explorer) completely from my mac, do i just drag the app into the trash? i noticed that a few other people said you had to find some other random files/folders and throw them in the trash as well.

hey echosphere, yea this is my first mac. i like it a lot outside of the initial frustrations. i am sure that some reading and a lot of use will reduce those though. we shall see how it goes- i am sick if ms products so i am really eager to move away from wintel (although i will miss the power until apple can get its act together). this is the trial run for me to get a good part of my company to switch platforms (software company). x11 lends to the cause greatly.

btw, thank you both for your help!

[Simon]

Originally posted by ph0ust:
ugh, i know. it's just frustrating... going from windows power user to mac moron is tough.

Yeah. I can imagine. Just be patient. The learning curve on a Mac is very flat. You'll be there in no time.

time will tell, but a lack of documentation makes me curious as to whether this is a better installation procedure. i see some of your points, but still...

Well actually, we are not talking about an "official" and documented solution. This is just a "quick and dirty" way to get stuff going without the full re-install. If you are a newbie and you really rely on documentation, you should go with the full software restore Apple offers.

i have a question though: you mention that if you want things in the "library" then put them there. what do you mean (i.e. can you give an example)? i noticed that if i wanted to keep the documentation i would just move the whole app folder to my applications directory in order to retain files other than just the app itself. in a few instances i had to keep a file in the same directory as the app in order for it to work.

The way stuff is organized on the disk image is the way it should be copied to your disk. Let's say there is an app called XYZ and for it to work the file XYZ-extension has to be installed in the library. The disk image will therefore show you two folders: one will be called "Applications" and the other "Library". You will find XYZ in "Applications" and XYZ-extension in "Library". This means that you have to put XYZ into the folder /Applications and XYZ-extension in /Library for the app to work properly. The way stuff is organized on the disk image is to show you where to copy it to on your hard disk. If you need more examples just tell me.

oh yea, one more question: if i want to unistall and app (like internet explorer) completely from my mac, do i just drag the app into the trash? i noticed that a few other people said you had to find some other random files/folders and throw them in the trash as well.

Well pulling an app to the trash actually is all you have to do to "de-install" it. You can however delete cache files or preference files in ~/Library to gain additional disk space or just to keep everything cleaned up.

The exception are apps that are installed by an installer. These installers could put stuff at other locations than just those you'd expect. Some of these installers write log files, and some tell you in the readme where they put stuff, and others have an un-install option. Basically, most good OS X programs shouldn't need installers and are installed/un-installed by simply dragging the app to or from the disk.

[ph0ust]

Originally posted by Simon:


Yeah. I can imagine. Just be patient. The learning curve on a Mac is very flat. You'll be there in no time.



Well actually, we are not talking about an "official" and documented solution. This is just a "quick and dirty" way to get stuff going without the full re-install. If you are a newbie and you really rely on documentation, you should go with the full software restore Apple offers.



The way stuff is organized on the disk image is the way it should be copied to your disk. Let's say there is an app called XYZ and for it to work the file XYZ-extension has to be installed in the library. The disk image will therefore show you two folders: one will be called "Applications" and the other "Library". You will find XYZ in "Applications" and XYZ-extension in "Library". This means that you have to put XYZ into the folder /Applications and XYZ-extension in /Library for the app to work properly. The way stuff is organized on the disk image is to show you where to copy it to on your hard disk. If you need more examples just tell me.



Well pulling an app to the trash actually is all you have to do to "de-install" it. You can however delete cache files or preference files in ~/Library to gain additional disk space or just to keep everything cleaned up.

The exception are apps that are installed by an installer. These installers could put stuff at other locations than just those you'd expect. Some of these installers write log files, and some tell you in the readme where they put stuff, and others have an un-install option. Basically, most good OS X programs shouldn't need installers and are installed/un-installed by simply dragging the app to or from the disk. [/B]

thanks for the info about installing the apps in their respective directories (i.e. applications folder and library folder). that clarifies things a great deal! make a lot of sense now.

regarding uninstall, i think i got it. the only issue is being aware of all the places there may be ancillary files like preferences or cache.

i appreciate the help.

[Simon]

Originally posted by ph0ust:
regarding uninstall, i think i got it. the only issue is being aware of all the places there may be ancillary files like preferences or cache.

i appreciate the help.

No problem, that's what these forums are for.

I understand that it's not easy to know where all this stuff could be. Believe me, a lot of it is plain and simple experience. Once you've worked a couple of months with a Mac and have installed and un-installed dozens of apps, you'll get a feeling for where the baloney is stored. One thing you could do however is just wander through the file system and check what kind of files and directories are around. Good places for you to start are ~/Library and /Library as well as /System. Stroll through the folders and look at their sub-folders. The library has a lot of sub-folders and many of them have quite descriptive names like ~/Library/Caches.

Another tip: Get Omni Disk Sweeper to get an idea what files use how much space on your disk. It's a very simple app, but it's nice to detect large and/or useless files sitting around that you otherwise might have overseen.

And if you come upon strange files search for an explanation of what they're for either with google or on this board. Chances are good people can tell you what the thing is and if you need it or not.

Keep in mind however, that even though Mac OS X as a Unix system consists of thousands of small files with cryptic names the files the users actually have to deal with are not very many and often their purpose can be understood from their name and/or their path already. The system is rather transparent and debuggable compared to a Win registry for example.

Good luck!