[thurstonwhore]

hi, i got my 1.42 yesterday and I've had nothing but problems so far. i would have called Apple today but they're not open in Canada this early on a Saturday i guess. So, immediately yesterday upon first boot the computer kernal panic as soon as the desktop showed up. rebooted same thing. so we decided to give it a fresh OS install. everything went fine until after all the registration and then boom, kernal panic/hard freeze, where whole thing just locked right up. So this morning i booted off the hardware test disk and immediately it said invalid memory check, so i pulled the non-stock Ram stick out, ran the test again. same result. So we pulled the stock Ram out and put back in the non-apple Ram and finally the hardware test cd booted. So all this is leading me to believe that I have bad RAM right? i hope so because the computer seemed very very unstable up until i pulled out the RAM. Anybody else have any problems like this? any help here would be awsome.

[chris v]

Sounds like the RAM to me. You've already done what I would have told you to do.

Hope it works out!

CV

[Green Leaf]

Maybe the problem is that you spent $4,000 on a computer. You obviously don't know the value of money if you blow that much cash on a 'computer;.

You should have saved the money for your child's college tuition.

[JB72]

Originally posted by Green Leaf:
Maybe the problem is that you spent $4,000 on a computer. You obviously don't know the value of money if you blow that much cash on a 'computer;.

You should have saved the money for your child's college tuition.

I'm sorry to hear about your two dad's.

[chris v]

Originally posted by JB72:
I'm sorry to hear about your two dad's.

Do not feed the greenleaf. It only encourages them.

CV

[CheesePuff]

Originally posted by Green Leaf:
Maybe the problem is that you spent $4,000 on a computer. You obviously don't know the value of money if you blow that much cash on a 'computer;.

You should have saved the money for your child's college tuition.

Not trying to feed Green Leaf, but the top of the line Power Mac G4 Dual 1.42 GHz costs $2,699.00.

[Rodster]

And did it ever occur that the man could be using it for a business so as to make money and thereby send his kids to college? I've found that those who own Macs usually are self-employed, creative, productive, and are very skilled individuals.

There's no need for rude comments like that on any forum.

[JB72]

Originally posted by chris v:
Do not feed the greenleaf. It only encourages them.

You're right.

Anyway, The MDDs are notoriously RAM fastidious. There are a few threads around here reporting similar problems. Good luck, and let us know about your progress.

[thurstonwhore]

my conclusion is that this computer is completely defective and will have to be sent back for sure, which is really a shame becuz i was so excited to get it. I don;t know what other tests i can run to narrow the problem down enough for me. it seems that it might be a combination of problems. The apple stock ram is defintely bad, when i boot off the hardware test cd the firmware screen loads and says "invalid memory". but, it doesnt seem to crash with JUST that memory installed. I did get another 512 stick of ram but i'm not sure who makes it, its RED and says KTI on it. kingston maybe? but that ram (red) loads the hardware test cd but crashes constantly when installed. so i dunno maybe all my RAM is bad. And thats not where the problems end, I can't see any of my LAN computers in ichat, sometimes they can see the 1.42 but the 1.42 never see's them and no messages go through. So I hope they send me a completely new one because this one is defintely tainted for me now...lol

[thurstonwhore]

a few minutes ago i was scrolling up in safari and that caused the computer to completely freeze solid, no kernal panic, nothing, just solid desktop. My buddy thinks this may be a bad processor now? anyone confirm?thanx again

[Rodster]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
a few minutes ago i was scrolling up in safari and that caused the computer to completely freeze solid, no kernal panic, nothing, just solid desktop. My buddy thinks this may be a bad processor now? anyone confirm?thanx again

Sorry to hear your new machine is having so much trouble. It sounds like either a bad motherboard or power supply (+/- 5V Rail).

Did you buy it directly from Apple? If you did they will send you another new machine.

[SalBaker]

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
Not trying to feed Green Leaf, but the top of the line Power Mac G4 Dual 1.42 GHz costs $2,699.00.

In another thread Green Leaf said it took 4 months for the 1.42 Ghz Macs to ship. Is there a trend here?

[thurstonwhore]

it wasnt bought through apple, i got it through my university so i'll most likely bring it back to them monday. I've already boxed it up. I hope this isnt a trend because i've now heard a few more reports with this exact problem. i love apple but paying $6000 for this system and now all this hassle. This is for sure the last mac i hopefully ever have to buy.

[Rodster]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
it wasnt bought through apple, i got it through my university so i'll most likely bring it back to them monday. I've already boxed it up. I hope this isnt a trend because i've now heard a few more reports with this exact problem. i love apple but paying $6000 for this system and now all this hassle. This is for sure the last mac i hopefully ever have to buy.

Are the Power Macs reliable? I'm starting to read post on this forum that suggest the Power Macs might be problematic i.e. various hardware problems.

I was ready to buy the dual 1.25 Power Mac but now I'm not so sure.

[michaelb]

Originally posted by Rodster:
Are the Power Macs reliable? I'm starting to read post on this forum that suggest the Power Macs might be problematic i.e. various hardware problems.

I was ready to buy the dual 1.25 Power Mac but now I'm not so sure.

I've recently bought a dual 1.25 and it was perfect out of the box. Worked just fine with the Kingston 512 MB RAM chips I moved into it from my PC.

And this is in Australia, where they ship all the crap to.

It's the nature of these forums - small isolated problems take on a large reputation. Sounds to me like Apple got a bad batch of memory that's seen a handful of users get machines that are cactus.

Actually, If you're looking a getting a reliable PowerMac within the next six months, this MDD generation is probably the one to get. They've fixed the fan noise issue, patched Firmware to fix outstanding issues, and rounded up the OS X glitches.

The speed is decent and value for money is good. (And I build my own PCs, so I do know how to get a cheap machine.)

Even the 970 generation (six months?) that everyone's waiting for before opening their wallets is likely to have a few first generation "issues" to be sorted out.

[thurstonwhore]

I'm not fully convinced that my problem is RAM related. I guess i just really don't know what glaring issues would point towards RAM because i would love not to send the computer back if I knew it was just RAM. but it doesnt seem to matter which stick I use or what slot it goes into. does RAM affect the ethernet port? because my internet went away a few times yesterday as well, and i had to call my ISP for them to release the IP, when i manually released the IP it showed that it released, but still left something around which wouldnt fully release it, and i know my network at home pretty well to know when something is beyond my control.

[JB72]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
I'm not fully convinced that my problem is RAM related.

Yeh return that guy asap. You just got really unlucky.

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by michaelb:
Actually, If you're looking a getting a reliable PowerMac within the next six months, this MDD generation is probably the one to get. They've fixed the fan noise issue, patched Firmware to fix outstanding issues, and rounded up the OS X glitches.

I was looking to get a new one sometime after May or June (I was about to say the Summer, but that doesn't apply in Oz! ) I'm just disappointed that the bottom-end isn't a Dual. It makes such a difference in OS X.

[you_are_right]

Originally posted by Rodster:
Are the Power Macs reliable? I'm starting to read post on this forum that suggest the Power Macs might be problematic i.e. various hardware problems.

I was ready to buy the dual 1.25 Power Mac but now I'm not so sure.

I have a new dp 1.25 and had problems with wake up from sleep (kernel panics or strangely behaving applications).

The cause have been 2 bad ram chips, one of them did not pass the large hardware test, the other passed the test, but i could figure, it caused the trouble.

Now i have the original chip plus 2 kensington modules (each with 512 MB) inside.

Since that everything is perfect..........now for 2 weeks already.

I guess the main problems are caused by the ram, seems like the dp pm´s with ddr ram are very picky.

[Athens]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
hi, i got my 1.42 yesterday and I've had nothing but problems so far. i would have called Apple today but they're not open in Canada this early on a Saturday i guess. So, immediately yesterday upon first boot the computer kernal panic as soon as the desktop showed up. rebooted same thing. so we decided to give it a fresh OS install. everything went fine until after all the registration and then boom, kernal panic/hard freeze, where whole thing just locked right up. So this morning i booted off the hardware test disk and immediately it said invalid memory check, so i pulled the non-stock Ram stick out, ran the test again. same result. So we pulled the stock Ram out and put back in the non-apple Ram and finally the hardware test cd booted. So all this is leading me to believe that I have bad RAM right? i hope so because the computer seemed very very unstable up until i pulled out the RAM. Anybody else have any problems like this? any help here would be awsome.

I would replace the ram, second if that dosent work check all cables to make sure there plugged in right. ALSO a power problem can cause panics, make sure you have stable power running to the computer. Its never a bad idea to invest in a UPS, besides protecting your mac from a power outage, it will also take the damage from a serge and provide clean steady power to a computer.

[keston]

Got a brand spanking new dual-1.25Ghz g4, 1.25Gigs of RAM to keep numbers simple, and soon 280GB of storage, super-drive, etc etc...

been having some problems though, either bad ram or 10.2.4 update is fubared... either way i've been feeling like i am using OS9 lately. kernel panics (both the nice ones and the nasty black terminal ones). In the black terminal kinds, I can see something at the botton that says "memory exception error"... not sure if that means RAM.

So if it IS the memory, does that mean the RAM is actually BAD, or the G4 is picky? Because the store I bought it at has a 7 day exchange (no refund policy), so I am wondering do I just get it exchanged or what?

[Athens]

memory exception error usally is a sign of bad ram, bad software can crash too but OS X has protected memory so it shouldnt bring down the system. I would have them replace the ram.

[thurstonwhore]

here's a quick update.
I've been running the computer for 2 days now with just the apple ram (samsung). my third party ram is either kingston or kensngton (color is red), and its been out of the system since saturday morning and i havent had anything weird happen yet and i've been pushing this computer by running every single tes that i can, i even launched almost every single launchable file at once, no prblems what-so-ever. the only nagging problem is that when i run the hardware test cd with just the apple ram i still get that "memory exception" error. Spoke with apple again today and they authorized me to take it to my closest mac dealer for them to run a diagnostic on. Which is good because i so badly didnt want to send this beast back so soon.

[you_are_right]

i mean kingston ram of course.

i guess it is likely, that the ram modules not running in the new dp pm will run in a pc or else.

Could be, that the dp pm´s with ddr ram do only allow very narrow tolerance margins with the ram modules used.......maybe coming from pushing the g4´s to their limits (or even beyond) in terms of clock frequency.

Just a guess.

[keston]

I exchanged the RAM today. (the brand of RAM it was, and still is, is Infineon btw).

So now I have two new sticks in there. I got home, installed the RAM. Played WC3 for a while... then after a longer than usual period (had my hopes up), WC3 crashed but didnt bring down the system. However a while after wards, while in the system prefs it kernel panicked again (the black terminal one).."Memory Access Exception"...

This is all going on a fresh install of 10.2.3 from the restore CD. I installed the developer tools.

So do you guys still think its the RAM even after i swaped it, or could my G4 be problematic?

[Eugene Fields]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
hi, i got my 1.42 yesterday and I've had nothing but problems so far. Anybody else have any problems like this? any help here would be awsome.

I just took delivery of my FW800 1.42 and it was as quiet as a Whisper then after about 20-30 mins this ticking started, then repeadly tickiing Ive heard it described as a Diesel well that about sums it up. Mine was intermittent.

IT started to annoy me quickly.. I was in love with the unit at first Dead Silent..



The Fix Apple is offering is not working as the problem is in the Core of the fan, as far as IMy experience.. So the new Fans Rattle like the old ones they could be better Fans yes but the issue with the diesel noise is this Rattle that cylcles.. They have sent me Replacement Im hopein it will be solved.


These are SWEET Machines - Fast Quiet Capable.. No reason to wait for the next level (970)..till thats SOLID will be way over a year. The G4 I.42 I have is the at the top of its game, with all the current software here now for it. Im in heaven. it rips through your Tasks in the Finder. Clean Kool - Happy Camper Here I added 1.5 Gbs ram and a Memorex 52X Burner .. stable as a Stone

Oh By the way updated throught Software update without a hickup No Problems at all

[thurstonwhore]

defintely your RAM, all my problems were solved last night when i spoke with Apple again and they told me that the version of the Hardware test cd should be 2.0.1 instead of 2.0 , they'll send me a new one in a few weeks. Those unexplainable crashes were happening for me too, but when i pulled out my third party RAM i havent had a crash since Saturday and i've been trying desperately to crash it!!! So, if you boot off the Hardware Test cd and you get an error "invalid memory access", don't fret, something wrong with that version and the 1.42's. )))))))

ps- this machine is so fast it puts my 15" 1gb powerbook to shame. lol.

[Eugene Fields]

Originally posted by Eugene Fields:
I just took delivery of my FW800 1.42 and it was as quiet as a Whisper then after about 20-30 mins this ticking started, then repeadly tickiing Ive heard it described as a Diesel well that about sums it up. Mine is staedy to intermittent.

IT started to annoy me quickly.. I was in love with the unit at first Dead Silent..

Apple Is replacing the Fan so that should take care of it


These are SWEET Machines - Fast Quiet Capable.. No reason to wait for the next level (970)..till thats SOLID will be way over a year. The G4 I.42 I have is the at the top of its game, with all the current software here now for it. Im in heaven. it rips through your Tasks in the Finder. Clean Kool - Happy Camper Here I added 1.5 Gbs ram and a Memorex 52X Burner .. stable as a Stone

Oh By the way updated throught Software update without a hickup No Problems at all

The noise is the Fan ITSELF!!

Its in the Core off the Large 120 mm lower fan.

I called Apple about the Diesel noise They sent me a New Fan. I transferred the new Fan in with the Shiny Metal Cage from the old Fan. All seemed fine then in 20 minutes or so the noise was back maybe worse than before! I was devastated I opened the Case, everything was tight, all seemed well, I Inspected the Chrome guard and It was Barely attached! It seems in the heated interior the Rubber Connectors that Hold on the Shiny Metal Guard get soft and pliable and the air and Vibration loosen the Guard. When the machine cools the rubber tightens up so when a tech looks in a cool machine alll seems well. Look In A HOT Machine and Inpsect the Shiny metal Fan Guard you can pull it off easily when its WARM.

So I removed the Shiny Meatal Guard, as it was not included on the Apple relacement Part. I had NO RATTLE fro a while. What I found makes sense with the symptoms I was having as the Noise would only Start ocurring after the inside of the Machine got warm and the Fan kicks into medium speed thats were the noise is. (about 20 mins) and then when cool No syptoms where there. I had probaly cooled it off having it open so it was silent on low speed. As soon as medium speed starts so does the dieseling.. ... .. ..

Its been Hours now and I have been hearing my old Steady diesel clanking, so its Not that Guard.

Tomorrow I will call AppleCare with the news. The Noise emniates the Fan Core Itself!!!

[Matthew Davidso]

We've taken deliever of several 1.42GHz and they all exhibited the same problems.

These all came with additional RAM installed by MacWarehouse.

The RAM is fine - under certain circumstances. The 1.42s are very picky about DDR RAM and how picky they are depends on HOW HOT THEY ARE. You'll get more failures if the machine is hot. More RAM, more heat.

So, diagnosing the problem is not very linear if you disregard temp.

Our company buys a lot of Macs and a 'bad' Mac is exceptionally rare. if you you experience panics under OS X, or can't complete software update, then your RAM is the prime suspect.

FWIW, RAM from RamJet seems to work very well. They're nice folk, too.

[Eugene Fields]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eugene Fields:
[B]I was Close But the real noise was the Fan ITSELF!!

THE DIESEL NOISE SOURCE is in the Core of the Fan the rattle defintly eminates from the Core off the Large 120 mm lower fan.

I called Apple about the Diesel noise They sent me a New Fan. I transferred the new Fan in with the Shiny Metal Cage from the old Fan. All seemed fine then in 20 minutes or so the noise was back maybe worse than before! I was devastated I opened the Case, everything was tight, all seemed well, I Inspected the Chrome guard and It was Barely attached! It seems in the heated interior the Rubber Connectors that Hold on the Shiny Metal Guard get soft and pliable and the air and Vibration loosen the Guard. When the machine cools the rubber tightens up so when a tech looks in a cool machine alll seems well. Look In A HOT Machine and Inpsect the Shiny metal Fan Guard you can pull it off easily when its WARM.

The Noise would only Start ocurring after the inside of the Machine got warm (about 20 mins) and then when cool No syptoms where there.

Next day after inside heated up again I guess and that speed again started The noise was in full effect , So nothing I had done has effected the Noise I was premature in both instances thinking I had solved it

Tomorrow I will call AppleCare to get yet another Fan replacement!!!

Yes Sob It was not to last. Noise Came back same as ever. I called AppleCare, they sent replacement, and I called Applecare again they sent another replacement, and I called Applcare yet again and I hope against all logic that this will be a quiet one.

Im on Fan replacement 3. Last replacement was WORST noise yet . There are users posting at Apple Forums that they have Perfect 1.42's and No Noise. So i know there are a few good Fans. I hope I get one. Maybe this next one 3X a charm? Ill let you know. So I've reistalled fan '2' as it is the Quietest One yet Sheesh. The noise is most definitley from the center of the 120mm Fan internal ticking at medium speed. Fan is Very snug in mounts its not a Vibration or mount problem, its an internal defect in some 120 Delta's I guess its a bad Lot as i have recieved numerous Bad Fans ouch!

Next they expect me to walk it in to service? YES, 100 miles away to get ANOTHER new Fan, they won't have. They'll most assuredly need to order.. so 4 trips/400 miles and same result could ensue? Don't think im to excited to run it over there But I may have to! HELP!! What should I do?

[Eugene Fields]

Im Hopeing the next fan is a winner

[Tiffany Mac]

So what's your conclusion ThurstonWhore? Why was your computer freezing? Bad ram? Bad processor?

[Mac Zealot]

My G4 was kernel panicking regularly after 3 days.

When they replaced the cinema display for backlight problems and hoards of dead pixels it stopped happening.

I am still amazed.

[Eugene Fields]

Im working on Fan replacement 3. Last replacement was WORST noise yet . There are users posting at Apple Forums that they have Perfect 1.42's and No Noise. So i know there are a few good Fans. I hope I get one. Maybe this next one 3X a charm? Ill let you know. So far I've re installed fan '2' as it is the Quietest One yet Sheesh.

After careful scrutiny the noise most assuradley emanates from the Core of the 120MM Delta. The mount is not a problem it is tight with No play. All noise emanates from inside the armature. Plain Defect. There No issue Whatsoever till the machine heats to a working temperature, about 20 min. at that time the 120MM Delta kicks into speed 2 and the 'dieseling' begins, and won't stop all day unless I put it o sleep or the Windows open and its cold enough to keep the fan at speed position one. So thats the saga of the Diesel noise. Other than this really rather small but annoying defect the Box is PERFECT, well engineered and reeks of Quality. The Diesel noise is totally Out of Character' and is really the ONLY flaw in an otherwise Super Joyous Experience. This machine ROCKS or will really rock when the clicking stops. I don't mind the Fans normal Hum or the Drive noise, thats all music to my ears... its this diesel clicking thats totally weird. When I held the Phone up for Apple Care they Concurred, so no fear nobody expects us to live with it this way. So Im sure it will be resolved.. The Sooner The Better LOL

Im praying I get a good one next as they expect insane measures from me if its not good. Seems if its not good I'm suspect!! And they need one of their Repair Techs to see that they can fix it. Oh Brother. I do hope next one works or i'm screwed.

Next they expect me to walk it in to service? YES, 100 miles away to get ANOTHER new Delta Fan, they Won't have. They'll most Assuredly Need To Order.. so 4 trips/400 miles and same result could ensue? Don't think I'm to excited to run it over there But I may have to! HELP!! What should I do? Even if I set it up for them to have the part BEFORE I journey out there, why go through all this for a defective part? Its like they want to check up on ME I figure they should send me Fans, till I get a good One. But I understand, they have to cover themselves. But I am a Mac Tech so Oh well.. It seems extremely small minded to be putting me out at all. They should keep sending me the part till its right.!! _

[JB72]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
Those unexplainable crashes were happening for me too, but when i pulled out my third party RAM i havent had a crash since Saturday and i've been trying desperately to crash it!!!

W00t!

I'm glad to see another happy MDD user. They are really nice once the kinks are worked out. Mine has been solid as a rock once I popped in some Crucial. Now I'm free to really start obsessing on the noise.

Eugene

I'm sorry to hear about your fan problems. I'd make absolutely certain that the 120mm fan is reponsible for the racket. If it is in fact the case, one option would be to investigate possibly picking up a fan yourself. I would suggest a Panaflo, assuming you did the legwork to make sure the one you chose put out the same amount of air. Of course this is a last resort as I'm pretty sure it would void your warranty. I'd also consider sending her back to the place of purchase again, although it sounds like a real pain. Best of luck.

To everyone else having problems, I am sorry. Please do hang in there. I was on the verge of throwing my MDD out the window, but I'm really loving it now. My advice would be not to spend too much time hoping for a software (OS) fix. Rule out the obvious, do a clean install or whatever you need to do, but focus on checking RAM configs ASAP. It seems to be the culprit in an overwhelming number of MDD crimes; such as panicing.

Best of luck to all. And do hang in there like that kitty on the inspirational poster.

[Eugene Fields]

Originally posted by JB72:
W00t!

I'm glad to see another happy MDD user. They are really nice once the kinks are worked out. Mine has been solid as a rock once I popped in some Crucial. Now I'm free to really start obsessing on the noise.

Eugene

I'm sorry to hear about your fan problems. I'd make absolutely certain that the 120mm fan is reponsible for the racket. If it is in fact the case, one option would be to investigate possibly picking up a fan yourself. I would suggest a Panaflo, assuming you did the legwork to make sure the one you chose put out the same amount of air. Of course this is a last resort as I'm pretty sure it would void your warranty. I'd also consider sending her back to the place of purchase again, although it sounds like a real pain. Best of luck.

To everyone else having problems, I am sorry. Please do hang in there. I was on the verge of throwing my MDD out the window, but I'm really loving it now. My advice would be not to spend too much time hoping for a software (OS) fix. Rule out the obvious, do a clean install or whatever you need to do, but focus on checking RAM configs ASAP. It seems to be the culprit in an overwhelming number of MDD crimes; such as panicing.

Best of luck to all. And do hang in there like that kitty on the inspirational poster.

A new development is an accelerated noise when the Fan goes to speed 3, Its getting progressively worse it wavers in and out of noise getting verry bad before reverting to slower speed with its usual clanking. So Now many types of Diesel noise of many varied pitches, to contend with. The heartbreaking thing is that in between speed changes and at odd moments the core of the Fan is Blissfully SILENT..so you are always teased, see it could be like this, silence, now here we GO sob.

Or you could also say COOL this is how it sounds when its fixed! and Ill tell ya thats Not Bad At ALL! I must say that sparing the Clanking Apple HAS Done a MASTERFUL Job of making these machines a joy to use. If it wasn't for the Diesel, which I feel is a defective Lot of Parts, then the machine is wonderfully SILENT for a machine of this magnitude! So I look forward to a speedy recovery If it wasn't for that knocking,clanking,The machine is exemplary. I can't wait till its right I must say I view this as a minor problem with One part and the rest is Above reproach, so Im verry happy with my purchase and would easily recommend this unit anyone. I feel this will be corrected and after that I see No Issues with the 1.42 Indeed this is not really an Issue, its just a bad lot of parts its only ONE Part so whats the big deal ! They will fix the One Bleeding Part and then its perfect Fast Stable as a Rock. Thank God tomorrow is Monday and a new Part from Apple will arrive. I hope I Hope.. So thats the saga of the Diesel noise.

[keston]

re: Update to my Dual 1.25 probs

I exchanged the RAM and the same kernel panics have been occuring. I removed the RAM for 3 days, and I have been getting the same kernel panics with just the stock 256MB . So I think i will have to take it in for service, could be the machine.

[Eugene Fields]

Originally posted by thurstonwhore:
hi, i got my 1.42 yesterday and I've had nothing but problems so far. i would have any help here would be awsome.

Well They sent me another fan but it was the same part even same serial number. So Its Not fixed Yet In fact it was a bit worse so I reinstalled the quietest one till the Replacement Arrives

The GREAT NEWS is that now I've received comparable news that another user got:

:"So you will all know. An Apple tech called me today and left a message.

Supposedly Apple Engineering had gotten back to him and said that there was a replacement fan for this, part # 922-5932.

Hope this helps.":

I got the same story!! So all will be well!! Its a REAL FIX and its Comming as SOON as they can get it to us!
So Apple Is Aware of and ACTING ON the Issue! The Parts Are Coming. So in my feelings the Case Is Closed.:
No matter if its sooner or later, the new Fans WILL APPEAR and we will have the SWEETEST Machines Ever. When that Dieseling is Not occurring I marvel at the Power and Quiet of the !.42 and Now that I see that Apple Is On The Case, Im VERY Relieved. I don't have to go for service, just wait for the part to make its appearance at Apple and then Ill be all set.

So you with120MM Delta Fan Issues can RELAX knowing HELP Is On the WAY just be patient its coming. Im Jazzed and relieved. In My mind Case Closed. Very Pleased.

[Mac Zealot]

Sorry to hear the problems. Sadly, to date, there hasn't been a single powermac line in the past 1.5 years that was problem free.

My g4's uptime: 1:47AM up 10 days, 7:57, 8 users, load averages: 0.48, 0.36, 0.29


Anyway, I'll elaborate:

Quicksilver: NOISE issues, still one of the noisiest powermacs (I think worse than MDD as they make howling noises), and run warm.

QS2002: The infamous graphic card problem with the gf4mx.

MDD: Noise issues return. Motherboard problems to many macs

FW800: Noise problems solved and another noise problem comes to exist, mac boot problems.

What about the powerbook line? The entire titanium line (up to the 1ghz which didn't have the problem) was deemed to have defective paint. OOPS!

The 12" albook = Screw problems, metal warping, keyboard problems, LCD problems (tho rare), and the famous latch problem. They were just growing pains tho.

17" pbook = Not many problems reported as of yet, but it took forever to get them out.

imacs = croocked screen.

So anyway, you've lucked out if it was only a fan

Hope that's all the problems you will have! Unbelievably my stability problems were due to my old cinema display and the replacement has been nothing but wonderful! (minus the 300 or so dead pixesl and backlighting problems so this one's going back DOA )

Oh well, sometimes things suck eh?

Here's to the macintosh!

[thurstonwhore]

my update,
the problems for me are all now solved and i'm happy to say my new spanking 1.42 hasnt crashed or had a kernal panic since i removed and returned the bad Kingston RAM. I was lucky enough that my local store had another 512mb stick of the apple RAM in stock and they were glad to exchange it, not only that but the Apple RAM was $20 cheaper )
My conclusion is that the problems stemmed from the Kingston RAM, although the computer had crashed without that RAM being in, but the OS X that I had re-installed did have that RAM in when it was installed, and could have defintely spawned a corrupt install, because acrobat reader would never launch, even after numerous reboots.

Also, i spoke with apple last week and they told me that the Hardware Test cd that shipped (at least with my mac) should be version 2.0.1 instead of just 2.0 and that is why when i boot off it with the apple ram, it boots to the open firmware and i get an error "invalid memory access", its nice to know that its the cd and not the computer ) so with a few minor glitches i'm very pleased with the purchase thus far, its a whole different world after upgrading from my old g4 400mhz.

[dfiler]

Originally posted by Mac Zealot:
Sorry to hear the problems. Sadly, to date, there hasn't been a single powermac line in the past 1.5 years that was problem free.
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So anyway, you've lucked out if it was only a fan
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Oh well, sometimes things suck eh?

Here's to the macintosh!

I'm curious, do you believe that there has been an unreasonable number of problems with Mac hardware? By unreasonable I mean that the hardware has an unacceptably-high defect rate when compared to other manufactures or consumer expectations.

It seems as if you're trying to say that Mac hardware is unreliable. This would be an assertion that I disagree with. There have been hundreds or perhaps thousands of unsatisfied Apple customers, yet this alone says little about product quality. When a company sells millions of units, there will be defective ones no matter what. The question is, does the company satisfy its customer expectations and does their defect rate compare favorably to that of its competitors?

As this thread illustrates, Apple hardware is far from perfect. Yet... your post doth protest too much.

[Eugene Fields]

So you with120MM Delta Fan Issues can RELAX knowing HELP Is On the WAY just be patient its coming. Im Jazzed and relieved. In My mind Case Closed. Very Pleased. [/B][/QUOTE]

UPDATE

OKAY FOLKS I have the News you have been hungry for. There was a slip-up and my part is Not in the mail - HOWEVER I'm set up to get it, when it arrives, What Is it?

Its a Papst Fan Kit with Screws! Thats as much as the Specialist Shared with me, Its a new part just added to their Database Part# 076-1036.

So, INDEED, a SOLUTION has been arrived at so sit tight HELP IS ON THE WAY!

Call your AppleCare to set it up.