[osxman]

According to this http://www.creativemac.com/2003/04_a...nder030408.htm it is possible to double the rendering speed of After Effects on dual processor Macs.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

I know that it works, but having to go through all that just to render faster? It makes me sad. Adobe have no fear about crippling MP G4's like this, and forcing us to come up with work arounds to take advantage of our machines. That sucks.

"I am Adobe! Cower before my almighty power! And use PCs because they are better! HAHAHAHAAAA!"



ps. Shout out to Hindus out there, Respect. I don't be hatin'. This particular guy looks mean, in a ridiculous way, but like Adobe, I know there's love in his heart... (ok, maybe NOT like Adobe)...

[real]

It not hard I have been using the network rendering for years now. Once you have it setup all you have to do is collect files.
Dont get me wrong Adobe should not do this but neither should apple (Shake 3.0)

real

[MindFad]

Do what with shake? It's castrated, too? I don't see the comparison.

[real]

YEP! APPLE WANTS THE FX BUSINESS SO BAD. They are resorting to Mircosoft ways. Good thing we only have 5% of the market share.
REAL

[hmurchison2001]

Originally posted by real:
YEP! APPLE WANTS THE FX BUSINESS SO BAD. They are resorting to Mircosoft ways. Good thing we only have 5% of the market share.
REAL

Man what are you talking about?

[real]

HMMMM! you tell me!
1. 9 months ago Apple offered Shake $10,000 for windows, $5,000 for the OSX version(Sounds Fishy to me). Now Free Network rendering, and other features(Mac OSX only)
2.They Droppped the Windows version, so that leaves us with Linux and OS X. Considering that most shake users are using Shake via Linux and Windows. Leaves them High and dry. And pretty mad. I'd say in the next year we will see Shake go OS X only. FX companies do not want to buy servers for render farms, workstations for work. they have spent millions.
3.At Nab( this is rumors and can not be confirmed) the linux versions code has not been updated(optimized) the thinking is that Apple has crippled(like After Effects) the linux version, to make the G4's look faster and make the switch make more sense.

Anyway, I am in the mind set of what ever gets the job done. But to them(FX Companies)spending almost twice as much for OSX when they get incredible preformance gains from wintel machines.Time=money in this world. but it true. if you can render twice as fast for 3/4 the price thats good. We dont care about flashy interfaces in compositing and rendering at all. The farms have been configured and running great. WHY CHANGE?



I hope we can stop the platform wars but at the same time I see the point. What bothers me is apple is so anti windows but follows the same practices. I know what your thinking it business, well business or not doesnt make it right( you listening Adobe, microsoft, apple and all other developers)no there not OH WELL!



Thats what I'm talking about


REAL

[MindFad]

Oh, like things haven't been cancelled for the Mac or bought up. Apple made a great decision buying the company that made Shake. It's sure to piss people off, but it's also sure to help sales (I think), and to continue the traditional idea that the Mac is great for graphics and video. Of course, the 970 will solve any complaints about speed. If it hurries up and gets here.

Apple should buy up Alias|WaveFront, too, and get that over with. That I'd love to see.

[hmurchison2001]

1. 9 months ago Apple offered Shake $10,000 for windows, $5,000 for the OSX version(Sounds Fishy to me). Now Free Network rendering, and other features(Mac OSX only)

Elementary my dear fellow. Apple supports Zerconf with Rendezvous. They have no control over whether Windows Irix or Linux do so.

2.They Droppped the Windows version, so that leaves us with Linux and OS X. Considering that most shake users are using Shake via Linux and Windows. Leaves them High and dry. And pretty mad. I'd say in the next year we will see Shake go OS X only. FX companies do not want to buy servers for render farms, workstations for work. they have spent millions.

Nothing Real was already struggling with the support for multiple platforms. Remember Apple didn't seek them out..word on the street was they were already looking to sell. Why should Apple support 4 Platforms? Apple has not left them High and Dry. For the price of Linux/Irix/Windows Shake you can get TWO seats. That sounds like a deal to me. We may see Shake go OSX only but it will hardly affect large Shake users bottom line as they Double their seats by doing so.

3.At Nab( this is rumors and can not be confirmed) the linux versions code has not been updated(optimized) the thinking is that Apple has crippled(like After Effects) the linux version, to make the G4's look faster and make the switch make more sense

Ask yourself. Are Apple programmer versed on Linux Programming methods or Apples. You're asking the Mechanic to become a Carpenter here. What needs to happen is Shake needs to remain a viable Compositing application. If that means scaling back then that's the way it is. It's not crippling per se but Apple knows OSX best.

Anyway, I am in the mind set of what ever gets the job done. But to them(FX Companies)spending almost twice as much for OSX when they get incredible preformance gains from wintel machines.Time=money in this world. but it true. if you can render twice as fast for 3/4 the price thats good. We dont care about flashy interfaces in compositing and rendering at all. The farms have been configured and running great. WHY CHANGE?

Are you sure you're a Mac user? If so stop reading into the proganda about "incredible" performance. It's misleading. The facts are you can get TWO Shake seats on Macintosh for the price of a Linux/Irix seat. Apple can optimize Shake for the Mac Platform and OSX and deliver a superior product compared to supporting 3 Platforms. No one said anything about "Flashy" interfaces. As a matter of fact you just contradicted yourself. When in the Shake environment a Mac running Shake looks exactly the same as Linux/Window/Irix. So the fact that Apple offer TWO Mac Seats per Linux/Irix/Windows version means you can run TWO Loaded Dual 1.42Ghz Powermacs and I don't care how fast you think your Linux boxes are they're not going to beat TWO Powermacs 1.4Ghz machines That 4x processors going.

I hope we can stop the platform wars but at the same time I see the point. What bothers me is apple is so anti windows but follows the same practices. I know what your thinking it business, well business or not doesnt make it right( you listening Adobe, microsoft, apple and all other developers)no there not OH WELL!

That's just it. There's nothing wrong with buying a company and changing its platform reach. I don't slam Microsoft for that. Hell Cisco is worse than both companies. The Platform Wars unfortunately will continue. Think about it. Until Apple can increase their marketshare to a healthy number they will be "forced" to develop Macintosh only apps. They must grow the market so that there is some parity and developers can deliver apps in large quantities to both platforms. In that sense I agree with you but market realities are that Apple is in a fight for it's survival.

[Leonis]

Yeah....getting double license on the Mac for free. But don't forget you have to buy their overpriced/underperformed hardware

[DeathMan]

Originally posted by Leonis:
Yeah....getting double license on the Mac for free. But don't forget you have to buy their overpriced/underperformed hardware

apple is positioning itself. I'm sure they would have liked to have hardware and software all emerge at the same time, but they have stock prices to look out for. So this quarter they release a bunch of cool pro stuff. By the time they release some real sweet hardware, they'll have workflow/bug stuff all worked out, and be a single-solution for post production.

Apple is for the desktop video revoloution what they were for desktop publishing. They are THE solution.

Why would you even want to edit video/film on anything else?