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Cube Upgrade - Which is better?
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May 1, 2003, 05:04 PM
 
Both Sonnet and Powerlogix have dropped their prices on their processor upgrades. I'm interested in upgrading my Cube. Between Sonnet's Encore ST/G4 and Powerlogix's PowerForce G4 Series 100, which would be the better choice for my Cube and why?

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May 1, 2003, 05:08 PM
 
Sonnet, they have no sleep problem. No hesitation.
     
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May 1, 2003, 05:20 PM
 
Originally posted by proux:
Sonnet, they have no sleep problem. No hesitation.
Agree 100%.
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May 1, 2003, 06:04 PM
 
Originally posted by Sophus:
Agree 100%.
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Sophus, how has the PowerLogix been a disappointment?
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May 1, 2003, 06:50 PM
 
I also hear the Gigadesigns chips don't have any sleep issues. Don't have one yet (looking around), but the board comments at xlr8yourmac.com seem positive.....
     
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May 1, 2003, 07:19 PM
 
gigadesigns doesn't work on a cube. Get the sonnet. It's cheaper now too. I just got the 1.2 g4 and it's working like a charm in my cube.

it actually makes the mac feel like a modern fast machine.

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May 2, 2003, 02:01 AM
 
Originally posted by freakboy2:
gigadesigns doesn't work on a cube. Get the sonnet. It's cheaper now too. I just got the 1.2 g4 and it's working like a charm in my cube.

it actually makes the mac feel like a modern fast machine.

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The Mac *IS* a modern fast machine. <GRIN>

The CUBE (I knew what ya meant!) is also a modern fast, yet quite cool looking machine.

I gotta upgrade mine. I'm just trying to get past the "need" more speed vs. just "wanting" more speed dillema.
     
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May 2, 2003, 04:40 PM
 
Originally posted by Buck_W:
Sophus, how has the PowerLogix been a disappointment?
Bought and installed 1GHZ Powerlogix CPU. Doesn't wake from sleep.
Put the old CPU back in, Voila! no problem.
Put the PWL back in, no wakey.
Put the old CPU back in, Voila! no problem.
etc.

Call PWL; "No, it's not our fault... It's OSX!" - "Uhh.. how do you know?" - "We don't, we just say that... *click*".

Short rerun of PWL customer service and will to take responsibility for a faulty product.

I will move to Sonnet anyday. Just need to find some poor guy who is willing to buy my PWL upgrade for a good price.

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May 2, 2003, 05:08 PM
 
Originally posted by Sophus:
Bought and installed 1GHZ Powerlogix CPU. Doesn't wake from sleep.
Put the old CPU back in, Voila! no problem.
Put the PWL back in, no wakey.
Put the old CPU back in, Voila! no problem.
etc.

Call PWL; "No, it's not our fault... It's OSX!" - "Uhh.. how do you know?" - "We don't, we just say that... *click*".

Short rerun of PWL customer service and will to take responsibility for a faulty product.

I will move to Sonnet anyday. Just need to find some poor guy who is willing to buy my PWL upgrade for a good price.

Sophus
I'm really sorrow to hear of your trouble Sophus, but I appreciate you sharing it. Perhaps it will help others from running into the same misfortune.
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May 3, 2003, 10:56 AM
 
The sleep problem seems very complex, a combination of hardware/software deep bugs and PL gets no help from Apple of course. They are all trying to get duals working, but they at least need a new VRM (power bus), and I more and more doubt they will get over the heat issue as even Powermac upgraders have heat problems with upgrades.

I would be sorry to have to sell the Cube when PPC970 macs will be out... Still the best computer ever made...
     
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May 5, 2003, 12:28 AM
 
Originally posted by proux:
The sleep problem seems very complex, a combination of hardware/software deep bugs and PL gets no help from Apple of course. They are all trying to get duals working,

That's a shame about the VRM boards. I wish PL and/or Sonnet could deliver on those. I remember reading about some very happy Cube owners with dual 800 PL boards - at least until their Cubes got fried I wonder what the hold up is for those new VRMs? I'd love to have a dualie Cube again!

My take on the deep sleep problem:
1 - my original 500Mhz Apple cpu didn't have it.
2 - my "unsupported" dual 500 Sonnet cpu didn't have it when I hacked in my Cube.
3 - but my 1GHz PL goes into a coma if I even try.

I miss sleep mode but am happy with my 1Ghz PL upgrade otherwise. It's a helluva lot faster than my previous dual 500 for most things (actually - my 1GHz PL is faster at everything I own except Quake3). I can still set the hard drive and display to sleep. Of course I hope PL can get sleep mode working. But I'd prefer a beefier VRM and dualie upgrades first .......joe
     
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May 5, 2003, 02:26 PM
 
Originally posted by joe:
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My take on the deep sleep problem:
1 - my original 500Mhz Apple cpu didn't have it.
2 - my "unsupported" dual 500 Sonnet cpu didn't have it when I hacked in my Cube.
3 - but my 1GHz PL goes into a coma if I even try.

I miss sleep mode but am happy with my 1Ghz PL upgrade otherwise. It's a helluva lot faster than my previous dual 500 for most things (actually - my 1GHz PL is faster at everything I own except Quake3). I can still set the hard drive and display to sleep. Of course I hope PL can get sleep mode working. But I'd prefer a beefier VRM and dualie upgrades first .......joe
The "Powerlogix sleep bug" seems to affect only the single 1GHZ and single
1.2 GHZ. The machine is frozen the second the disc spins up. No reaction
what so ever, keyboard is not functioning etc. Hard reboot is only solution
to this.

True, other CPU configurations and stock apple CPU's may experience almost
similar problems from time to time, but often of a slightly different
character/syptoms (the screen does not wake, but otherwise the machine
functions), and it is not a consequent failure explicitly linked to the
type of CPU.

Check out xlr8yourmac's database. As far as I could see, all 1 and 1.2 GHZ
PWL CPU's suffered from the sleep bug. 800's and dualies don't.

As I have said before, from a logical point of view, this should quite
clearly indicate that there is something wrong with the PWL upgrades. Of
course, PWL can always claim that their CPU's would work if Apple adapted
OSX to accomodate their special "PWL's sleep bug", but I believe that a
company that sell upgrades should rather meet the specifications and
requirements of the host system rather than the other way around.

I find it intrigueing that they claim the problem is with Apple while they
at the same time (allegedly) have said that they have spent $ 20K trying to
figure out what's wrong without solving the problem. Clearly, the problem
is tied to their upgrades, they don't know whats causing it, which in turn
leads to the conclusion that there is no valid basis for their claim that
this is a fault of the OSX. BTW, OS 9 shows a similar error for most people
with PWL CPU's mentioned.

As the case stands, PWL has disappointed me with their lack of will to
claim responsiblity or at least provide an explanation as to why this
happens almost without exceptions with their upgrades while not with
sonnets etc. (Sonnet btw. has allegedly claimed that they knew about this
potential problem and solved it before release of their product).

Sophus (I really, really miss sleep...)
     
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May 8, 2003, 03:08 PM
 
my 1.2 g4 sonnet upgrade has no sleep issues.

Btw - don't get me wrong - I love my cube. The mac w/ a 500 g4 is kind of pre-modern or post-modern, but it's not modern.

With a 1.2 g4, now it's pre, post and modern all at the same time.

It's a little bit of everything and lots of love!

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May 27, 2003, 03:11 PM
 
i am thinkin of a cube and after readin this (i was gonna go with the pwl) can anyone provide a link for the sonnet boards please

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May 27, 2003, 03:46 PM
 
Originally posted by billybob128:
i am thinkin of a cube and after readin this (i was gonna go with the pwl) can anyone provide a link for the sonnet boards please
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore_stg4.html
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May 27, 2003, 04:12 PM
 
actually, if you take a look at cubeowner.com forums you will see people have had "sleep/coma" problems with sonnet cards as well.
     
   
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