[axlepin]

what are thoughts on whether to buy a Dual 2Ghz G5 now, or to wait until the 2nd generation?

How likely are there to be bugs? Are there aspects of the 1st-Gen design that makes sense to wait for 2nd-Generation?

thanks for input!

axle

[Maflynn]

If you need one now, and you can afford it, why not get one now and enjoy.

No one knows for sure what issues (if any) the first generation of G5's will have. bottom line is if you need the horsepower now, especially if time is money get.

There's been a lot of discussion on this topic and for more insight search this forum.

Mike

[kcourt]

I don't need one so I will wait - at least until they have Panther installed.

Could use more speed though as I am currently using G4 tower, with 400 mhz.

[slider]

I don't know, I think this G5 has been a long time coming and although there might be a first generation issue, for me is seems hard to believe. There is just so much thought put into this machine.

[idyll]

I'd buy it as soon as possible. I don't think Apple would screw over many of it's customers so there shouldn't be any major issues. As for minor ones, Apple always fixes them in time.

[terrancew_hod]

Personally, I'll wait. I want Panther pre-installed on the box. Also I'm interested in seeing what's in store for the powerbooks next year.

Also the next rev powermac may not need all the fans and may allow for dual cd/dvd-roms and more expansion.

Terrance

[clarkgoble]

I think it really depends upon your system. If you have less than a dual 800 or single 1 GHz then I'd seriously consider a G5. If you have the above or better, you are really reasonably good for a year or two.

The advantages of waiting is that almost certainly prices will go down once volumes increase on the G5. Further right now the hard drives and so forth in use in the G5s are fairly expensive. That is bound to change.

While the G5's are very fast with existing G4 software, one can expect that upcoming compilers and optimizations will make future software faster. Waiting means that you'll get that software when you switch.

Personally I'm waiting because my dual 867 is more than adequate right now. I also expect that 10.3 will improve speed. I don't have a HDTV capture card, and that's about the only thing outside of the occasional home movie that would benefit from the increased speed. Don't get me wrong, I lust after one. But realistically I don't need one. I'll wait until I have more disposable money and the platform has matured a little.

[Brien]

As a poor high school student, I'll be waiting.

[Cipher13]

NEVER get Rev. A.

[Thilo Ettelt]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
NEVER get Rev. A.

Why not? The only thing that could happen is they release a faster machine like 9 month later... (?)


- Thilo

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
Why not? The only thing that could happen is they release a faster machine like 9 month later... (?)


- Thilo

No. The machines are first-runs; there will be bugs, and faults, that Apple hasn't witnessed yet.

It isn't possible to fully "test" a system without making it public.

Just watch.

[Johnny_B]

I wouldn't have sold your old machine. With S-ATA and only room for 2, an old G4 or B&W G3 would be perfect to have old regular ATA discs in. Then do networking between them with a firewire cable. Yum…

[Simon]

I will guess the biggest change between rev A and B for the G5 will be the fact that they drop the Yikes-type motherboard of the 1.6GHz in favor of only two motherboards for the whole line: One for the single processor machines and a second for the dual machines.

The current stripped-down board of the 1.6GHz is a teaser - a lower-cost machine to attract people. I bet it will be gone as soon as the PowerMac G4 is dropped.

[Xtraz]

NEVER get Rev. A.

I have a rev A Ti Powerbook and a rev A FP iMac. Neither had any problems.

Of course there'll be a higher probability of having bugs and quirks, but most of the time it doesn't affect or bother a lot of users.

rev A products are rarely bad enough that you lose productivity because the bugs. Quirks, yes, they'll probably have some that you may (or may not) get used to. But if you need the power now (and don't want to use other platforms), go ahead and get the G5.

I'm considering one right now, the only obstacle is financial.

[Spliffdaddy]

If Apple didn't flatly ignore problems with its products - there wouldn't be any reason to avoid their first-generation machines.

[Bbazzarrakk]

My opinion, for what it's worth: This Rev. A stuff is total BS.

If the Rev. A.'s have a serious problem, Apple will provide a fix. They have in the past, power cords, fan kits, etc.

I have seen a Rev. A machine that had quirks, I'll give you. But the part that everyone leaves out is that I've also seen a Rev. F machine that had quirks.

Take the iMac, for example. I owed a lot of those suckers, saw many revisions. I don't remember the letter, but the first SE model in "Smoke" plastic was the best, in my opinion, hands down. My wife still uses one that came about two revisions after it ("Snow" 600Mhz, if memory serves). That machine is the worst of the batch, also in my opinion, and I did have the Rev. A iMac.

They switched screens in that set and the new one is freaking awful. It basically has subtle lines running through it all the time, you can really see it on white backgrounds. Writing letters in Appleworks is a joy with that huge white window. It also can't remember screen geometry settings to save it's life and it's a poster child for crashing, under OS 9. I have no idea what letter that sucker would be, but it was close to the end of the line for the original iMac enclosure.

I know I'm in the minority around here, but I believe this Rev. A bunk is just that, bunk.

Baz--Orderer of a Rev. A G5

[zigzag]

Might as well wait for the first batch to be shipped, then see what kinds of problems people report. Let them be the guinea pigs. If there's nothing serious, and you're in a hurry, go ahead and buy (you'll probably be able to get quick delivery in a month or two).

[The Ancient One]

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
I think it really depends upon your system. If you have less than a dual 800 or single 1 GHz then I'd seriously consider a G5. If you have the above or better, you are really reasonably good for a year or two.

Exactly. I have a dual 800 and the first machine I'll consider will be next year's dual 3GHz model (promised by Steve in the keynote). I'll hold out even longer if there is no application I need that won't run properly on the dual 800, but I imagine by next year the latest software will require more horsepower - or the OS will.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Xtraz:
I have a rev A Ti Powerbook and a rev A FP iMac. Neither had any problems.

Of course there'll be a higher probability of having bugs and quirks, but most of the time it doesn't affect or bother a lot of users.

rev A products are rarely bad enough that you lose productivity because the bugs. Quirks, yes, they'll probably have some that you may (or may not) get used to. But if you need the power now (and don't want to use other platforms), go ahead and get the G5.

I'm considering one right now, the only obstacle is financial.

Originally posted by Bbazzarrakk:
My opinion, for what it's worth: This Rev. A stuff is total BS.

If the Rev. A.'s have a serious problem, Apple will provide a fix. They have in the past, power cords, fan kits, etc.

I have seen a Rev. A machine that had quirks, I'll give you. But the part that everyone leaves out is that I've also seen a Rev. F machine that had quirks.

Take the iMac, for example. I owed a lot of those suckers, saw many revisions. I don't remember the letter, but the first SE model in "Smoke" plastic was the best, in my opinion, hands down. My wife still uses one that came about two revisions after it ("Snow" 600Mhz, if memory serves). That machine is the worst of the batch, also in my opinion, and I did have the Rev. A iMac.

They switched screens in that set and the new one is freaking awful. It basically has subtle lines running through it all the time, you can really see it on white backgrounds. Writing letters in Appleworks is a joy with that huge white window. It also can't remember screen geometry settings to save it's life and it's a poster child for crashing, under OS 9. I have no idea what letter that sucker would be, but it was close to the end of the line for the original iMac enclosure.

I know I'm in the minority around here, but I believe this Rev. A bunk is just that, bunk.

Baz--Orderer of a Rev. A G5

The rev. A TiBook was a complete piece of crap. The optical drive works as sporadically as a government employee, it ran hot enough to burn you if you used it as a LAP top, the paint peeled, the hinges were weak, and the AirPort reception would've been better if they'd enclosed the user in a faraday cage... heh.

Another example... the rev. A PowerBook G3. Remember that machine? Kanga? The PowerBook 3400 retrofitted to run a PPC750?

Remember the first Smurf? IDE controller bugs, FireWire controller bugs, PCI problems...

The first G4 tower? The one that had a Smurf motherboard, with a G4 stuck in place of the G3 (practically)? No AGP, even...

...hmm? I could go on and on.

You can argue that Rev. A machines are fine, but you're simply showing your ignorance if you continue to do so.

[DeathMan]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
...
Another example... the rev. A PowerBook G3. Remember that machine? Kanga? The PowerBook 3400 retrofitted to run a PPC750?

The first G4 tower? The one that had a Smurf motherboard, with a G4 stuck in place of the G3 (practically)? No AGP, even...

These two examples aren't examples of defective first rev machines, only examples of technology choices you don't agree with. G5s aren't slapped onto G4 motherboards. You know this.

Most Rev A. Problems go unnoticed by a vast majority of customers. If you buy a new G5, and its SATA drivers are wonky, how long do think it would take apple to fix them? Not very long. Major problems, you send it in and get it fixed.

I think you're reaching a little with your absolutist "You should NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BUY A REV A MAC"

Also, you act like an ass when someone dares not agree with you.

P.S. Isn't REV A a misnomer? How can it be a revision if its version A?

[Bbazzarrakk]

Nice to know I'm not COMPLETELY alone in, even if I did admit to it being a minority. You have my thanks DeathMan, I didn't want to respond to that personal attack.

Baz

[The Ancient One]

Sadly, there is some substance to the Rev A argument, but, in my experience, it only applies to the very first machines off the assembly line. I preordered my dual 800 on the day it was announced and Apple wound up performing $1,500 in repairs under warranty, the big one being a new motherboard. Before that I got one of the first 8500/120s (I had it three weeks before it appeared in normal channels) The motherboard was faulty and the bus speed was limited to 40 MHz instead of the 50 it should have been capable of. Machines produced a month later were OK. It's still running, though and my wife likes it just fine. I always recommend ordering after a machine has been out for a few weeks. Apple seems to fix major motherboard issues in that time frame.

[Cory Bauer]

I too would like to second the "If you need it now and have the money, then get it; and if not, then wait" advice. That's all it really comes down to. Our company just bought a 15" PowerBook G4 even though I know they'll be revising them any day now. But we needed it now, so there's nothing you can do. Also, I'd like to add that in my experience, $1,000 buys your a year if you really use your computer extensively. So, if you bought a $2,000 computer, keep it two years. I find this a good rule of thumb.


As for the "don't buy a Rev A!" thing, I find it to be blown way out of proportion. Some of you guys have people under the impression that the first batch of computers Apple ships out are a box of broken nuts and bolts with duct tape holding the case shut. Both of my computers are Rev A models. My Blue & White G3 was a Rev A, and although I suffered from being limited to one ATA drive, I had no other problems whatsoever with the machine. I don't believe they fixed the IDE controller until the machine had been out for six months, anyhow. My current computer is the first of the 15" 800Mhz G4 flat-panel iMacs, and I haven't had a single issue with it whatsoever. Are you more likely to get a bad egg out of the first batch? Probably. Is it going to effect you in any way? Not really, because if it's a lemon Apple will replace it for you. I personally don't expect any issues to crop up with the G5's. You don't think the PowerMac developers have been twiddling their thumbs this hole time while we received only slight modifications to the PowerMac G4 architecture and design, do you?

Perhaps there's a reason why Apple has been publically announcing new computers 2-3 months before they actually ship for the past couple years. They can get them out into the hands of testers without worrying about leaked specs, images, etc. and get these things tested more thoroughly. Which is why you don't hear "And they're shipping today!" From Steve-O anymore. Eh? I think I may be on to something...

[Demonhood]

a lot of the 1st generation stuff is personal experience.

i've seen numerous first gen beige G3s with HDs that failed prematurely (Wester Digital's fault, but still an issue). i've also seen two first gen G4 iMacs with bad power supplies. sure, it was covered under warranty, but one of them failed with only 50 days left on the warranty. not exactly optimal.

so, based on those experiences and a handful of others, i'll be waiting for the second generation. oh, and because i want something faster. and i can afford to wait.

[jwest]

I've had several rev. a machines. From a beige G3, rev a (awesome machine) to a blueberry ibook.. very sweet to my current ibook (dual usb).

I plan, however, to wait until the rev b of the g5 in hopes of seeing if the speed boost is for real.. and most obviously to wait for a dual to become affordable.. can't replace my dual 450 with a lonely single processor. Besides.. my dual is quite capable right now. 3 yrs old and goin strong!!

Jeff

[osiris]

It feels like years that I've been waiting for the G5. Wait, it has been years....

A gut feeling is that Apple will make sure that there are no problems. The G5 can't afford bad press, no matter how fast they are (and IMO they better be insanely faster than a G4, none of this 'snappier' BS.). errr...

Rev A will probably be fine.

Rev A history: My Rev A Sawtooth can't upgrade to dual processors because of a ROM incompatibility, but this baby is wonderfully 100% reliable... and also a Rev A PB 5300 that still works well, no fires with this one!

[bstone]

According to me it's so powerful you needn't wait.

[Xtraz]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
You can argue that Rev. A machines are fine, but you're simply showing your ignorance if you continue to do so.

Your deal-breakers are our acceptable annoyances. Funny how different people have different metrics huh?

But you're probably right, we're just that much more ignorant than the rest of you.

[awcopus]

I will be at the NYC SOHO store tomorrow morning, early, to be first on line with a defective iPod that needs fixing/replacing.

:_(

My understanding is that the G5s are there and will be on display. Eager to play with the duallie.

I had issues with the the first model's expansion limits for the particular demands of the video editing work I do. After extensive research, I decided that it made sense for me to bust a move on a 1.42 duallie and wait to track the development of affordable, high performance third party storage solutions. I am in touch with Sonnet and Granite and others on a monthly basis.

Honestly, the only G5 I consider worth buying is the duallie. It's an awesome machine. It's pricey, but not overpriced (remember the $3499 price point of previous high-end Macs). The low-end machine is overpriced by comparison. The mid-level machine is....well... the point at which you're spending that much on a machine, bite the bullet and get the dual for heaven's sake. Panther loves duals, as do most pro-level apps. And that's why you're buying a Pro machine, oui?

The other machines have big holes where a second processor should be...and will be in the the next revision and those to follow. I don't like useless holes in my Macs.

Dual G5 by the end of 2004 for me.

[kentuckyfried]

Not to say a REV A has any major problems, but they always find ways to optimize the design a bit the second time around...

The hd tray assembly in the original rev A g3 I got was a real pain in the a** to move around. The machine actually died right after the 1 year warranty ran out...I had to practically beg to Apple to let me buy Applecare so I could keep the cost of getting the g3 fixed up down to $300.

Aside from that, I've had issues here and there that have gone unexplained (like the time I tried installing a 2nd hard drive, i went to Fry's and got three different ones, all of them wouldn't mount). Oh yeah...and there was this other time where the b-tree structure of the OS got corrupted, so I ended up having to reformat the entire hd and install the OS again plus lost all my mp3s. As tempted as I am right now to just waste money on a G5,
I want to see what kind of initial response there is.

All said and done...I came out unlucky with that whole warranty business. And the b-tree corruption thing (where oh where was my copy of Diskwarrior back then?) But other than that, no major problems...just alot of wasted hours here and there because of some unexplained events.

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
Why not? The only thing that could happen is they release a faster machine like 9 month later... (?)


- Thilo

[Melkor]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
oh, and because i want something faster. and i can afford to wait.

Something faster?

[Eriamjh]

Rev B is almost always better than Version A. It has to be. Limitations exist in all models, but until a better one comes along, they aren't considered that significant.

Sometimes, Rev B REMOVES a feature that was cool in Rev A (like Mezzanine slot in iMacs or internal FW port in Sawtooth G4s). If you never need that feature it becomes meaningless, though.

Bugs are another problem. If a machine has problems, then they should be fixed under warranty. If you want to take a chance, get AppleCare or some other warranty have a little peace of mind.

After seeing those benchmarks in another thread, I'm not so convinced a single G5 is as fast as a Dual G4... But I haven't fully tapped the speed of my DP800 either...

[awcopus]

It makes sense to me that the single processor G5s will be faster than my dual 1.42 in most cases. They will move bits faster. They will not be as productive when the machine is asked to tackle more than one task from more than one application....but the bandwidth improvements will make individual tasks go by so much faster that the dual G4's pathetic bus limit will probably be show for the horror that it really is.

I love my 1.42 duallie, but realistically, it's hard to imagine it matching let alone beating the 1.6, let alone the 1.8 in any tasks given that monster bandwidth plus the chip's own internal increased parallel processing capabilities.

That said, the question of the degree of the difference is anyone's guess. And ultimately, Jobs said that Panther and the G5 are made from the ground up to run optimally in a dual processor config.

No useless holes in Macs! $2500 dual 2.x G5 in 2004!

[mosch]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
NEVER get Rev. A.

This useless post brought to you from a revision a PB12. A sweet, sweet PB12.

[keysersoze]

And so, the thread in which those who can't afford one now justify it in other ways, marches on...

[ae77]

i bought a rev. A iMac and a rev. A powerbook 12 inch. no regrets here.

there can be only one original.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Bbazzarrakk:
Nice to know I'm not COMPLETELY alone in, even if I did admit to it being a minority. You have my thanks DeathMan, I didn't want to respond to that personal attack.

Baz

That was no personal attack. I'm sorry if you felt it was, but it wasn't, so... tough luck.

Originally posted by DeathMan:
These two examples aren't examples of defective first rev machines, only examples of technology choices you don't agree with. G5s aren't slapped onto G4 motherboards. You know this.

Most Rev A. Problems go unnoticed by a vast majority of customers. If you buy a new G5, and its SATA drivers are wonky, how long do think it would take apple to fix them? Not very long. Major problems, you send it in and get it fixed.

I think you're reaching a little with your absolutist "You should NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BUY A REV A MAC"

Also, you act like an ass when someone dares not agree with you.

P.S. Isn't REV A a misnomer? How can it be a revision if its version A?

Examples of technology choices I don't agree with? Oh, yeah, that was a great choice deciding the ATA controller of the Rev. A Smurfs should have a bug which disallowed the use of a second drive. Hey, know what? That bug fixed ANY issue people might have with master/slave confusions! It was simply simplifying the experience, right?

SATA drivers? WTF does that have to do with anything? There were no DRIVER issues with the smurfs; the CONTROLLER was messed up.

I act like an ass? Oh well, not my problem.

Yes, it is a misnomer, but why complicate matters?

Go ahead and buy a Rev. A. Chances are, you'll be happy. You might not, though. And I will say I told you so.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Cory Bauer:
My Blue & White G3 was a Rev A, and although I suffered from being limited to one ATA drive, I had no other problems whatsoever with the machine.

Heh. Speaks for itself.

Originally posted by Cory Bauer:
You don't think the PowerMac developers have been twiddling their thumbs this hole time while we received only slight modifications to the PowerMac G4 architecture and design, do you?

You might have said the same regarding the G4 progress from the G3. Heh. I'm sure Yikes! would attest to that. Right?

Originally posted by Xtraz:
Your deal-breakers are our acceptable annoyances. Funny how different people have different metrics huh?

So it would be an acceptable annoyance for you to only be able to have a single hard drive in a G5?

Originally posted by Xtraz:
But you're probably right, we're just that much more ignorant than the rest of you.

Yeah. Evidently.

Originally posted by keysersoze:
And so, the thread in which those who can't afford one now justify it in other ways, marches on...

Always comes down to money with you, doesn't it? 9 posts. Each one of them that I can remember has been derogatory; at least two or three have been monetarily based. So, you're the vile alter-ego of which prominent member, hmm?

Well, either way. I just bought an iBook and iPod. I could have gotten a G5 if I felt so inclined; I didn't. For reasons already stated.

[keysersoze]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Heh. Speaks for itself.



You might have said the same regarding the G4 progress from the G3. Heh. I'm sure Yikes! would attest to that. Right?



So it would be an acceptable annoyance for you to only be able to have a single hard drive in a G5?



Yeah. Evidently.



Always comes down to money with you, doesn't it? 9 posts. Each one of them that I can remember has been derogatory; at least two or three have been monetarily based. So, you're the vile alter-ego of which prominent member, hmm?

Well, either way. I just bought an iBook and iPod. I could have gotten a G5 if I felt so inclined; I didn't. For reasons already stated.

OH YEAH???????????????

WELL YOU GO TO HELL YOU MONGOLOID DROOLER!!! YOU CAN GO EAT WORM-INFESTED CRAP!!!!!!!!!

[DrBoar]

I wait for the price to go down and the duals to progress down to at least the midrange model.

[Loopydude]

Originally posted by DrBoar:
I wait for the price to go down and the duals to progress down to at least the midrange model.

I will do the same. I'm hoping that the new relationship with IBM will allow Apple to offer more timely and reasonably-priced speed bumps in the near future. This Rev. A G5 crop reminds me a tad of the first Power Macs (6100, 7100, 8100): They were good machines, but much better machines with more forward compatibility and better design were right around the corner, and the newer models didn't cost much more.

I think this Rev. A crop is for those who really need a faster Mac right this minute, and couldn't wait for the real juicy G5 future. There are plenty of Mac-using professionals who I'm sure want desperately to replace their slow G4 towers. This generation of the G5 is for them. If you can wait, wait. The future should have some nice things in store.

[NYCFarmboy]

Depends on what you are running now...I'd wait at least until Panther comes out if you can. If you have an old tower that is on its last legs get a new one. If you are running anything over Dual 1 gig I'd say wait.

I know a few important programs have been somewhat optimized for 64 bit processing, but I'd wait for a Rev B G5 to let the bugs get worked out on the hardware and the software.

Having said that, I am buying a low end G5 for my sister in few weeks as she needs a new tower now, and for her applications (basically imovie and idvd, the G5 low end tower will be just fine). Panther would not do much for her,so its not an issue of waiting on the operating system. She is on 9.2 now so the jump to jaguar will be more than enough for her.

I have a 1.42 dual G4, and will wait unil the 3 gig g5's come out next year before I upgrade again for my own computer.

I also have a strong suspician that new moniters are in the works that will better match the G5's, so if you don't already have an LCD, I'd wait until new models come out.

[Arkham_c]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Always comes down to money with you, doesn't it? 9 posts. Each one of them that I can remember has been derogatory; at least two or three have been monetarily based. So, you're the vile alter-ego of which prominent member, hmm?

Well, I don't wish to get into a flame war, but almost every post I've ever seen from you was either denigrating OSX or poo-pooing Rev A machines. Apple has sold a LOT of "Rev A" machines, and overwhelmingly the experience has been positive for Apple users. The biggest problems (5300 batteries, fried modems, etc) were not even on Rev A machines.

I had a Rev A Tangerine iBook, and it's now on it's third owner and still cooking along with no problems. It was a great machine (and still is).

In general, I favor waiting on ordering a Rev A machine and letting someone else be the guinea pig, but if after a month or so everyone is satisfied, why not go for it?

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by Loopydude:
I think this Rev. A crop is for those who really need a faster Mac right this minute, and couldn't wait for the real juicy G5 future. There are plenty of Mac-using professionals who I'm sure want desperately to replace their slow G4 towers. This generation of the G5 is for them. If you can wait, wait. The future should have some nice things in store.

You're not really serious, are you?

These machines are not really like the Yikes! G4's... a Blue & White G3 painted gray and a ZIF G4 dropped in place.

Clearly a lot of expense went into these machines, and I cannot see Apple redesigning anything about these machines (from case to motherboard) any time soon.

[idyll]

Buy buy buy the G5 as soon as you can. You won't be disappointed.

[Loopydude]

Originally posted by Cadaver:
You're not really serious, are you?

These machines are not really like the Yikes! G4's... a Blue & White G3 painted gray and a ZIF G4 dropped in place.

Clearly a lot of expense went into these machines, and I cannot see Apple redesigning anything about these machines (from case to motherboard) any time soon.

Uh, Yeah, I am.

How about more drive bays, more memory slots, single and dual processors down the line, most modern memory config. for all models, etc.

You think these things aren't coming any time soon? I hope you're wrong.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Arkham_c:
Well, I don't wish to get into a flame war, but almost every post I've ever seen from you was either denigrating OSX or poo-pooing Rev A machines. Apple has sold a LOT of "Rev A" machines, and overwhelmingly the experience has been positive for Apple users. The biggest problems (5300 batteries, fried modems, etc) were not even on Rev A machines.

I had a Rev A Tangerine iBook, and it's now on it's third owner and still cooking along with no problems. It was a great machine (and still is).

In general, I favor waiting on ordering a Rev A machine and letting someone else be the guinea pig, but if after a month or so everyone is satisfied, why not go for it?

I have 18000 posts - you'd need to have seen a lot of them to be able to make any statement regarding the content of the majority thereof.

[saru boy]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
I have 18000 posts - you'd need to have seen a lot of them to be able to make any statement regarding the content of the majority thereof.

That's alot of posts.

Re. revisions, my favorite is rev. O negative.

All kidding aside, at what point would you consider something to be a rev B? Does Apple come out and say "this is rev B"? Or is it when people start noticing that there's a new power supply that doesn't catch on fire?

[Simon]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
You can argue that Rev. A machines are fine, but you're simply showing your ignorance if you continue to do so.

Meaty. But foolish.

Originally posted by Cipher13:
I act like an ass? Oh well, not my problem.

Wrong. It is your problem.

Originally posted by Cipher13:
I have 18000 posts - you'd need to have seen a lot of them to be able to make any statement regarding the content of the majority thereof.

Ah common Cipher. Stop acting like a dick. He clearly mentioned "from the posts he saw". You fired a lot of ammo against OS X and you hate Rev A's. Everybody knows that and your point has no doubt been made.

We all know you have ten quadrillion posts and you sacrificed your life for macnn, and normally we're grateful for that because some intelligent stuff has come from ya and you're easy on private chat.

BUT, you have stated your opinion. Others have stated theirs. And I dare to say both have valid points. It seems a matter of preference. So stop acting like a spoiled baby (attacking others personally and trying to impress everybody with muchomacho meaty big-boy statements). You're not wrong, he isn't either. The truth is sometimes not all that simple. Respect that like a man.

[superfula]

Originally posted by Simon:
Stop acting like a dick.

So stop acting like a spoiled baby (attacking others personally and trying to impress everybody with muchomacho meaty big-boy statements).

Pot. Kettle. Black. It's a general rule of thumb, that when you start preaching you shouldn't accuse someone of something and then do it yourself. It makes you look...well...not good.