[Ratm]

Good results cant wait for the G5 optimization
http://www.barefeats.com/g5sum02.html




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[juanpacolopez]

Originally posted by Ratm:
Good results cant wait for the G5 optimization
http://www.barefeats.com/g5sum02.html




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The unoptimized dual g5 beat the single 3Ghz P4 w/ HT.... that's ALL I care about

The reason:

For over a year now my (still, despite my best efforts) windows using friends have said "Any PC will beat the hell out of any Mac in raw speed, so I'll never get a Mac". To us loyal OSX users this is a silly thing, but it's a pretty common attitude in the Windows-using community.

There is a LARGE group of users who don't particularly care as much about price point, and only crave top-of-the-line performance at any cost. These folks now have to look to Apple, as the dual 2Ghz looks poised to take the (consumer) speed crown.

[clarkgoble]

Umm, I don't think the dual G5 is really a regular consumer box. I mean the dual Xeon is around the same price. If the dual G5 is consumer, then presumably so is the dual Xeon or dual Athalon or so forth.

I don't think most consumers are willing to pay more than $3000 for a computer.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
I don't think most consumers are willing to pay more than $3000 for a computer.

The dual G5 is $2999.

[DeathMan]

Which is exactly why apple needs to filter down the G5 into its all in ones as quickly as possible.

Then we can say:

"psshht, my little sister's eMac can take your Intel box. "

I say get a 32 meg graphics card (at least, BTO 64MB) in everything, and a single G5 in the consumer, and let the difference between pro and consumer be expandablitity and dual chips.

I'm a pro, and I'd pay the extra money, even if the eMac could smoke a pentium.

[Loopydude]

Apple's gotta do this in rev. B of the G5:

Drop prices 10-20%

Single and dual processors down the entire line.

1.6 GHz G5 eMac, iMac, costing no more than today's G4 versions.

They do this, they'll sell machines like hotcakes.

[Graymalkin]

I'm thinking the 1.6GHz G5's motherboard is more than a one off deal. I'd bet that Apple is going to move the low end G5 into the G4's low end spot at around $1599. The low end (no PCI-X, 4GB memory limit) motherboard might be cheaper overall to manufacture and if the SuperDrive was downgraded to a Combo drive the price point might work. The low end motherboard ought to scale alright to higher bus speeds making the low end system upgradable to say 1.8GHz or even 2GHz down the line.

I think they've started the G5s at $1999 to keep a market open for the current stock of G4s. You can pick up a pretty decent G4 for $1299. Once the G4 PowerMac has been canceled I think the low end G5 will enter the sub-2000 price range and stick there like the low end PowerMacs always have. Using the inferior but cheaper motherboard would give buyers of the more expensive systems a better incentive to upgrade. The difference between a low end G4 and a mid range G4 has never been horribly signifigant. Adding a SuperDrive and a larger hard disk isn't worth the huge jump in price between $1699 and $2499. A real performance advantage would make the mid range G5s more enticing but also leave a means for people to get a fast G5 at a lower price.

[juanpacolopez]

Originally posted by clarkgoble:
Umm, I don't think the dual G5 is really a regular consumer box. I mean the dual Xeon is around the same price. If the dual G5 is consumer, then presumably so is the dual Xeon or dual Athalon or so forth.

I don't think most consumers are willing to pay more than $3000 for a computer.

Average joe consumer wouldn't pay that, no...

But in my circle of friends, we're all at the age where we're out of college (or mostly done) and have "real" jobs but no hard core commitments (house/kids) just yet...

So yes, many of my friends ARE willing to spend $3k on a computer just because it's faster than anything else. To them it's a consumer machine They wouldn't buy a dual Xeon box, but there's not much benefit to having one over a 3Ghz P4 w/ HT if you're not using it for server-type work.

The fact that Apple will have just about the fastest machine you can buy on the budget my group of friends would have is the important point. It means many of them may very well make the big switch, simply because they want the fastest (and most of them oooh and ahhhh over OSX on my Ti even if they can't help bash the "speed inferiority" of the high-end gear).

[clarkgoble]

Once you add in the monitor and other needed stuff the dual G5 is over $3000.00.

I think that the G5 will have a lot of competition once the Athalon-64's are out. Expect AMD to turn up the heat. The problem with Xeons is, as you note, not many know about them and you don't see them much in anything but servers. Athalon-64 may shake things up a bit.

I'm still curious of what optimized benchmarks will look like. Especially the photoshop tests.

[Link]

Currently IBM and AMD are perhaps holding the best potential chips in the industry. With the quickly developing G5 which has doubled the powerpc's chip speed and has no plans to slow down, and AMD's opteron which almost totally frees the chip from the old x86 architecture.

Basically while AMD and IBM are getting the power/server market intel is going to be stuck with the consumer market

:shrug: I have no doubt the IBM 970 is a very powerful chip, basically it's the little brother of the power4 they used in the ascii white.

[chrisutley]

Originally posted by Loopydude:
Apple's gotta do this in rev. B of the G5:

Drop prices 10-20%

Single and dual processors down the entire line.

1.6 GHz G5 eMac, iMac, costing no more than today's G4 versions.

They do this, they'll sell machines like hotcakes.

Why?

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Loopydude:

They do this, they'll sell machines like hotcakes.

I hate hotcakes.

[terrancew_hod]

I'd be happy if they advertised the OS and the machines better than a 20sec spot of someone getting blown out of their house...

Maybe they're waiting until panther comes out...

Terrance

[osiris]

Originally posted by terrancew_hod:
I'd be happy if they advertised the OS and the machines better than a 20sec spot of someone getting blown out of their house...

Maybe they're waiting until panther comes out...

Terrance

What will happen then? Will a a G5/Panther user get shot into space? heh, I hope.