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hunkhuang · Aug 25, 2003, 10:18 AM

ThinkSecret reports that Apple is readying an iMac update and provides detailed specs from "reliable sources".

The new machines are said to be released with Mac OS X 10.27 and have 2 base models: 15" and 17" with processor speeds of 1GHz and 1.25GHz respectively. New models are reported to receive larger hard drives, graphics card updates, and USB 2.0. But no FW800

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iomatic · Aug 25, 2003, 12:18 PM

..crap. Just taking delivery today of my custom 1GHz.

Oh well. I need it now, and got my ROI, so who's complaining, right?

hunkhuang · Aug 25, 2003, 01:46 PM

ROI ?? what is ROI ??

well, after reading the news, i found that the differences are minor ...

BrunoBruin · Aug 25, 2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by iomatic:
..crap. Just taking delivery today of my custom 1GHz.

If TS is to be believed, the only difference will be a slightly faster processor anyway, and those upgrades are always on the horizon. It's the 15 that's getting the bigger overhaul, which it definitely needs.

businezguy · Aug 25, 2003, 03:02 PM

Pretty crappy video cards in the upgrades.

vsurfer · Aug 25, 2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by businezguy:
Pretty crappy video cards in the upgrades.

What no G5?
Wouldn't even bother.

iomatic · Aug 25, 2003, 07:57 PM

really? in what way...i don't know squat about GeForce cards; but that 64MB is better (marginally) than 32MB. It's the graphics processor and subsystem that makes a difference in performance, right?

so it's sitting here. should i open the box...?

Originally posted by businezguy:
Pretty crappy video cards in the upgrades.

Peder Rice · Aug 25, 2003, 08:08 PM

The 17" model looks pretty good, though the lack of a 7457 G4 processor is disappointing; a bus-speed and cache increase would have been nice.

hunkhuang · Aug 26, 2003, 10:13 AM

i'm using 17" now... d'you think the imac's design would be different??

murbot · Aug 26, 2003, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by hunkhuang:
ROI ?? what is ROI ??

Really Old iMac?

Return On Investment

Nebrie · Aug 26, 2003, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by hunkhuang:
ROI ?? what is ROI ??

well, after reading the news, i found that the differences are minor ...

Return on investment

iMacBliss · Aug 27, 2003, 07:19 AM

So WHEN will the long-awaited 19" iMacs be launched ?

slider · Aug 27, 2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by iMacBliss:
So WHEN will the long-awaited 19" iMacs be launched ?

What? That would look too funny.

Eriamjh · Aug 27, 2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by iMacBliss:
So WHEN will the long-awaited 19" iMacs be launched ?

Long awaited, but not recently rumored. I don't expect them EVER.

hunkhuang · Aug 27, 2003, 02:11 PM

soon.... but i always dont like apple not to inform us the correct date. I5t's unfair to people who buy iMac these days ....

hasapi · Aug 27, 2003, 07:47 PM

Am I the only one that thinks 1.25G is a pretty weak update?. Further, 1.25G sounds like its the 7455 chip, the 7457 would have provided 1.33+ (now that would be decent for the 17", with just maybe a little L3). 1G should be fine for the 15" I suppose. The 17" price point brings the performance update of more concern. Looking to buy a 17" for xmas, hope its decent otherwise, ill keep my money in my pocket!.

Simon · Aug 28, 2003, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by hasapi:
Am I the only one that thinks 1.25G is a pretty weak update?. Further, 1.25G sounds like its the 7455 chip, the 7457 would have provided 1.33+ (now that would be decent for the 17", with just maybe a little L3).

Actually a 7455 running at 1.25GHz on a 167MHz bus would probably be a much better deal for everyday-use than a 7457 running at 1.33GHz on a 133MHz bus. Especially on an iMac where people do less pure number-crunching than on a pro machine.

Unfortunately the 7457 doesn't allow the 167MHz bus that the 7455 supports.

Re: 19"
I'm sure we all like that idea, but I would just like to remind you that when the 15" G4 iMac was first introduced people started dreaming about a 17" iMac within days. Nevertheless it took Apple many months to introduce the long-awaited 17". So, even if everybody thinks the next iMac has to be 19" I doubt we'll see it that early (if we actually ever do).

Simon · Aug 28, 2003, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by slider:
What? That would look too funny.

No.

Everybody said that too about a wide-screen 17" iMac when the 15" was released.

Nowadays you only see people raving about the looks of the 17" iMac. When I see a 15" iMac I think it looks rather weird compared to my 17" iMac.

I doubt 19" would look bad. Different maybe. But certainly not "funny".

BrunoBruin · Aug 28, 2003, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by hasapi:
Further, 1.25G sounds like its the 7455 chip, the 7457 would have provided 1.33+ (now that would be decent for the 17", with just maybe a little L3).

Moto has said the 7457 would ship at speeds UP TO 1.3GHz, not greater than. (Note, however, that Moto did not publicly offer 7455 chips higher than 1GHz until recently, even though Apple clearly used them since January. I suspect Apple gets exclusive access to the fastest chips for a period of time. Powerlogix claims to have samples of chips at 1.6GHz and said they expect to announce an upgrade card at that speed, so clearly, faster chips do exist.)

Simon, I have not seen anything suggesting that the 7457 supports only a 133MHz bus. There were rumors of a 200MHz bus (the Register claimed 200MHz as recently as June) but the last thing I remember was that it topped out at 167. Did you see something that said otherwise?

Simon · Aug 28, 2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by BrunoBruin:
Simon, I have not seen anything suggesting that the 7457 supports only a 133MHz bus. There were rumors of a 200MHz bus (the Register claimed 200MHz as recently as June) but the last thing I remember was that it topped out at 167. Did you see something that said otherwise?

The 200MHz bus speed for 74xx won't be here until the 7457-RM is announced.

I don't know any details on this other than what's floating around, but I've heard several times already that the 7457 in its current version will top at a 133MHz bus.

I hope that's either BS or that the 7457-RM is introduced very soon. However I really doubt that.

BrunoBruin · Aug 28, 2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
I hope that's either BS or that the 7457-RM is introduced very soon. However I really doubt that.

My understanding was that the -RM was to introduce a true DDR bus, therefore 400MHz. The 7457 would go to 200MHz and the -RM variant would effectively double that. (The RUMOR, however, was that the -RM was cancelled.)

I'm not a chip designer but since the 7457 is supposed to improve on the 7455 in several ways, I can't imagine why it would support a SLOWER bus speed. (I'm actually still hoping for 200MHz as the Register reported but I'll also be among the first to faint if it actually happens. The longer these upgrades take to appear, the LESS I expect!)

hunkhuang · Aug 28, 2003, 01:28 PM

so can our iMacs be upgraded a lil' bit?

19" is weird to me..hahaha...

MilkmanDan · Aug 28, 2003, 08:31 PM

My parents are in the market for a new iMac, their original blue iMac (I'm talking original, rev a iMac) is a bit old these days. Anyhow, what I'm getting at is I do hope they release a new imac configuration soon so they can get one, and I can stop having to worry about OS 9, and do tech support from college.

The major downside is, if they get a new iMac, it'll be faster than my 867 Quicksilver. Which hurts my Mac ego. Big time. Sigh....

hunkhuang · Aug 28, 2003, 09:14 PM

You know, i wish there's a chance for iMac users to trade-in our iMacs (old and new) to Apple centre and pay few hundred bucks and you can get a new iMac...

Hehehe.. lol, i know it sounds ridiculuos but i just dream of it to be happened !!

Triggerhappy · Aug 28, 2003, 09:52 PM

Anyone know when a G5 imac is planned,

Link · Aug 29, 2003, 07:17 AM

I still think the 17" looks funny.. the 15" is kinda cute but the 17".. is like it's bigger wider brother lol.

Still cute tho

19".. would be too big.. I think they'll be working on making finer LCDs before they use bigger ones.

thePurpleGiant · Aug 30, 2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by hunkhuang:
You know, i wish there's a chance for iMac users to trade-in our iMacs (old and new) to Apple centre and pay few hundred bucks and you can get a new iMac...

Hehehe.. lol, i know it sounds ridiculuos but i just dream of it to be happened !!

In 1996 when I purchased a Performa, Apple had a trade-in deal on older Macs.

Centris650 · Sep 2, 2003, 05:50 PM

Two weeks and counting. I'd like to see what kind of speed bumps the iMac will get. I really hope it gets a 1.3 but I kinda doubt it. I think a 1.25 is the best to hope for UNLESS the powerbooks go G5 with this upgrade. (Though that is doubtful too.)

Well, I'm keeping my ear to the ground for rumors.

Stradlater · Sep 2, 2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Triggerhappy:
Anyone know when a G5 imac is planned,

Yes,

Centris650 · Sep 2, 2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Stradlater:
Yes,

Care to let us in on it?

Stradlater · Sep 3, 2003, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Centris650:
Care to let us in on it?

Nobody knows when, but eventually it probably will happen. I was asking a question, using the same punctuation as the one before

Luca Rescigno · Sep 6, 2003, 04:58 PM

I'm in the market for a new desktop myself. My iBook is just too slow, despite being a nine month old 800 MHz version. So I wanted to pick up a G4 desktop. The main problem is that iMacs are overpriced. $1199 and $1699 for the two models, including educational discount. Meanwhile, the eMacs are $749, $849 and $1099 for the three models. That $849 Combo 1 GHz model seems like an excellent deal, but I still prefer LCDs over CRTs. I heard that there wouldn't be a price drop, but perhaps I could pick up a used 1 GHz Superdrive iMac for not too much money? I don't care if I have DVD burning or not, but I do want to increase the resolution of my screen (1024x768 isn't quite enough) and I want to see a significant speed gain over my iBook. How much do you think older 17" iMacs would go for once they're updated?

Centris650 · Sep 6, 2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
How much do you think older 17" iMacs would go for once they're updated?

Well, usually the old hardware drops anywhere from $100-$300 dollars. I can't see a drop of more than $300.

Speaking of price, I'm looking at an eMac for my office at work. With a tight budget and in need of a superdrive the eMac is head and shoulders the perfect computer for work. I just wish the eMac line would be upgraded before I buy one. I need to get the most bang for my buck as I can!

Luca Rescigno · Sep 6, 2003, 08:02 PM

Well they did get a fairly significant upgrade on May 6th, and it was the last computer Apple upgraded before the G5 was announced. I think you're fairly safe buying one now, but a good rule of thumb is to always wait until after the next event.

willab · Sep 7, 2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
I'm in the market for a new desktop myself. My iBook is just too slow, despite being a nine month old 800 MHz version. So I wanted to pick up a G4 desktop. The main problem is that iMacs are overpriced. $1199 and $1699 for the two models, including educational discount. Meanwhile, the eMacs are $749, $849 and $1099 for the three models. That $849 Combo 1 GHz model seems like an excellent deal, but I still prefer LCDs over CRTs. I heard that there wouldn't be a price drop, but perhaps I could pick up a used 1 GHz Superdrive iMac for not too much money? I don't care if I have DVD burning or not, but I do want to increase the resolution of my screen (1024x768 isn't quite enough) and I want to see a significant speed gain over my iBook. How much do you think older 17" iMacs would go for once they're updated?

For less than the price of the iMac you could get an eMac and a LCD and use the hack on the 7500 two have two screens.

Luca Rescigno · Sep 7, 2003, 11:30 AM

Hmm... eeeenteresting. I didn't think of that, for sure. If my current deal to trade the iBook for a PowerMac falls through, I'll certainly consider that.