True, Apple's low end continues to be high in it prices when compared to other machines on the market. However if a computer is a computer is a computer, just get a windows machine. For a good Mac OS X system 800 dollars is a pretty good price. Yes, I would like to see a better optical drive and more base ram, 256MB sounds reasonable. I don't think we will be an eMac update for a bit, although with G5's shipping, I am sure that will stir things up a bit.