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derekn · Oct 22, 2003, 10:44 PM

I got them in the mail today. Nothing that hasn't been published online, it's just the general info and a breakdown of what systems are covered. The claim form will apparently be coming soon. There's also info on here if you'd like to be exempted from the suit. A hearing will be on January 26th to decide if the current terms are "sufficient".

Eug Wanker · Oct 22, 2003, 11:23 PM

Another lame suit.

Westfoto · Oct 23, 2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Another lame suit.

Very much so.

We do not need this at all. Law suits only help the lawers, never benefit the person that it was intended to. ( what is the benfit of this anyway?)

jcadam · Oct 23, 2003, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Westfoto:
Very much so.

We do not need this at all. Law suits only help the lawers, never benefit the person that it was intended to. ( what is the benfit of this anyway?)

Hey, when they take the money extracted from apple with this lawsuit and split it a few million ways, you might get a whole $5.00

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Oct 23, 2003, 11:34 AM

So what is this one all about anyway?

derekn · Oct 23, 2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
So what is this one all about anyway?

The lack of support of OS X on a number of G3 systems. Beige G3s, B&W G3s, the first 2 CRT iMac revisions, The Powerbok G3s up to the Bronze keyboard. There's no DVD playback if it was a hardware decoding system, no graphics acceleration with the Rage Pro chips. There was DVD playback on them but you had have a Radeon PCI card and get the DVD player app extracted manually. Even then it was there but was a bit unreliable. Same with the Rage Pro acceleration, Apple added some support for them.

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/08/12/g3osx/

-Q- · Oct 23, 2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Westfoto:
We do not need this at all. Law suits only help the lawers, never benefit the person that it was intended to. ( what is the benfit of this anyway?)

Class action lawsuits don't help anyone. Some lawsuits do help the individual but we keep moving further and further away from that.

But in this case, this one certainly hasn't helped anyone.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Oct 23, 2003, 01:00 PM

Oh goodie, so I can look forward to getting $5 on my 5 year old computer. That is not worth mailing the papers!

monkeyspeak · Oct 24, 2003, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Oh goodie, so I can look forward to getting $5 on my 5 year old computer. That is not worth mailing the papers!

What do you guys know?

Here's the terms of the settlement: If you keep your copy of 10.0, Apple gives you a $25 gift certificate. If you send your copy back to Apple, you get a refund up to $129.

I don't know about you, but that's about half of my new iPod...

Graymalkin · Oct 25, 2003, 12:02 AM

I got my papers. I've been following the suit since it started because of the poor performance of OSX on my old Lombard. As OSX improved (quite significantly) I really lost interest. Puma was scores better than Cheetah was and Jaguar makes both of them look silly. When I put Jaguar on it the performance problems Puma and Cheetah had pretty much disappeared. With 10.2.5 Apple added support for the Rage Pro. Between Jaguar's release and my buying my 12" Powerbook I was using Jaguar full time on my Lombard without much of a problem. I sold the Lombard to my girlfriend and she's been using Jaguar without any problems either. I'm really looking to Panther's performance on it.

Because Apple really improved OSX since its introduction I think this suit is pretty dumb. I would like to see better hardware support in DVD Player so that Lombard can play something other than VCDs.

bojangles · Oct 25, 2003, 04:04 AM

Because Apple really improved OSX since its introduction I think this suit is pretty dumb. I would like to see better hardware support in DVD Player so that Lombard can play something other than VCDs.

I agree. However, this lawsuit is for owners of 10.0. If they would just send any affected owner a free copy of Panther (which from what I’ve seen in the two hours I’ve had it installed on my work G5, is even faster than Jag), I think that would be a reasonable settlement.

dantley · Oct 25, 2003, 09:53 AM

You *sold* your old a$$ laptop to your girlfriend? I don't see this relationship lasting.

Kenneth · Oct 25, 2003, 10:58 AM

I received the letter too..
Meanwhile, I'm typing on an iBook Rev. A 300Mhz on Panther here and I used to own 2 tray-loader iMacs. All on Mac OS X since the release of 10.0.

BigYellowMonkey · Oct 25, 2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by bojangles:
I agree. However, this lawsuit is for owners of 10.0. If they would just send any affected owner a free copy of Panther (which from what I’ve seen in the two hours I’ve had it installed on my work G5, is even faster than Jag), I think that would be a reasonable settlement.

That would be a great solution, except for one thing: the whole issue at stake here is the LACK of support for older systems in the new versions of OS X (namely panther). The beige G3's are no longer supported, and neither are any Powerbooks that did not come with built-in USB. I have 2 such machines: A beige g3/233 and a powerbook g3/266. Well, the powerbook never supported X. But either way, it doesn't affect me greatly, as the powerbook is running OS 9 to receive faxes and do backups via a SCSI DAT drive, and the beige is running 10.2 quite happily as a web/ftp/mail server. And we also have a blue&white G3 with a G4/500, an iMac 15" LCD G4/700, and a TiBook/800. However, there are certain people who don't have access to newer hardware, and from their point of view, Apple had no right to stop supporting these machines which have supported X up until this release.

I don't think that a suit would solve anything, because the best-case scenario is that you get $129 back if you still have your 10.0 CD's. However,for people like me who started using OS X when 10.2 was released, this isn't an option. And to tell you the truth, that doesn't really bother me. But hey, if you want to spend hours and hours of your time (which is probably worth more than $129 if you spent that time working instead of pestering apple), that's your business.
The only thing I can suggest is try to harass apple into giving you $129 back, or a part of it, but not through a lawsuit. Call them, and ask to talk to supervisors and managers and whatnot until you get to someone in a higher position who you can talk to. Inform them of the lawsuit, be nice about it, and say all you want is a refund if you send your CD's back. Don't make the lawyers any more money. They're obnoxious enough with what they have.

-Biggie!

damosan · Oct 25, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by dantley:
You *sold* your old a$$ laptop to your girlfriend? I don't see this relationship lasting.

If he said he sold the laptop to his wife then I'd have to agree with you.... A girlfriend? Naw...she can pay for it.

Damo

Graymalkin · Oct 26, 2003, 04:07 PM

I tend to agree with Apple's descision to drop support for excessively old machines. That isn't to say users ought to be cut off but Apple can't support old hardware forever. Half of the situation is Apple doesn't want to spend money supporting hardware bought five years ago, they would also like you to pick up some of their new hardware to make them some money. I'd probably do the same thing in their position.

That being said I don't think they should skimp on support for older machines that fall under the "Supported" umbrella. With 10.0-10.2 it was pretty bad of them to say OSX supported any G3 based system yet didn't even have an accelerated driver for the Rage Pro. It couldn't have been too hard for them to support the Rage Pro as they released a driver for it between said lawsuit and the 10.2.5 release.

I'd love to be able to buy a new Mac every years when they're released, I'd buy several at once. Since I do not have that sort of money lying around waiting to be spent (or much at all for that matter) I can't exactly afford to pick up a new system every time an OS release comes out. I went a little over three years between my Lombard and my AlBook. This is going to have to last me at least as long. As such I want Apple to make sure the hardware I buy now will at least work decently if they are going to tell me its supported. If OSX 10.5 House Cat says it only supports G4 based systems they better make sure my G4 based Powerbook works alright on it, even if it can't support every single features.

bojangles · Oct 26, 2003, 08:25 PM

The beige G3's are no longer supported…

I suppose you’re right. I wish they’d made that more clear. I’ve seen it in writing twice now (at the Apple Store in Indianapolis and on the G5 10.3 Upgrade page at Apple.com) that Panther required “any Macintosh with a G3, G4, or G5 processor.” I remember this specifically, because I had heard that 10.3 beta didn’t support beige G3s and was really excited that the final version did. Unfortunately, the new System Requirements page adds the phrase “built-in USB” to the list.

Anyway, I hear what you’re saying. My main Mac is a Rev. A beige G3 with the stock 266-MHz processor and the RAM maxed out at ¾GB. It runs Jag beautifully, although I suspect the old-world architecture may be responsible for some intermittent printing functionality. It really ticks me off that Panther isn’t supported (probably as a result of this lawsuit), because I just can’t afford a new Mac right now and was really psyched when I read (during the beta era) that Panther’s speed increase was, surprisingly, most noticeable on G3-based machines.

Guess I’ll have to live with Jag for a while… I can’t afford to blow $129 (or even $99) on an OS that likely won’t even work….