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What's the difference in the GeForce 5200 and the Radeon 9600? It's probably worth the $50 upgrade, but is it worth the BTO wait?
Layman's terms please....
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Originally posted by Gankdawg:
What's the difference in the GeForce 5200 and the Radeon 9600? It's probably worth the $50 upgrade, but is it worth the BTO wait?
Layman's terms please....
If you are a gamer, i definately recommend upgrading to the 9600. Although if the wait time for the bto is too long for you, the 5200 should suffice for casual gaming.
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Originally posted by CPU:
If you are a gamer, i definately recommend upgrading to the 9600. Although if the wait time for the bto is too long for you, the 5200 should suffice for casual gaming.
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That's what I figured. I haven't been a gamer because my current machine isn't powerful enough to run some of the current games.
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Whoa. Anyone else noticing the price drop on the 1.6? It went down $300 Canadian clams in the Education store.... 
$950 between the 1.6 and dual 1.8....and $550 between that and the dual 2. I'm thinking we've got ourselves a new price/performance winner introduced today....
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Ordered one. Opted for combo drive (as I already have a SuperDrive that I will swap out), Radeon 9600, and 250GB hard drive. Will have to order an additional 512MB RAM today from Crucial.
Shipping on or before 11-25. We'll see. 
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this is the results of today's annoucements:
Previous 1.6 buyer - aw shucks but life will go on... 
Soon-to-be 1.6 Buyer - woot i can get more ram for what i was going to pay! 
Previous 1.8 Single buyer - mad furious. will not ever buy apple again 
Soon-to-be 1.8 DP buyer - good thing i waited.
Dual 2GHz buyer- oh well no loss for having had the machine first dibs
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What is the usual BTO wait time?
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The DP 1.8 truly looks like a great machine.
Had I waited, I probably would have bought one of those instead.
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Being a previous 1.8 buyer I can truly say I am shocked at this release. I haven't had a computer go so much out of date so quickly ever before....
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Originally posted by AdvocateUK:
Being a previous 1.8 buyer I can truly say I am shocked at this release. I haven't had a computer go so much out of date so quickly ever before....
Lost for words...
Obviously you've never owned an imac/emac/PC.
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Originally posted by aerocatnd:
Obviously you've never owned an imac/emac/PC.
Yeah, you single 1.8 buyers got...
Punk'd!
I have a dual 2GHz, and I needed it when I got for work, but the dual 1.8GHz is the new hot ticket.
I agree with others, they should have released dual 2.2 and dual 1.8 this time around. The dual 2 makes less sense now.
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Originally posted by sodamnregistered2:
Yeah, you single 1.8 buyers got...
I agree with others, they should have released dual 2.2 and dual 1.8 this time around. The dual 2 makes less sense now.
So Apple should introduce a faster model when the entire reason for the new dual 1.8 is to reduce the drain on those fast (rarer) 2.0's ? Come Feb. the chip fab process should be up to the task of 2.4 GHz chips but right now I think they want to use more of their surplus of 1.8's and 1.6's by making them more attractive and less of their 2.0's. I think it is very telling that IBM is releasing info that a dual 1.6 will be used in their OWN blade servers.
It could be Apple is using every 2.0 chip IBM can make right now and Apple sees the opportunity to clear out inventory of slower chips and reduce the backlog of all those 1.6 and 1.8's they paid for. By selling a popular dual 1.8 they can accomplish this and make a whole bunch of Mac users happy as well (well not those poor souls that bought the single 1.8's  ).
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I was so close to getting a single processor 1.8, but got a dual 2.0. I would be very very very pissed right now if I didn't change my mine. This is the first time I've come out on top during an Apple refresh. 
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picked up a 1.8 a few weeks ago, and am now shooting myself. figured nothing would change in the G5 line up until the next revision.
i'm going to go think of some new ways to further torture myself....
have to admit, the single 1.8 is still a great machine.
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Originally posted by GabeRiles:
have to admit, the single 1.8 is still a great machine.
You just keep telling yourself that 
Anyway, Ima buy me a DP1.8 soon, now
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I am so glad I stayed clear of the G5 and opted for the G4 Dual 1.25 - Saved Money and looks like I saved some frustration too. I still can't believe the revision on these has happened so soon, I was seriously thinking of the single 1.8 G5 at the time of release, sure glad I didn't now.
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Originally posted by Gankdawg:
What's the difference in the GeForce 5200 and the Radeon 9600? It's probably worth the $50 upgrade, but is it worth the BTO wait?
Layman's terms please....
The 5200 is an absolute dog. A GeForce4Ti would be able to outperform that junk. Go for the 9600 - it's definitely worth the $50 extra. You won't regret it.
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Originally posted by saru boy:
The 5200 is an absolute dog. A GeForce4Ti would be able to outperform that junk. Go for the 9600 - it's definitely worth the $50 extra. You won't regret it.
What he said.
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damn, if I had some money, like in about 3500 euros, right now, I would know what to do.
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hehe, same here! 2700 to be exact... just two minor problems...
1) i cannot find a single reason, application or something that warrants me buying this G5... my powerbook runs all the apps i use perfectly and the occasional iMovie project just takes some time :-) just the me-wanna-wanna-have factor...
2) ehhh, now where did i leave that stack-o-euroos? it must have been here somewhere!
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Originally posted by BrettOZ:
I am so glad I stayed clear of the G5 and opted for the G4 Dual 1.25 - Saved Money and looks like I saved some frustration too. I still can't believe the revision on these has happened so soon, I was seriously thinking of the single 1.8 G5 at the time of release, sure glad I didn't now.
I would rather have the 1.8 single processor over a G4, even if it is dual processor.
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Heh, pretty good. Yeah the single 1.8 buyers must be really mad. ON top of that they probably won't get much for them on e-bay. I have the dual 2.0 but would have bought the dual 1.8 in a heartbeat. Don't get the 5200 if you play games at all. Its a POS. For a $2500 machine it should come with at least the 9600 if not a 9800. One of the resons PC buyers laught at us...
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yeah, i pre-ordered a single 1.8ghz. i was well aware of the fact that, at some point, it would either drop in price, or the whole line would end up with dual processors... but i figured that it would last 6 months until the revision, and if so thenthat is what i expected, and i would have no problem with that...
but less than 3 months after i get this thing, it is discontinued for a computer that is fundamentally a different machine..
what really infuriates me is that this was not a 'standard' speed bump by any means. i mean, think about it... we are talking about a different logic board and an extra processor, for 100 bucks more...
it immediately, and artificially devalues my computer significantly. i know that computers are not a great investment, but i would think that if i tried to sell my brand new, near top of the line computer a couple months after i got it, that i could sell it for maybe 200-300 bucks less than i paid... that's fine...
but i really wonder if i could even get 2k for it... maybe not even 1900, because so many vendors have 1.8SP's left, and are selling them for 2100 bucks...
it's just unreasonable... it's not as if the people who ended up with single 1.8's knew that they had made it almost completely through a standard generation shift... these things JUST came out, and they are now obsolete, essentially...
it's just so frustrating... it indicates two things, imo: 1. that the single 1.8 was overpriced from the beginning and 2. that apple could have, and possibly should have sold a dual 1.8 from the beginning....
but i dunno... maybe i have it all wrong... but this just doesnt seem right.. blah
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what really infuriates me is that this was not a 'standard' speed bump by any means. i mean, think about it... we are talking about a different logic board and an extra processor, for 100 bucks more...
It's the same motherboard actually.
1. that the single 1.8 was overpriced from the beginning and 2. that apple could have, and possibly should have sold a dual 1.8 from the beginning....
Before the G5 announcement, I was expecting a single mid-range to be about the price it initially sold for, but I thought the top-of-the-line dual would be something like 3199. I was surprised when I saw the pricing.
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Remember the olden days, where everyone whined about every possible thing? Ahh. Those days are back.
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Originally posted by dantley:
I would rather have the 1.8 single processor over a G4, even if it is dual processor.
http://www.xbench.com/
The Dual G4 will beat the single G5 most of the time. However if you are a gamer and play games or use apps that don't understand two processors sure the single is better. But if you need to render anything, you should go for the Dual G4.
But hey you beat the system and got a dual G5 best of both worlds.
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Originally posted by dantley:
I would rather have the 1.8 single processor over a G4, even if it is dual processor.
Not for the money that I have saved ;-)
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My condolences to those who got their 1.8 single-processor G5 before Tuesday. I was on jury duty for so long (seven weeks starting when the g5 was introduced!) that I wasn't able to order until late Tuesday, when prices started to fall at ClubMac and MacConnection.
On Wednesday, MacConnection also lowered the price on Item #453236 and I ordered it. Total RAM=1.5 GB. Free shipping. They haven't sold out yet.
That's why I'm posting (not to rub it in; as I said, I feel for those who missed out), in case anyone else is looking for the single-processor 1.8.
And thanks again to Judge Duncan for keeping me out of the market all those weeks.
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Originally posted by UrQuattro:
yeah, i pre-ordered a single 1.8ghz. i was well aware of the fact that, at some point, it would either drop in price, or the whole line would end up with dual processors... but i figured that it would last 6 months until the revision, and if so thenthat is what i expected, and i would have no problem with that...
but less than 3 months after i get this thing, it is discontinued for a computer that is fundamentally a different machine..
what really infuriates me is that this was not a 'standard' speed bump by any means. i mean, think about it... we are talking about a different logic board and an extra processor, for 100 bucks more...
it immediately, and artificially devalues my computer significantly. i know that computers are not a great investment, but i would think that if i tried to sell my brand new, near top of the line computer a couple months after i got it, that i could sell it for maybe 200-300 bucks less than i paid... that's fine...
but i really wonder if i could even get 2k for it... maybe not even 1900, because so many vendors have 1.8SP's left, and are selling them for 2100 bucks...
it's just unreasonable... it's not as if the people who ended up with single 1.8's knew that they had made it almost completely through a standard generation shift... these things JUST came out, and they are now obsolete, essentially...
it's just so frustrating... it indicates two things, imo: 1. that the single 1.8 was overpriced from the beginning and 2. that apple could have, and possibly should have sold a dual 1.8 from the beginning....
but i dunno... maybe i have it all wrong... but this just doesnt seem right.. blah
Next time buy the TOL product.
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Its unfortunate that so many SP1.8 owners are kicking themselves and getting mad at Apple, but what was Apple to do? They are a computer company, and must make money. If they believe that they needed to release a mid-line machine with two processors for marketing or financial reasons, then that's what they had to do.
I'm not being an Apple apologist, I'm just looking at a business that made a marketing decision. Remember when the PowerMac G4 667MHz model cost the same as a dual 533MHz? The 667MHz model was discontinued only a few months after it was released, since virtually no one was buying them.
There's no way to update a machine without pissing someone off. Think about all the poor Dell customers who get ripped off day after day by Dell's just-in-time pricing. Its hard to get the same price on a machine two days in a row. Example: I ordered a Dell Inspiron laptop for my sister (she needed a PC), and two days later I was showing a friend what I ordered for my sister. I picked the same items, but got a lower price. I called Dell to get a price adjustment, and the phone jockey said he couldn't make the changes since the difference was due to "promotional savings" rather than a retail price drop. He did suggest, however, that I cancel the order and re-order the machine. Dontcha just love bureaucracy?
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Well I picked up my dualie 1.8 from the Apple store yesterday and is this thing sweet. It has everything you'd expect, plus the licenses to Art Director's Toolkit and GraphicConverter, which was a nice touch for this graphics pro.
And finally I am able to see InDesign work the way nature intended. Life is good. 
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Originally posted by dantley:
Next time buy the TOL product.
TOL?
I don't understand any acronyms.
While on the subject, what does LMAO mean?
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Originally posted by Truepop:
TOL?
I don't understand any acronyms.
While on the subject, what does LMAO mean?
Top Of the Line
Laughing My Butt Off
Yeah, I feel bad for the single 1.8 owners. Is it not possible to return them? They are still so new..! Ouchie. I bet $1900 is about what you'd get for them, too. 
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I am SO glad I didn't buy the Single 1.8 G5 when I was going to. I mean look how quickly it became an outdated POS. I wouldn't pay $1.00 on eBay for one of those.
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Every G5 buyer should get the free Apple Pro card from the Apple retail stores. It gives you a free 30-day trial period. In other words, if a new G5 comes out within your 30-day trial period, there's no financial penalty for upgrading to it or even for returning the original G5 if you're not happy with it.
It also gives you 10% off any software you buy on one particular day.
As far as new models coming out right after you've bought, I advise only buying end-of-life models because you'll never see an upgrade to that model. Voilà: your Mac will never be upstaged!
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Originally posted by jasong:
I am SO glad I didn't buy the Single 1.8 G5 when I was going to. I mean look how quickly it became an outdated POS. I wouldn't pay $1.00 on eBay for one of those.
I am holding on to my Fat Mac until computers stop getting faster
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yay, thanks for the insightful post. my life has changed.
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So... I'm one of those who bought a single G5 1.8 and am now feeling the sting...
Can another processor be put on the motherboard?
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Originally posted by Frogbrother:
So... I'm one of those who bought a single G5 1.8 and am now feeling the sting...
Can another processor be put on the motherboard?
Actually, according to Apple's G5 Tech Note,
The processor module is a separate logic board that contains one PowerPC G5 microprocessor. Dual microprocessor configurations contain two identical PowerPC G5 processor modules.
The processor module is connected to the main logic board by a 300-pin connector. To achieve the required level of performance, the signal lines that connect the processor module and the main logic board are carefully matched in length, loading, and impedance.
Still, likely a while before they get sold on eBay for parts. And the some firmware might be set up to intentionally disable something like that.
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Wonderful...
What a stab in the back for single 1.8 G5 users!
I have not had one day where my machine has run solid! Great of apple to screw me so much. And now to have a dual 1.8 for only $100 more?!!!! Double Stab in the back for me!
   
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New processor, new arch, new case, etc. so it really should be no suprise to anyone who has followed Apple or any computer trends for that matter that the pace of advancement vs. price for new technology is expensive at first while the early adopters soak of all the burden of the R&D. Once thats paid for, the the price levels off fairly quickly. Just look at the speed vs. price of the first G3 and G4 towers, the first DP G4's and so on. The first generation always ends up being the Slowest AND the most expensive within their processor family. My guess is that the Entry level within a years time will be at least a DP G5 2-2.2GHZ. Perhaps then we will even have a full 64 bit OS or at least some 64 bit pro apps that can address more than 2GB of RAM!(Photoshop, cough, cough). That's the time to buy if one wants the most performance for the least price AND the least amount of Headaches. Which is why I ended up also going with the previous Gen DP G4 1.25 GHZ. No surprises, no headachs = very productive mature system. And it cost as an Apple Refurb $1399. The bleeding edge is fine if you have the time and money to be the guinee pig.
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Since I bought my 1.8ghz approx. 1 week before the new dual, I opted to pay the restocking fee of 10% plus $100 for the new dual. I hope it is worth it.
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Am I the only one that is a little skeptical of the cost:benefit ratio of dual processors? I know that with every new release of OS X, more processes are dual processor-aware (multithreaded), and that this is much more mature compared to Windows' multithreading.
Looking at MacWorld's and MacAddict's benchmarks, the dual 2.0's were only 10-20% faster than the single 1.8 in a lot of tasks. Even in Photoshop, the dual 2.0's were not twice as fast as the single 1.8's (although close using the Dust & Scratches Filter).
One more processor = one more potential variable to get mucked up, one more fan to make noise. If/when 3GHz upgrade modules come out in a few years, it will be cheaper to upgrade one processor rather than two.
Then again, maybe I'm in denial for having gotten a single 1.8 just 3 weeks ago...
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When speed matters is when the 2nd processor comes in handy. ie. the hardcore Apple apps etc. are very dual optimized. Many apps are not.
I'd love to have a single 1.8, and I think it's a great machine. But I'd love even more to have a dual 1.8 for $100 more.
Personally, I still think they should have kept the single 1.8, for say, $2099.
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Originally posted by UpgradeManiac
Am I the only one that is a little skeptical of the cost:benefit ratio of dual processors?
No, you aren’t the only one. I bought a Dual 867 exactly one year ago and sold it six months later. Two reasons: it was very noisy and it just didn’t seem that fast. For me the DP was overkill because I use Photoshop only occasionally, rarely have more than two or three apps open at once and don’t edit movies on my machines. I think the SP1.8 is a great machine and think its sad that anyone really regrets owing one just because Apple introduced the DP 1.8.
I’ll be even blunter. In spite of what Apple has been saying over the last two years, there is no “megahertz myth.” A SP at 2.4 ghz is a better, faster machine than a DP 1.8. When Apple gets to 3+mhz we will see them talking mhz! All the performance tests I’ve seen lately back up what I’m saying—unless you do very heavy Photoshop work the second processor is tremendously underutilized. So a faster SP will overall, feel much faster. We only see DP machines because Apple can't get the faster processors yet. When they can we will see fewer DP machines from Apple.
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I will never own a single again. My Dual 2GHz G5 I can see one processor get maxed out and the second at zero allowing me to switch to other apps and so what I likes with no noticeable speed hit.
It is not just about apps that will max out both processors at once even though Photoshop and iPhoto do a damn good god at that!
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Originally posted by WizOSX:
I’ll be even blunter. In spite of what Apple has been saying over the last two years, there is no “megahertz myth.” A SP at 2.4 ghz is a better, faster machine than a DP 1.8. When Apple gets to 3+mhz we will see them talking mhz! All the performance tests I’ve seen lately back up what I’m saying—unless you do very heavy Photoshop work the second processor is tremendously underutilized. So a faster SP will overall, feel much faster. We only see DP machines because Apple can't get the faster processors yet. When they can we will see fewer DP machines from Apple.
Totally disagree. A dual 1.8 G5 would spank a single 2.4 GHZ G5 in PS, video apps, encoding and any type of heavy usage and general responsiveness. My brother just bought my old dual 800 G4 to replace his single G4 800 MHz iMac and he says he's shocked how much better the system responds and he does no PS, FCP or DVD stuff. Sure the iMac lacks an L3 cache but the difference shouldn't be so noticeable.
Apple, and IBM for that matter, are pursuing cheaper multiple processors rather than single CPU designs. Intel is pursuing Hyper-Threading which makes one chip appear as two to the OS to eliminate bubbles in the pipelines. Why is this important? Well because you can expect to see more and more software on the PC to become SMP aware and subsequently more multi-threaded. OSX, and it's included apps, is becoming more and more multithreaded in each revision.
The next version of the G5/6 will also include a more impressive version of Hyper-Threading as well and a dual cpu machine will appear as 4 CPU's. Intel's new P4EE runs at 3.2 GHz and costs around $950. The 2.0 GHz G5 is rumored to cost less than $400. IBM is going to have 3.0 GHz G5/6's running by the end of next year but I think IBM/Apple are committed to keeping duals for the foreseeable future because it means 2x's as many chips consumed by Apple to help economies of scale and IBM is putting duals into their own blade servers as well. As it gets more difficult to scale speed, and eventually it will - Intel seems to have hit 3-3.2 GHz and slowed it's pace somewhat, the other option is to use more CPU's and the entire industry seems poised to go that way.
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In CPU intensive apps, the L3 cache in the PPC 7450 and 7455s makes a big performance difference. In some cases, like games, an 800MHz G4 7450 with no L3 cache might perform about the same as a 500MHz G4 7400 due to architectural differences (size of L2 cache, 1 MB vs 256KB).
I'd take a dual 1.8 over a single 2.4 GHz machine any day. Multitasking is very important to me.
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If you do ANYTHING involving graphics or sound, you will appreciate the second processor. And that's most everyone nowadays w/the iApps...
This is my first dual machine, and I will never go back... in fact, I didn't buy a single 1.8 even though I was VERY tempted.
Boy am I glad I waited. Apple rewarded me this time for being patient.
Xmas is coming... and Daddy needs a new toy!
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Mine arrived yesterday. Everything is going smoothly except for that stupid MS network check that doesn't allow you to run Entourage on 2 machines. I don't want to that, but in order to get the database from one machine to the other, I had to burn a CD on my old machine and then load it onto the G5. Tried copying via network, would not work.
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