[Intranos]

The G3 beige tower has an external scsi port and on the mother board immediately next to it is a narrow (50) pin scsi socket. The main HD in the tower is an Ultra Wide scsi drive (68 pin) signal connected through an Adaptec scsi controller. All this is factory installed.

The CDROM is IDE and is signal connected through one of two IDE sockets on the mother board next to the external scsi port.

So, Changes are made: an IDE 40GB HD is bolted in place in an empty bay and connected through a new IDE cable to the motherboard and power applied via a Molex connector from the PS.

The IDE drive is newly erased and initilized by the party who sold it and shows up on the desktop when the computer is energized. The drive is set to "Master" and is recognized in Apple System Profiler.

The computer is running under OS 9.1 on the scsi drive and is about to have OS X installed on the IDE drive.

Using Jaugar CDs the IDE drive is partitioned as 1) 7.23GB and 2) 30.04GB for two new volumes. The installation of OS 10.2.3 goes along very well and on restart OS X controls the computer. The two partitions of the of the large drive are visible and the scsi drive with OS 9 is visible. Now the problem starts.

In order to insure that the computer is in fact a "dual" boot computer I used the Starup disk control in System Preferences and selected the scsi drive and then selected "Restart" On restart the computer booted into OS 9and the scsi drive and only the scsi drive displayed. Apple System Profiler shows that the IDE bus has no drive mounted. OS 9 Control Panel Startup Disk does not "see" the IDE drive. OS 10.2.3 Intall disk under Disk Utilities Startup disk does not see the IDE drive.

What now??? Any clues or hints to get this corrected??

Thanks Intra nos

[WizOSX]

You likely did what I did a week or so ago. When you formattd the IDE hard drive in OsX (Jaguar disk) you probably did not check the box which said to install the Os9 drivers. If you didn't, then Os9 will never be able to see the IDE drive.

[Intranos]

Thank you Wiz. I just came from reading the thread of your mishaps here and was about to go to the OS X forum to be further enlightened. You have saved me a trip.

The computer belongs to a friend who I "helped" Now I need to fix my helpfulness.

Did you use two HD or have you settled for just one? We are hoping to maintain two HD for now as he has some very old financial apps on the scsi HD and we need the security of knowing that they are safe there for the time being before trying to bring them over.

Next Q

We noticed that we had been able to try "Classic" while booted in X and were given a dialog box asking for a "Classic" System Folder. The dialog box suggested the scsi HD and the OS 9 System Folder. I presume this is correct?

So what will happen when we move all his files to the IDE HD and want to run Classic? If we remove the OS 9 HD as we are planning where will OS X find a Classic System Folder?

Thanks Intra nos

[WizOSX]

1) Did you reformat and reinstall OsX on the IDE drive, including the Os9 drivers? If you did then all will be fine from here on in (a pain, I know, but required here). This time around I used one hard drive with 3 partitions. One partition has Jag, one has Os9 and the third (the large one) is for whatever else. I had to partition because OsX will only boot if it is within a **less than** 8gb partition on beige G3's. I'm not a fan of partitions otherwise.

2) OsX can find Os9 for classic either on the same partition, a different partition or a different drive. I've done it all 3 ways.

3) When you disconnect the SCSI drive, install Os9 on the IDE drive. Then you will have both Os9 and OsX installed on the drive, which is fine with both Os's. Startup will tell the machine which to boot from. This Os9 can be used for either Classic or startup. Again, you can have OsX and Os9 on the same partition or different partitions, it doesn't matter. Just be sure that you install Os9 9.2.2. Classic won't work with anything older than 9.2.

[David Lee]

The post above was absolutely correct, the one about the OS 9 drivers. The checkbox must be checked, if it was not, as is obviously the case here, you must reinitialize the drive, put a check in the install OS 9 drivers box and of course all the work you did on the drive was in vain, (Sounds like an old Blues song!) as everything will be erased (BAckup time!).
I suggest you invest in an ATA 66 PCI IDE controller card, cheap now, as that will give you twice the performance or almost twice and there will be no problems with slave drives. The Series A Beige G3s had a bad controller that refuses to see slave drives and even the later B and C revisions are not nearly as good as a cheap ATA 66 PCI card. Getting the cables to reach the drive bays can be a hassle, disconnecting and connecting them with the case half open is the answer, but you must use 60 cm cables not 45cm the standard length.
I diaagree about OS 9.2.2, as I had OS 9.1 working quite well as classic to JAG, on basically the same machine, but of course 9.2.2 is better if you have it.
Good luck.

[djohnson]

Actually, there is an old application, System Startup or something like that, that will recognize OS X startup volumes even in OS9. If you need it, email me and I will send it your way.

[tooki]

So will the Startup Disk control panel in Mac OS 9.1 and higher, which is why the old System Startup program (way back from Mac OS X Server 1) is no longer needed or supported.

tooki