[digiology2]

Hi, Im going to install a new Maxtor 120GB ATA/133 HDD in my Dual (QS) 1Ghz G4. I am using OSX 10.1.5 and I wish to install panther on it with a partition for OS9. Whe I put the HD in my tower will it recognise it on startup? How do I format ect.
Also do I have to change my current HD to slave via a jumper and have my new HD as a master?

Would it be better to put the OS9 partition on my old hard drive (or even better, us my old os9.2.2 partition on the old HD) and keep the new HD just for MacOSX? Is it true that you can format in a more suitable way if MacOS9 isn't present?

[digiology2]

Just one more question, what figures tell me the speed of the HD? Is it the RPM or the ATA/133(whatever that means)?

My HD is ATA/66 with 7200RPM, as far as I know thats the standard HD that comes with my model.
This is faster right?

[Catfish_Man]

Both of the things you mentioned control speed, but I'd have to say the drive rpm is more important, since most drives get no where near the limits of ATA. ATA66 might limit things a little, but not very much.

[Arkham_c]

To answer your question, you use Apple's Disk Utility to format the drive for OSX.

[digiology2]

thanks, I might as well install panther on my new HD and keep all my old files on the old HD. Will I just be able to drag and drop my old files (documents, mp3 ect) from the old HD?
What about applications, how do I copy or backup all the files of apps, I understand most apps contain what they need in the package file. Can I just copy them over without problems(of course I'll loose my prefs)?

[David Lee]

1. Install the HD: the old HD is in the bottom slot of the 2 drive drive carrier, so it has to be set up (should already be) as the master drive. If you install the new drive in the top slot, the cable connecter for the slave drive should fit, so set that top drive as the slave using the jumper pins on the HD (should have a diagram showing how to do that on the drive). When you reboot after installation, the system will not "see" this drive. So..
2. Boot up from the Panther install CD and first initialize the new drive and then install panther and use the combo update package available on Apple's web site (downlaod this file before you start) to update immediately to 10.3.3. Then run the sofeware update from the system preferences Software update is set to launch automatically on the first bootup, but just quit and run the combo updater first).
3. Partitioning is a personal decision, everyone has their own opinion here. I do not partition my drives, prefering to have all the space available in one location, and fewer icons on the desktop. The classic system you use can be on the same HD, on the same or different partition, or n another HD. All of these work, some say one way is better or another, but I never use classic now is it is a mute point for me.
Good luck.

[digiology2]

thanks for the great reply, just few things....
If I decide I want my new HD as my master HD (I presume its more suitable to have the OS on the master) and my old HD as a slave do i have to change the physical positions of where they are (ie swap them around to the way you mentioned) or is adjusting the jumpers enough? Im trying to imagine what you explained because I don't want to open up my G4 until i backup which takes time.
As for patitions, i don't like them but I have a partition as far as I know with OS9 on one and OSX on the other but they seem to share the whole HD capacity, are they not partitions or are they just different ways of using the start up disk (ie starting different files depending on which OS is selected). I refering to the two entities that I am given to choose as my startup disk in the prefs, they are both on the same HD and I wonder are they different partitions or what?
I want to know this because i am curious as to if I will be able to startup in OS9 from my old HD with my old files even if I now have panther as my main os on a seperate HD, Im guessing it'll work fine.
Will os 9 be included on the new HD when panther is installed or is it just excluded?
I'd like to be able to erase my old HD you see because there are errors on it that apples disk utility wont fix!

thanks to everyone for the responses!

[reader50]

The OS X installer will not install OS 9. The best approach is to format the drive first, install OS9, then install OSX. If you have only one HD, partitioning is important to give you options if an OS install goes down in flames. Assuming you keep both HDs, you probably don't need to partition.

If you use OS X to do the format, be sure to check the box to install OS9 drivers - otherwise OS9 will not be able to boot from the drive, or see/mount the drive when you boot from OS9 on a different HD. If you format the drive from within OS9, the driver will get installed anyway.

Install OS9 on the drive first. You can do this by copying your OS9 System folder across, along with other folders such as Applications, Utilities, Internet, etc; or by running the OS9 install CD and applying all needed updates. It would be a good idea to boot into 9 and make sure it works, run OS9 Software Update, etc. Then reboot from the OSX installer to continue.

The OSX installer will offer to upgrade your OS by default, this means moving all your OS9 folders into a folder called Mac OS 9, and installing OSX on the rest of the drive. Boot from OSX, make sure everything is working, run X Software Update, etc.

Copy all your data and applications across if you have not already done so. When you reformat your original HD, everything *will* be lost, so grab anything of value first.

Repeat the format - install 9 - install X procedures on the original drive. When it's done, you will be able to boot from either HD, in OS 9 or OS X. Four different ways to boot in order to handle any disk problems in the future.

[digiology2]

Thanks, but surely I don't have to install OS9 on the new HD unless Im erasing it? I'd prefer to keep OS9 on a seperate partition for tidyness. Im going to get a better disk repairing program and fix the errors in my HD and hopefully I won't need to erase my old HD. If I do however, and I've just installed panther without OS9 on my new HD will I have to reinstall again with MacOS9 first and OSX second like you said or was that just your suggestion of how to do it?
Is there any problem installing OS9 on the same HD after I've installed OSX rather than before?
I see what you mean about four options, but I'd prefer 3 (Panther on new HD, OS9 and OS10.1 on old HD)


Cheers

[David Lee]

Your concept - Panther on new HD, OS9 and OS10.1 on old HD - should work fine, and it will not be absolutely necessary to reformat the old drive. You should use disk warrior on it though, just to make sure it is in good working order. Just for clarity sake, a partition looks like a "Volume" to the system, each should have its own icon mounted on the desktop.
Also each HD has partitions, one main one and a few invisible "maintenance partitions" - you do not need to know more about these or worry about them, the idea that a HD has partitions is important though. A aprtition is just an electrical division of the storage space, that is why it is called a partition!