[Switched2Mac]

AppleInsider Report on PowerMac G5 Delays

AppleInsider Sources:
Reportedly, IBM's Power PC G5 970FX chip has failed to yield even the baseline 2.0 GHz mark on a consistent basis, preventing Apple from introducing faster machines.

Great. Just great.

Everyone is dreaming about 3.0 gHz G5's and Apple cannot even get the new 970FX chip to run at 2.0 gHz reliably.

Bad news seems to come in waves too:

Symantec Ceases Development of Norton Utilities for Mac

Is Norton Anti-Virus for Mac next? I mean, the article said they were down to just a single guy working on the development. I wonder how many are working on NAV for Mac?

[Lateralus]

Cant you keep all this **** to your one thread?

[Switched2Mac]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Cant you keep all this **** to your one thread?

Is it really **** though?

You jumped me in the other thread. You ranted and raved about how wrong I was. You said my opinion was contrary to everyone else and was uninformed compared to the likes of you.

And yet, in the end, I was right.

And funny how the poll numbers line up with my prediction now that time has passed and others become disappointed with Apple's lack of new product. My prediction stands the test of time, although WWDC is not here yet. And while I am certainly not happy about the developments, you want to blame me for Apple's problems.

IBM and Apple have had this great business relationship since the G3 according to you. So how is it that their engineers missed something so blatant as this? How could this happen. They have had YEARS to consider, test and engineer this, according to you. Sounds to me like they waited to the last minute on this one. Because, as I predicted, being in the industry, there are always production and engineering issues that arise when two companies begin producing a new product (in this case the 970FX).

You were wrong. Apple & IBM, not me, are proving you wrong with each passing day. Please don't blame me for Apple's and IBM's failure in this situation.

And these failures are only setbacks. No doubt, Apple/IBM will produce the 3.0 gHz G5. But not anytime soon. And what of Steve Job's bold promise?

Dual 2.0 gHz G5 owners are probably basking in the knowledge that their machines are still top the heap ... and for the foreseeable future as well.

Let me ask you this. If Mac users don't demand and expect more from Apple, who will? You seem to think that Apple is above criticism. Blindly accepting delays, high-prices and slower products will yield just that. Apple reads the forums to get feedback. They may not act on it, but they surely take notice.

Now, why don't you take your cheerleader mentality over to the "Apple Can Do NO Wrong" forum where I am sure you will fit in quite nicely.

[Lateralus]

You need to get a grip. You also need to learn how to read.

Again, for about the 5th time, I will again tell you that from post 1 in the other thread, I agreed with a WWDC product release. So, I could not be wrong now could I?

Second, I am not wrong, nor are you right when it comes to the processor speed delays. You know nothing. I know nothing. Everything you post comes directly from rumor sites. It is all you know. It is all I know.

And regardless of how much of an ass you think I am, or how much of an ass I think you are... It has nothing to do with the fact that you should have posted this in the first thread. There was ZERO need to create this topic.

[Lateralus]

More over... it is still not WWDC. You have no reason to gloat about anything.

Oh, and I agree that people need to demand a certain level of product from companies. But all you do it bitch and spew negativity. It does nothing, at all. Especially when what you are spewing about is out of Apple's hands. In this case, the processor.

Also: Nobody cares about Norton. Did you buy it? If so, I feel sorry for you. I have not met one Mac user who has installed it on their machine. The only reason that you even brought it up was because development of it was cancelled. It gave you another piece of bad news to throw on top of the other bad news rumors you post.

[Switched2Mac]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
More over... it is still not WWDC. You have no reason to gloat about anything.

Oh, and I agree that people need to demand a certain level of product from companies. But all you do it bitch and spew negativity. It does nothing, at all. Especially when what you are spewing about is out of Apple's hands. In this case, the processor.

Also: Nobody cares about Norton. Did you buy it? If so, I feel sorry for you. I have not met one Mac user who has installed it on their machine. The only reason that you even brought it up was because development of it was cancelled. It gave you another piece of bad news to throw on top of the other bad news rumors you post.

I have purchased the following Macs in the last 2 years:[list=1][*]eMac[*]iMac 17" G4 1.0 gHz[*]12" PowerBook G4 1.0 gHz[*]15" PowerBook G4[/list=1]

How about you? How much have you contributed to Apple's bottom-line lately? Those 4 computers give me more than enough privilege to complain about Apple when they make mistakes.

My prediction, as clearly stated in that thread, was that there would be "No New PowerMacs until WWDC".

It was true March 13th (thread creation).

It is true April 12th (today).

It will be true the day before WWDC.

And, by the way, where is the your much touted Apple/IBM roadmap?

The one you kept stating supported your opinion? Seems no one can find it, even you. You could not provide any evidence or experience to support your view.

Apple had a nice lead for a change with the release of the PowerMac G5 last year. Even you will agree that last years WWDC was an exciting time. Things looked very promising and sales were increasing as was marketshare. And then, as is so typical, Apple falters on the verge of taking the next big step (Dual 3.0 gHz G5).

I am a DEMANDING customer. And I will NOT hesitate to point out Apple screwing up if I think that is what is happening. And that is exactly what is happening. Do you think that I am the only Apple user who is not happy with the current situation? Give me a break!

I grow tired of your pom-pom waving, cheerleader mentality.



Stop. Quit. Enough already. Take the blinders off.

But you know, I read your tagline and ask myself, why argue with this kid?

[Lateralus]

By the amount of complainng you do, I think it is very obvious that you have led a good life. I am happy for you. But for those of us who have led a life that has forced us to develop patience, please keep your constant bitching and complaining to one thread and spare us of your over abuse of the crying emoticon.

[driven]

From the original article:

Mirroring a move made on the Windows software side, and reflecting a long-term corporate strategy, Symantec has internally declared an "end-of-life" (EOL) to Norton Utilities for the Macintosh, sources tell AppleInsider.

Does this mean Norton Utilities for Windows is dead also?
(Just curious)

[Switched2Mac]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
By the amount of complainng you do, I think it is very obvious that you have led a well life. I am happy for you. But for those of us who have led a life that has forced us to develop patience, please keep your constant bitching and complaining to one thread and spare us of your over abuse of the crying emoticon.

Not at all. I have worked long and hard for the things I own. I have no reason to think that you would not have done the same.

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
IBM has been consistently ahead of schedule on G5 development.

So where are the speedbumps?

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Just remember, IBM has a very good track record of exceeding their own product roadmaps, they already did it with the 2GHz G5. They hadn't planned to have anything faster than 1.8GHz available until the fall. Plus, I doubt Steve would have made that comment unless he were pretty sure of IBM's capabilities.

These roadmaps that only you seem to know about.

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
But I am operating on promises from Apple, IBM's processor road maps...

You dodged the question. Please answer. Show us these roadmaps. It is a simple request.

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
But I still think you are dead wrong on the no-3GHz prediction. You have no reason to think that Apple will not deliver on Steve's promise of 3GHz in 12 months. Which is why I think you are overly pessimistic.

Still Think So? I have every reason to think that Apple will NOT deliver on Steve's promise.

They are having problems getting the 970FX to work reliably at 2.0 gHz now. Do you still insist that we will see a 3.0 gHz at WWDC? Or are you finally agreeing with me?

And as I have ALWAYS said, shipping 3.0, not announced 3.0 (and wait 2 months). Reread all my posts. I have made that distinction VERY clear.

I understand your frustration with Apple. I want my Dual 3.0 gHz PowerMac and I want it now. I will not be truly happy until then.

OK. Now for some positive discussion.

A few questions for you. And no, these are not designed to criticize you. As a Switcher, I am curious. I have asked this of other switchers. While you are not a Switcher, I am curious nonetheless.

When did you become an Apple user? Why did you become an Apple user? What is it about Apple that keeps you a Mac user?

[Switched2Mac]

Originally posted by driven:
From the original article:


Does this mean Norton Utilities for Windows is dead also?
(Just curious)

Not that I am aware of. I don't use it though.

Norton Utilities for Windows can be hit or miss at times. If it went away tomorrow, I sure wouldn't care.

NAV is great. But the rest of the package has had problems, IMHO, since the advent of Windows 2000. NU on NTFS does not give me a warm fuzzy.

[driven]

Originally posted by Switched2Mac:
Not that I am aware of. I don't use it though.

Norton Utilities for Windows can be hit or miss at times. If it went away tomorrow, I sure wouldn't care.

NAV is great. But the rest of the package has had problems, IMHO, since the advent of Windows 2000. NU on NTFS does not give me a warm fuzzy.

I gave up on NAV when they put that horrific product activation scheme into it. It had problems (such as de-activating itself). Reluctantly I authorized the purchase for a site-license of McAfee. :-(

[Lateralus]

You ask where the speed bumps are like any were promised for a specific date? Like I said, learn some patience.

I'll concede on the road maps... for now.

As far as your having no reason to believe that Apple will deliver on Steve's promise, well, I just find that plain laughable. If you wish to fall back on nothing but rumors, go right ahead.

Which brings me back to my point: Why is everything you post negative? Where were you in the days before the G5's release at WWDC, posting positive speculations threads for us? Where were you in the fall when all rumors pointed to signs of G5 development that was ahead of schedule? You certainly weren't here, creating positive threads or bragging about Apple and IBM's steps forward. Why did you suddenly show up with all these threads when rumors of G5 development started to turn negative...

What is it that you think you are accomplishing by copy-pasting every negative rumor that is posted around the net regarding the G5? I don't understand. I mean, if you think that what you are doing is honestly accomplishing something, please share. But as far as I can tell... you're just kicking up dirt while the rest of us are waiting for the next G5 release. The G5 release that, as much as we may want to, we cannot effect the launch date of.

The only thing keeping me from being totally convinced that you are a troll is that your posts are full of crying icons, rather than smilies. But that is all.

And again, please keep the stake burning to your one original thread. One thread is enough since you seem to post the same thing over and over.

[kupan787]

Originally posted by Switched2Mac:
Apple had a nice lead for a change with the release of the PowerMac G5 last year. Even you will agree that last years WWDC was an exciting time. Things looked very promising and sales were increasing as was marketshare. And then, as is so typical, Apple falters on the verge of taking the next big step (Dual 3.0 gHz G5).

How has Apple faultered?

Steve Jobs, at Apple Expo Paris in September of 2003, promised 3.0Ghz G5s by the end of summer 2004. Never did he promise interim speed bumps, nor did he promise anything else. Seeing as how it is not the end of summer yet, I don't see how Apple could have faltered on the next big step. Seems to me as if they still have 6 months to put out those 3.0GHz G5s...

[The Placid Casual]

Norton Utilities for Mac is no great loss, caused more problems than it was worth on occasion...

[Switched2Mac]

New PowerBooks?

While I really want a PowerMac, a new PowerBook wouldn't be bad either.