[rotuts]

Hello
Im reconditioning my old G3 B&W to give away to a school. its a G3 300ghz with 380 or somb ram

it had 10.2 or so on a 30GB hd I put in a surplus 80 gm hd and started the OS 10.3 CD. I erased the 80G as it had 10.3.3 from a Dual G4 and would not boot

I remember hearing that the OS for the Duals was different for the G3 mono

So I erased the 80, started the OS 10.3 setup. it of course took a long time, I remember this, abd then on restart to take disk II, nothing came up on the screen.

I started over and same thing. I can't get it to finish the installation of of 10.3

do I: try to put of 10.2 on it and then archive and intall 10.3 over that? do I put the origninal 30 GB HD bacik in with os 10.2 on it and upgrade that to 10.3.3 and them put in the 80 gb next to it and Clone from the 30GB ( assuming I get to 10.3.3) to the 80 and then boot from the 80 and erasae the 30?

any ideas would be welcome. Id like the schoool to get something decent and current

thanks rotut

[angelmb]

Originally posted by rotuts:
Hello
Im reconditioning my old G3 B&W to give away to a school. its a G3 300ghz with 380 or somb ram

it had 10.2 or so on a 30GB hd I put in a surplus 80 gm hd ...

Hum, a 300 MHz G3 is a revision A. I think you´ll have troubles adding a second hard disk. If your 30 GB hard disk works OK, I will keep it as the only hard disk. Being a 300 MHz you can think that Mac´ll not be used as a video creation computer. So the HD size´ll be more that enough...

I would add some RAM (start with 512 MB) and stick with the 30 GB hard disk, if you could find a cheap fastest CPU... and sure, use Panther on it.

[rotuts]

thanks angelmb

my 30GB HD had been partitioned into 3 x 10 GB partitions, so I wanted to make sure the G3 would 'work' with 10.3.3 rather than reformating the 30 into one partition first.

I may have to do that. the 80 GB has a cloned 10.3.3 from the G3 on it, and it is recognized in a LaCIe firewire enclossure.

the sys pref says I can boot from this firewire HD, but it won't boot.

MAYBE the G3 won't boot from a firewire HD?

maybe my jumper settings for the 80GB HD when its internal are wrong?

maybe the G3 has a GB HD limit?

the G3 has positions for 2 HD and power cables are in the machine. I just have to use a new 'ribbon' with two HD on the end and figure out the jumper settings. Id hate to have no use for a 80 GB HD

granted the g3 will not be used for video, but maybe an iPOD???

any ideas?

tanks rotuts

[Detrius]

If the G3 didn't come with a cable to connect a second hard drive, it doesn't support it. Regardless of whether it supports two hard drives, it definitely doesn't support cable select.

Your best bet is to put the second hard drive as slave where the Zip drive would install. This is still technically unsupported, but at least that bus supports a second drive on any of the G3s.

I'm not aware of a hard drive size limit, but my coworker was having difficulties with a similar big-drive situation a week or two ago. However, I have a B&W running just fine with two 6GB drives in the configuration I previously described.

[Cadaver]

The rev. 1 blue & whites also don't play nicely with modern high-capacity hard drives. My rev. 1 B&W won't work properly with a 60GB HD - even when it was the only drive in the machine (stock was 12GB).
Not sure what the best solution for you is.... I added a PCI-based UltraATA controller, but since you're donating the machine, I doubt you want to do this.
I'd suggest leaving the 30GB drive in place and putting 10.3 on that. Hang on to the 80GB drive for yourself, or donate it separately. I suspect you wont get it to work with the rev. 1 B&W's internal ATA controller (I couldn't).

But, FWIW, an OS install from a dual processor G4 should theoretically boot a G3 just fine. I booted a 2.5 year old iBook off a G5, no problem.

[angelmb]

Originally posted by rotuts:

MAYBE the G3 won't boot from a firewire HD?

Sad, but it is right, B&W G3 (Yosemite) does not support start from FireWire hard disk.

[Detrius]

Originally posted by angelmb:
Sad, but it is right, B&W G3 (Yosemite) does not support start from FireWire hard disk.

This was introduced with the Digital Audio G4's, the Dual USB iBooks, and the slot load iMacs with the latest firmware.

[angelmb]

Originally posted by Detrius:
This was introduced with the Digital Audio G4's, the Dual USB iBooks, and the slot load iMacs with the latest firmware.

I can´t remember the introduction date for those computers, but the Pismo (January 2000) also boots from FireWire.

[Hans M Aus]

Does Apple offer a G3 hardware upgrade that enables booting from a firewire disk?

[angelmb]

Originally posted by Hans M Aus:
Does Apple offer a G3 hardware upgrade that enables booting from a firewire disk?

No, that could be a Firmware update issue, but I fear that there is not a firmware update aimed to the G3 PowerMac that let it boot from firewire drives.