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why get a new 1.8 over an old one?
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Hi All,
From reading the specs of the two machines, I really don't know why someobody would buy one of the new dual 1.8's over the old dual 1.8's (besides the 8x superdrive, which is the only obvious advance, to my eye)
Especially as the old 1.8's are now going to drop in price (as long as they're around, which won't be long)
Chas
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Well, the sticker claims its costs $500 less; for that difference, it's worth it. If retailers sell the Rev. A DP1.8 for like $2200 or less, though, clearly the old one is a better machine.
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Be happy.
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My dealer has just phoned me to say that the old machine's price has dropped £200 today. Hmm...
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To me, even the price difference of the new machine does not make it a better deal because of the lack of specification...
The old one was a better deal... IMHO.
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That's what really jumps out at me, I don't think I've ever seen Apple do this before.
Maybe I'm missing something, maybe there is some overall combination of upgrades in the new 1.8 (system bus, memory type, video card?) that justifies it being a "good" purchase over the old one.
Me, I've been waiting patiently for the new G5s and can finally make a purchase. I'm now waffling between buying the new 2.0 and the old 1.8 (when I saw the new machines on Apple's site, I really thought that I was going to purchase the new 1.8, as I felt it would "logically" be an improvement over the old dual 1.8. Go figure!)
Chas
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Apple has to do something to distunguish the low-end machine from the middle-end. So they did.
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Although they are similar on the paper, they usually improve newer revs in other areas (ie fan types, mobo revisions etc. etc.)
I'd buy the old one for 200$ less though
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Its a stopgap. Like the old single 1.8.
I don't know how the CPUs connect to the motherboard on a G5, but if its possible to a fit a dual CPU module in place of a single (like you can on some of the G4s?), then it looks like Apple have taken the mobo from the single 1.6, and slapped a dual 1.8 module on it with a faster superdrive. And thats it.
This one will bow out to leave the dual 2 as bottom of the range.
Will the new top end machine be 3GHz? How long will it be?
Who knows...
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You ppl act surprised.
Remember when the Dual 1.25Ghz G4 was king? What happened when the Dual 1.42Ghz G4s came out? They became middle of the line...nobody complained on that one.
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What are the differences between the new 1.8 DP and the old 1.8 DP? (Other than the default HD size and the 8X SuperDrive?)
They look identical to me otherwise. Am I missing something?
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Originally posted by driven:
What are the differences between the new 1.8 DP and the old 1.8 DP? (Other than the default HD size and the 8X SuperDrive?)
They look identical to me otherwise. Am I missing something?
The big differences are 4 memory slots instead of 8 and regular PCI instead of the PCI-X (I think its called that). The new model is or based off of the 1.6GHz MB. Oh and it also comes default with 256 memory which is pretty low.
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Originally posted by SouthPaW1227:
You ppl act surprised.
Remember when the Dual 1.25Ghz G4 was king? What happened when the Dual 1.42Ghz G4s came out? They became middle of the line...nobody complained on that one.
Yes, but the dual 1.25 was given firewire 800, a better powersupply, and airport extreme.
The dual 1.8 now is NOTHING like the old dual 1.8. That's comparing a vw jetta to an audi a4.
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How does the new Dual 2Ghz compare with the old Dual 2Ghz ???
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why get a new 1.8 over an old one?
1. Cost. The new G5 dual 1.8 costs less. The old G5 dual 1.8 is going for about $200 more than the new one.
2. Availability. Stocks of the old 1.8 aren't high in many places it seems.
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I think that the new 1.8GHz is a very nice deal. For me though, I will never need more then 1-2G of memory, which I can put into the new G5, and will probalby never need or utilize the new PCI slots on the upper models. If I ever do need that type of power and expansion, it won't be for another couple of years, and when that time comes, I'd be getting the top of the line anyways. This computer will easily be with me for the next 5 years.
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Originally posted by protege:
I think that the new 1.8GHz is a very nice deal. For me though, I will never need more then 1-2G of memory, which I can put into the new G5, and will probalby never need or utilize the new PCI slots on the upper models. If I ever do need that type of power and expansion, it won't be for another couple of years, and when that time comes, I'd be getting the top of the line anyways. This computer will easily be with me for the next 5 years.
thats great if you only need that. I usually use an ibook G4 800 mhz 
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The point will be moot in 2 months time when it'll be impossible to find a new old-spec dual 1.8GHz machine. This spec is for the 6-8 months after that time when there will be no other option. For now, you've got the option to buy the previous mid-range machine for a lower discounted price or the new low-end machine which has an extra processor (than the previous low-end) for $200 more.
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But the new DP 1.8 has 400mhz memory bus. Old one had 333. So it's not the same old 1.6 MOBO. I'm buying one in the next month or so with the student developer discount, which is about $400 off.
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The old one is kind of hard to find, for a cheap price.
Not only that, you can't find it BTO anymore easily...as my friend was pointing out, that means you're going to have to drop anadditional $150-$200 for the 9600 video card to replace the crappy one that comes with the older model stock 1.8 G5.
Anyhow, eagerly awaiting the arrival of my new baby in the mail.
Originally posted by chasg:
Hi All,
From reading the specs of the two machines, I really don't know why someobody would buy one of the new dual 1.8's over the old dual 1.8's (besides the 8x superdrive, which is the only obvious advance, to my eye)
Especially as the old 1.8's are now going to drop in price (as long as they're around, which won't be long)
Chas
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Now I know, and knowing is half the battle!
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