[dmurad]

The following is what I have done to my machine.
Machine B&W G3 rev 1

1. Installed new ram (512 Mb total)
2. Installed SIIG15Y Ultra ATA 133/100 Controller
3. Installed an 80 Gb Seagate Barracuda as second hard drive.
Connected to the Ultra ATA Card. Formatted HSF +
(still using original 6 Gb Quantum with OS 9.2.2)

4. Partitioned new drive for OS 10.2.2 and 9.2.2
Care was taken to make sure all 9.2.2 drivers were installed.

5. Installed 10.2.2 on Seagate drive -runs fine.

6. My original 6 Gb hard drive (All files and System folder) was
copied to the second partition on the Seagate drive using
Retrospect Express.
7. I can boot off of 9.2.2 on original 6Gb disk.
8. I can use 10.2.2 on the partition.
9. 10.2.2 uses 9.2.2 on the partition for “Classic”
10. When I select 9.2.2 on the partition and try to boot off of it,
the “Mac Happy face" comes up but nothing happens after
that. Just doesn’t want to start up. Any suggestions

[reader50]

I know you said that

Care was taken to make sure all 9.2.2 drivers were installed.

... but did you mean install drivers to the OS9 System Folder, or did you mean:



If that box was not checked, then OS9 cannot boot from or see any partitions on that HD. You would have to reformat/repartition the drive and check the box in order for OS9 to work with that HD.

[dmurad]

I am positive the box was checked to install OS 9 drivers. The second hard drive was installed for two reasons. To run OS X and as a back up when the original drive goes out on me.

[reader50]

Open Disk Utility, select the HD in question, and look at the Erase or Partition tabs. The box will be greyed out if you are booted from that drive, but it will still indicate if it is cheched or not.

[dmurad]

I would imagine that you mean Disj Untility in OS 10.

[va3uxb]

You can also tell if the OS 9 drivers were installed by looking at the Info screen within Disk Utility. Click on the Hard Drive on the left (not the partition name but the hard drive itself) then click the info icon at the top. It will state whether the OS 9 drivers were installed:
Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed : Yes

Or in System Profiler, click on ATA and then on the hard drive (not the partition), and it should say among the other information:
OS9 Drivers: Yes

Incidentally I have a similar problem, I have 2 hard drives in my G4 dual 1.25GHz, formatted as follows:
40GB drive, 1 OS X partition, no OS 9 drivers
120GB drive, 100 GB partition for files, 20GB partition for OS 9, and OS 9 drivers installed on the hard drive.

It won't let me boot into OS 9. I just get the diskette ? when rebooting. However, it does let me select that partition from the Startup Disk preference screen.

I wonder if that old problem about partition size and position somehow plays a part in this, my OS 9 partition is at the very end of the 120MB drive.

Wasn't there a problem once if the boot partition was beyond the first 8GB or was that something entirely different?

[discotronic]

Originally posted by va3uxb:
Wasn't there a problem once if the boot partition was beyond the first 8GB or was that something entirely different?

I know the beige G3 had that problem. OSX had to be installed on a partition that is 8GB or smaller.. I don't recall that being a problem with the B&W.

[dmurad]

Using disk utlitiy I checked to see if OS 9 drivers were installed - they were. I too remember reading something about partition size and where OS X and OS 9 had to be. Tried that once but still no go. I have OS X (applications, etc.) on about 50 Gb and OS 9 on about 25 Gb

[reader50]

Ok, it has 9 drivers, that eliminates the biggest problem. Next, when booted from 9 on the original 6 GB drive, does it see both partitions on the new drive? What does Disk Utility in 9, and Apple System Profiler in 9 have to say about the new drive?

Most ATA controllers have historically caused their attached drives to appear to the system as SCSI devices. If this is the case with your SIIG card, then OS9 on the new drive would need SCSI drivers - even though the drive is physically an ATA drive.

[dmurad]

Profile sees both partitions on the second drive. The second drive shows up as SCSI. Suggestions as to where I find these drives ?

Thanks so much for your time.

[reader50]

Try SIIG's website, see if they have special drivers for 9 as well as any later firmware versions for the card itself. You might also check the card's manual in case it calls out any tips for use with OS9.

Further suggestion, if the Happy Mac shows up, then the OS9 system did begin to load from the new hard drive, but it is tripping up somewhere. Try booting with shift held down to boot without extensions. Alternatively, hold down space to boot into the Extensions Manager and select Mac OS 9.2.2 Base as the extension set, then let the bootup continue.

[dmurad]

All suggestions were tried - still no success. Firmware downloaded and installed, holding shift key doesn't even get to the point to turn off extensions - I am still left with a "Happy Mac Face"

As you suggested it is getting hung up somewhere - but haven't been able to figure it out.

[reader50]

Sometimes odd behavior can be fixed by a PRAM reset. I doubt this is one of those times, but you can try it easily. Assuming the PRAM reset does not fix the issue...

Try wiping the OS9 partition on the new HD and doing a clean OS9 install on it. Apply updates as needed to get it to 9.2.2, then add any drivers that SIIG supplies for OS9 compatibility. See if you can boot into the new install.

If all works, then it was some SCSI driver that wasn't present in your old System Folder - or was disabled. You can copy your other files and folders across afterwards.

If it still fails to boot, then it is time to contact SIIG customer support. If they support booting from OS 9 and a clean OS install does not boot, then they need to speak up.

[va3uxb]

A fresh install of OS 9.2 solved my problem. The only thing I can think of - and it doesn't make sense but who knows - is somehow in copying the partition from one drive to another, corrupted or changed something. Maybe the system folder became 'unblessed' or something. I didn't even wipe the partition, I just deleted the system folder then copied the system folder that was in the software restore DVD folder. Then I was able to boot into OS 9 without any problem.

-Stephanie